Spain: this is what happens when you close the schools

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Families leaving Madrid and heading for the coast are spreading the virus throughout the country. A week ago the province of Murcia was only getting its first case of coronavirus.

@Saz12 but you wouldn’t end up with the same number of infections. Where you have a hotspot the infection rate eventually drops because everyone (or good as) already has it. You basically have a choice between a small outbreak and a big one. Epidemic vs pandemic.

@alloutoffucks in relation to France, for the families who work in non essential jobs they are dropping an income - which is going to be seriously disastrous for many families very quickly. The staff at the schools are still active, children are being kept at home to stop them spreading the disease, apparently, but that will still be happening for the children of essential workers if childcare is being organised - and at what cost - it really would have been better if the schools had stayed open but with certain edicts about attendance, and going on holidays!

We closed yesterday here in Ireland and myself and my children will be staying put in the house for the next 2 weeks. I dont know of anyone who is travelling anywhere. Very little activity on the streets today from what I've seen/ heard.

My son is getting school work sent through their google classroom app, he won't be going out with his friends while the shutdown is in place either. Streets looked quiet to me today too

I don't think anyone was talking about closing schools in isolation, here.
Most wanted a complete shutdown, so fewer deaths and for NHS not to have to choose who lives and dies.
It's not rocket science.

That is part of why we are not closing schools. The government know that will happen and also that, in deprived areas, many teenagers will just be left to their own devices in the community and will meet in large social groups.

And by "at what cost" I mean for the special childcare for the essential workers when the country is going to be heavily financially affected by the schools closing because of the impact on all parents who normally work who cannot work. It isn't clear who will be footing the bill, private companies or government, as far as I know, and for how long. It is better than the UK, but could be a lot better.

That is part of why we are not closing schools. The government know that will happen and also that, in deprived areas, many teenagers will just be left to their own devices in the community and will meet in large social groups.

Yes I think it has to be an all or nothing lock down. No point only restricting some places if those people are going to mingle somewhere else instead.

Look the Government does not give a shit about deprived teenagers hanging around the streets. They slashed youth services. So lets not pretend they suddenly care about those teenagers. That is just rubbish.

They want everyone to still go to work so that the economy continues. That is all. That is the only reason. The rest is propoganda.

And you can keep defending a Government that is openly saying they are going to let lots of people die, and that does not understand basic scientific terms like herd immunity. But it does not change the reality.

I am taking my kids out of school from Monday. The Government does not give a shit about people like me. Boris has said people like me will die. Well I am not prepared to sit back and let the government do that.

@Michelleoftheresistance
"My bloody hamster has more oomph and initiative than this bunch."

This gave me a good chuckle, thank you. 😀 Your hamster probably has a better command of emergency situations as well too!

Frankfurt airport this morning full of US students coming in from Northern Italy to get flights back home to US while they still could.Their friends are getting flights back via UK and Ireland.You could not make it up!

That is part of why we are not closing schools. The government know that will happen and also that, in deprived areas, many teenagers will just be left to their own devices in the community and will meet in large social groups

But those teenagers would be meeting in large social groups anyway at school, so no difference there, and the majority won't, so it reduces risk of transmission!

Whatever way you look at it, reducing large groups meeting up (especially young people as they can spread out with no symptoms) like closing schools, reduces transmission.

Reducing transmission is a positive. It's not preventing transmission but better than doing nothing.

We are all very glad here in Ireland that schools and universities are closed, and top medics and scientists right around Europe have advised it. Why Britain is different I can't understand.

Britain is different because Boris wants most of us to get the virus and does not even understand what herd immunity actually means. They are also accepting that lots of people will die.

alloutoffucks I've just read that now on another thread. That's really shocking. I'm actually appalled that the leader of a country would treat citizens like that. How scary!

roar it's in Cornwall already.

It would be better if everyone stayed at their normal homes (not second homes etc).

Cornwall is already 'end of the line' when it comes to deliveries getting through etc so we don't need more people using resources like supermarkets & hospitals!

I am in ireland too and like a pp said we are not moving around the country or allowing our dc to get together so it is not an inevitable consequence of the schools closing. My teenage dd will be skyping her friends or chatting online, my younger one won't be going on playdates or anything like that. Most people here are taking social distancing pretty seriously i believe.

I'm also in Ireland and there are very strong messages going out about stopping kids socializing while the schools are closed.

A consultant in respiratory medicine at a Dublin hospital has been on the news with the following message:-

"We are currently in the delay phase of this infection. We have one opportunity to get this right. We have one opportunity to stop the spread of Covid-19 in Ireland. The schools are closed, but this is not a school holiday.

"I would recommend that we stop all interactions of children, and adults, and teenagers outside of their household contacts.

"So that means no parties, no playdates, no visits to the playground, where your children will necessarily interact with other children.

"It is very important that we realise that children are vectors of Covid-19 - in addition to adults - but they can be asymptomatic carriers and potentially pass it on to more vulnerable members of society, particularly their grandparents.

"Therefore it is my opinion that children should not be visiting their grandparents during this time.

"We can protect them, but without face-to-face contact."

I feel like part of some horrible experiment. Boris is only interested in protecting Tory party donors. So he won’t close schools etc as the economy will crash. And that will piss off his donors.

In Ireland also. Absolutely everyone I know is taking this seriously. So no coffee mornings, playdates, parties or playing together.

I would prefer our approach than the one where Mr. Johnson has resigned himself to not doing much and sure some folks will die.

This isn't a snow even we can argue our way out of or bully our way through. This is about minimising the amount of vunerable people that die.

*snow event

@overnightangel
Given that we had huge epidemic in China I was pleased that the govt too action that was decisive and appears to have been effective. Clearly there is a long way to go.
The irony of your statement is that I am not one of the privileged few: decisions were taken in China to benefit the whole society.
From reading posts on here it would seem that many would like to see more decisive action taken in the uk.

There is no way the UK would be able to manage what China did .

ShanghaiDiva did not make a fin stupid comment . It is her opinion and she is entitled to it .

I am deeply shocked at the UK's official stance on this and it makes me really, really glad not to live there.

It will be very interesting to see how Ireland fares over the coming weeks in light of the early measures taken. I have family there with school going kids who are now out of school and they are taking it very seriously and so are their friends from what they're saying.

I think the UK is fucked

I can't comment on Spain, but in France, the government is organising childcare for all essential workers.

How? Using who? Police checked, fully qualified childcare workers? And what do they usually do with their day when the schools are open?

And unless they can find so many of these magic unicorns that each family has a dedicated childminder going to their home, how is this going to be any different to sending the children to school?

@Zucker I'm in Ireland too and everything you said has been my experience too. I have a teenager and he's not going out with his friends and he totally gets why he can't as well