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Gobsmacked by UK response

746 replies

Aspoonfullofjam · 12/03/2020 17:03

Stay at home for one week if you’ve a cold (even though all evidence is that incubation is two weeks)

People over 70 don’t go on cruises.

WHAT!!!

134 new cases in a day and no action. 13 EU countries have closed all schools, another 11 partial closures but apparently no action needed in Uk.

Jesus.

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TurkeyBasterHopeItWorks · 14/03/2020 04:15

I agree with @Devlesko I feel like the government are playing Russian roulette with our lives. Boris talking about 'many people will die', I bet he won't be one of them with his access to the best healthcare available and 24/7 support.

What are they doing to support and protect our country? What are they doing to make us feel they are in control? Sweet F.A as far as I can tell.

Ess201 · 14/03/2020 04:20

I tweeted Jacob Granville @curlyjunglejake he of pandemic documentary who is working hard to create a vaccine etc what he thought of the UKs “action plan” he said this - See my other tweet on this - I think it’s a bad idea to not attempt to delay the spread. - wtaf are the UK government doing to us!!!!???!

DoubleAction · 14/03/2020 06:51

That can't be true DingDong, why would Triage have allowed that? So many stories becoming 'fact'

MrsMGE · 14/03/2020 07:31

Someone here referring to "Pandemic" on Netflix - just wanted to say, it's a very good and balanced documentary, I recommend.

In times like these, we'll all have to be creative - DH and I looked through our cupboards yesterday and we've realised we could cook a lot more food than we initially thought, and we'd be fine. Appreciate it will be more difficult and different for a period of time, but we will adapt best we can, things will be ok.

I am personally mortified with our response now, it is obvious that even Trump has been secretly preparing a pretty solid, coordinated plan and yesterday he simply pressed the button (although again, it can be argued his initial approach was cavalier and too little, too late). The fact so many organisations and individuals are already going few steps further than the official UK Govt advice is very telling. This includes devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales. In Wales, for example, all non-urgent NHS outpatient care and surgeries have been suspended and the local health minister said publicly they estimate 20-25k deaths based on scientific modelling. Consider that on a bigger scale throughout the UK. We have family members already affected by the cancellations there but everyone understands how serious things can get.

It is unreasonable to think that so many other countries' response is wrong. They all rely on science and acting jointly in a combined effort is very important too. Being British does not automatically mean being better, I'm so fed up with this inherent superiority which simply isn't justified.

Sir Patrick Vallance's comments regarding "herd immunity" - at what price to everyone? How many deaths does this mean (in comparison to had we acted sooner), what pressure on the health service affecting everyone? What if the virus mutates in such way herd immunity will not necessarily apply, will it be effectivs at all? I think there's his interpretation of the trends and numbers done from a comfy chair, and there's the reality of what this approach might mean that he should be transparent about. There has also been a lot of criticism regarding his approach and it's odd that no other country has concluded the same.

Boris and his team approach the CV from a place of privilege, just like everything else they do. But on this occasion, no one is immune and this will come back to bite him and all of us, severely.

TheYearOfTheDog · 14/03/2020 09:04

Im annoyed with uk's lack of response too as i feel it will mean that our measures in ireland are for nothing. Ireland and uk should have liaised. Im not going out all weekend. St patricks wknd. No plans to leave my house til wednsdy

Ricekrispie22 · 14/03/2020 09:22

Just seen this:

WHO questions UK response to coronavirus

World Health Organization spokeswoman Margaret Harris has questioned the UK’s approach to developing “herd immunity” against Covid-19.

Dr Harris told BBC Radio 4’s Today: “We don’t know enough about the science of this virus, it hasn’t been in our population for long enough for us to know what it does in immunological terms.

“Every virus functions differently in your body and stimulates a different immunological profile. We can talk theories, but at the moment we are really facing a situation where we have got to look at action.”

Dongdingdong · 14/03/2020 09:27

We rely on home deliveries because of disability and it’s the not knowing if we will get all our shopping that’s causing a lot of stress here.

Indeed - and yet if everyone carried on as normal we would all be able to get what we need. The stockpilers are unbelievably selfish.

That can't be true DingDong, why would Triage have allowed that? So many stories becoming 'fact'

I wasn’t the person who originally posted this (was just quoting them) but I certainly hope it isn’t true!

Leflic · 14/03/2020 09:40

I totally agree with not stockpiling - my small new build has literally no room to do so.
However how can the advice to self isolate not result in stockpiling? If you and family can’t get out it makes sense to plan for that. It’s just started before people really need to. So in effect it’s plain panic buying.

