Gobsmacked by UK response

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Stay at home for one week if you’ve a cold (even though all evidence is that incubation is two weeks)

People over 70 don’t go on cruises.

WHAT!!!

134 new cases in a day and no action. 13 EU countries have closed all schools, another 11 partial closures but apparently no action needed in Uk.

Jesus.

Everyone here who had any links with the NHS hates Jeremy Hunt when he was actually involved. Now we trust him to know more than the scientists?

Jemery Hunt was incredibly disappointing in his response to swine flu in 2009/2010, he was like a rabbit in the headlights.

I agree with Jeremy Hunt on this. I am citing him because he is a well known figure who you would imagine would have some expertise and knowledge on issues of public health. He is not a stereotypical hysterical forum poster. At the very least, surely his dissatisfaction with the government response shows that "the science" does not unanimously back up what they are doing.

asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Campaign-to-thank-Xi-Jinping-flatly-rejected-by-Wuhan-citizens
In early March, state-run Xinhua News Agency published, with fanfare, a commentary to the effect that "the world should thank China" for its contributions to the fight against the coronavirus. It claimed that China made huge sacrifices through its lockdowns and various measures, buying time for the world to react.

It is flatly wrong. The deadly virus spread around the world precisely because Chinese tourists unknowingly carried it with them, all while the horrifying reality of the epidemic was being kept under wraps in China.
China cannot attempt a gratitude education campaign on an international audience at a time when the U.S. as well as countries in Asia, the Middle East and Europe struggle to contain the crisis, which has killed more than 4,300 people around the world.

A few provinces in China are clear of the virus. A few more are totally clear. For example, Anhui province - with a similar population and geographical size to the UK.

Around 1000 active cases at its peak
Deaths 6 (admittedly a tad under the average, Hubei excepted)
Current cases 0 (ZERO)

Schools being touted to reopen there in the next couple of week.

Praising China isn’t cool, it’s pragmatic. Our response is non existent. There’s was, since, January, exemplary given the huge challenge and logistical difficulties of a continent sized nation and dozens of cities running into the millions.

The likes of Singapore, S.Korea, Taiwan are merely implementing the lessons painstakingly learned in mainland China. None of this “let’s just let a few thousand die” bullshit.

Size of Hubei in China is around 186k square km. Size of the UK is around 242 square km. Population of each is between 59-65 million. Is the lockdown idea entirely incomparable and unreasonable to be introduced in the UK then?

*242k square km, of course

Everyone wanting schools to close - are you teachers or unemployed? Serious question
Seriously we need healthcare staff and police, prisons etc to run. We need transport for these people to get to work

People are thinking of themselves

If you don’t want your chid in school take them out

If you’re vulnerable then isolate

But when you’re ill you’ll be praying that doctor send their kids to the elderly grandparents 🤷‍♀️

@nellodee which country is which colour?

In most countries in lockdown schools remained open to look after children of emergency workers and key services workers.

Only the UK can't do it.

UK cases and deaths have now surpassed Anhui province in China. One of the poorer provinces, similar size and area as the UK, who we had a 3 months head start on. They are now clear of all active cases by the way.

It's amazing how everything is just too hard to do in the UK, or the British people won't be able to cope with it, or we have an attention span shorter than a gnat, or we can't even stay away from the fucking pub, when other countries are managing to do these things.

Yet, we are confidently told, the UK will be able to manage beautifully and the British people will endure calmly, with levels of illness/intensive care/deaths orders of magnitude more than every other country is desperately seeking to avoid.

It doesn’t the matter now, the pub part all that if a country doesn’t lock down swiftly with harsh China style measures.

Or possible learnt from SARS which we didn’t. All western countries are in the same boat.

@BlackSwan Jeremy Hunt wasn't even in the cabinet in 2009!

It makes the british look really stupid

@TooGood2BeTrue Very true, it was a Pabour government then, with Gordon Brown as PM.

@TooGood2BeTrue quite right I'm confusing him with Andy Burnham with the big wet eyes! He was totally useless.

The uk does look very stupid and how we aren't testing people unless hospitalized is barbaric

Looking at italy etc they’re not either! We are on Italy’s projection and all other countries are following same paths so maybe there all only testing serious cases

Why do we need to throw resources at the worried well? If ur unwell but otherwise managing then stay at home -we don’t need a diagnosis and to waste resources. The nhs was in bad state before hand I don’t think people realise how short staffed it is and with schools closing in near future they don’t have time or people to do this.

Just treat the symptoms

They’ll close the schools when they need to use them as temporary hospitals

Italy’s numbers are looking terrifying. If you assume that there is any significant lag between testing and death, the CFR is well above 10%.

Italy has 1,441 deaths. As of March 9th they had about 9,172 cases, so with a 5 day lag (and maybe I should be using longer) it is a CFR of over 15%.

Are we embracing that reality for the U.K.?!

Spain looks similar using a 5 day lag.

Are we really thinking 1% is the appropriate number?

@defthand posted this in another thread

medium.com/@andreasbackhausab/coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy-c4200a15a7bf

Which is an interesting look at it depends on what age range get it changes the figures

Germany on the other hand

mobile.twitter.com/Cambridge_Rach/status/1238479192494346241

has a younger population getting it so lower death rate