Sunshine1239 · 14/03/2020 13:21

I don’t get the high number projections of multiple thousands of deaths - it hasn’t happened in China and numbers are declining so why do they suddenly think it’ll go onto half million deaths here? When China who’s population is much bigger than ours peaked at about 3000?

GalOopNorth · 14/03/2020 13:26

Because in China they took very drastic action to contain it!

Here they have TOLD us they want 60% to catch it.

At even a 1% (which is very conservative) death rate that is nearly half a million dead.

That is why we’re all up in arms about this strategy.

alloutoffucks · 14/03/2020 13:28

Yes China would have had a massive death toll if it allowed 60% of its population to catch it. Absolutely massive.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2020 13:31

China acted quickly with harsh measures.

It wouldn’t work here.

alloutoffucks · 14/03/2020 13:32

@Leflic If you need to be able to self isolate for at least a week, more if you get iller, you need to if you can afford to, get food in. That is not panic buying, it is being prepared. Panic buying is buying food for months. I have seen people say it is taking a week to get a home delivery slot as well. So plan and prepare.

Sunshine1239 · 14/03/2020 13:33

But it makes sense to build immunity for next winter and every other winter or it’ll come with vengeance when nhs is already under pressure and more elderly and vulnerable will die? They’re right to think of the long term

Surely the young and healthy should take on the responsibility given we are able to handle it with minor effect. Ideally the elderly and vulnerable now should completely isolate and the rest go on as normal

By us being exposed we protect the vulnerable

I think that’s right tbh

alloutoffucks · 14/03/2020 13:33

@MarshaBradyo Yes we all know. It is too hard to do any of the measures in Britain that every other Government is doing.
Seriously I would be sacked if I took this approach at work.
You make it happen.

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2020 13:35

No to keep it to China numbers.

What the other governments are doing won’t stop the same ratio getting it. Just flatten the peak time we do.

Cam77 · 14/03/2020 13:35

China has in the last four weeks, under total lockdown, reduced active cases from a peak of 60,000 to, as of day, 12,000.

When they have got it down to zero, which they will, or at least more or less, they will find a way to strictly monitor work places for signs of reemergence. At least until a vaccine is available.

Visitors to China will likely need to pass a test all clear before landing, unless the country of the traveler is also all clear. At least until a vaccine is available - currently billions is being spent on this and the world’s top scientists.

That is a strategy.

The UK, meanwhile is, according to some estimates, well on its way to passing the number of active cases in China. Ponder on that. And the strategy is to take it up to 40 million with a huge loss of human life which will eclipse the total number of cases in China, not deaths, just cases, several fold . What a disgrace.

Sunshine1239 · 14/03/2020 13:35

Ours is a different strain than the China one I believe

It’s mutated

Perhaps they worry it’ll mutate again and keep coming back hence the plan of building up of immunity - there are common elements amongst the same viruses so antibiodies would help

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2020 13:35

And I’m not convinced our measures won’t flatten the peak as much, more who knows.

UYScuti · 14/03/2020 13:38

China is different from us in so many ways though, I don't think extrapolation is useful.
Primarily this is an authoritarian regime, there is NO transparency, what they tell us is just what they want us to think, their primary concerns are population control and reputation management.
Has anyone seen footage from the wet markets which led to this outbreak?
It's horrific and very disturbing, they created the conditions for the virus to cross from an animal host to a human, as such the virus would have been at it's most virulent when it was in China at the source of the outbreak

Sunshine1239 · 14/03/2020 13:38

China cases were mostly in one province - in fact the vast majority were Wuhan according to figures so perhaps they did expose 60% of the affected area

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2020 13:38

No one acted fast enough other than China that’s the point. And even they stuffed up they let it so read round the world.

What Ireland, US, Germany are doing will flatten it but contain it. And what we’re doing is attempting the same.

alloutoffucks · 14/03/2020 13:38

@Sunshine1239 Herd immunity is based on massive scientific assumptions with no proof.
No one knows how this virus will react next year. It has already mutated once.
No one knows if the virus lies dormant and can be reactivated at a later stage.
No one know how many people will be left with life limiting long term lung damage - remember 49% who survive get anything from mild pneumonia to having to be in ICU.
There is some suggestions this virus could affect male fertility. No one knows how many men/boys will be affected by this.
There is so much unknown.

So the British Government are taking a term "herd immunity" used in vaccination programmes and applying it to a virus that we simply don't know much about.
It is a massive gamble. Do you really think that is responsible?

MarshaBradyo · 14/03/2020 13:39

Let it go around the rest of the world.

alloutoffucks · 14/03/2020 13:40

@MarshaBradyo It is simply not true that we are attempting to contain the virus. Our Government wants at least 60% of the population to get it.

Every other Government is trying to stop their population getting it and dying.