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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 20

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:57

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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Skyejuly · 10/03/2020 15:58

Thank you.

CrapTVAddict · 10/03/2020 16:01

Struggling to catch up on all posts. Have the figures been released for today yet?

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 10/03/2020 16:02

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LittleBoyJuly2020 · 10/03/2020 16:02

@CrapTVAddict I think it's 373 confirmed and 6 deaths

SummerHouse · 10/03/2020 16:03

I watched a nine year old use hand sanitizer three times in ten minutes yesterday. It's such a balance between irrational fear and sensible hygiene.

LarryDuff · 10/03/2020 16:09

why hasn't the gov.uk page updated yet?

unluckyagain · 10/03/2020 16:09

Perhaps it might be better for anxiety and mental health if posters didn't peddle lies on these threads. Some of the things being said are just not true.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 10/03/2020 16:12

How about if it is true but so horrible to think about that people would rather pretend it was a lie?

SummerHouse · 10/03/2020 16:13

324 cases - government site just updated.

anonacfr · 10/03/2020 16:13

Interesting interview with an Italian health expert.
Blaming the huge death rate in Italy on lack if containment, government procrastination and people ignoring advice.
He's quite bleak about prospects for other European countries.

www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/health-expert-coronavirus-lethality-italy-higher-china-200310120514339.html?fbclid=IwAR0FysIRRT6OFy_Hno_QGYABgba252pXdpOTlpnPcmbvJDpjCJfDIFpuMGw&fbclid=IwAR0XK-7xBba63WAEhytD2qmJ05pOCaHU6IjUVh7YYfNUdhyYXjTZ2XwpHqw&fbclid=IwAR2Eyl-RjiIJP30muQeNz3CZNpnnPKrq3IyCmwveLtRnsCrd3t-BcEpaNkI

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 10/03/2020 16:15

It is out and running and will work its way round us all. We ahv a better heath capacity to deal with it than many countries

Number12 · 10/03/2020 16:19

I had a conversation with someone today about corona and they were really annoyed we were not allowed to just get on with it, catch it and well get on with it. "Its just flu". I tried to explain about needing ITC beds but they were completely bewildered by out of proportion it all was.

I've just read a headline in the daily fail that 'people aren't scared enough' .....

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 10/03/2020 16:20

Anon

Thanks for that. He makes a good case for UK moving to next phase. I think our gov is using flu research where they should listen to the people dealing with it abroad who are expert in their own ways.

VanGoghsDog · 10/03/2020 16:22

I wonder what people think of this:

I live in the Midlands but work in central London, traveling in daily by train, Monday to Friday.

My 79yo mother has COPD and lives in Suffolk.
My 82yo father also has COPD but is currently in hospital in Norfolk with lung cancer, bowel cancer, stomach cancer at stage 4, very aggressive. Yesterday he had a raised temperature. They are only giving him palliative care.

My mum can't easily get to the hospital so I've been going most weekends to take her Sat and Sun. My sister goes now and then (in the week, but not every week) and my brother goes now and then (not often, he has a new wife and a two year old). Sister lives south west, brother lives in greater London and works for TFL.

DP doesn't work and lives home counties.

Should I go and see them this weekend?

We have tickets for a comedy thing Sat so I already have to either work round that or not go. Does going to that, or not, affect my decision on seeing the parents.

Bottom line is, if I don't go, when will I next go, how can mum see dad (she can get a taxi at £90 or take two busses which don't tie up in times, she struggles with mobility, it's hard on her being alone all the time too) and this will mean I have probably already seen my dad for the last time :(

Also, I've had a cough since Boxing Day which just won't go (not CV!).

IrisAtwood · 10/03/2020 16:24

If you haven’t read it from an official source then it is best to take peoples’ claims with a pinch of salt.

Especially if they rock up with ‘OOOH! Guess what my husband/wife/brother/aunt cousin is head of St Bestingest ITU and says that anyone wearing mismatched underwear won’t be treated!!!’

MashedPotatoBrainz · 10/03/2020 16:25

I've spent the last 10 years moaning about living in the arse end of no where in Sweden. Today I'm counting my blessings. Not having any neighbours for miles is now looking pretty awesome.

Ledkr · 10/03/2020 16:27

Is it best to stay away from cinemas?

cjt110 · 10/03/2020 16:27

@MashedPotatoBrainz We shall all come to yours then lol

cjt110 · 10/03/2020 16:28

Our local shit rag are reporting a case in our council area. The area is massive. No more detail. And our council was not on the daily report today.

Cupofteaandtoilet · 10/03/2020 16:28

VanGogh - if I were in your situation (and I kind of was a couple of years ago), I would go and visit on Saturday and go to the comedy thing afterwards.

This is an interesting site: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

thisoldmancamerollinghome · 10/03/2020 16:28

Self-isolation: Is being in your garden and going out for walks ok? Can't get my head around being inside 7-14 days...

AnneKipanki · 10/03/2020 16:28

Thanks

MashedPotatoBrainz · 10/03/2020 16:29

MashedPotatoBrainz We shall all come to yours then lol

Nope, sorry, I don't have enough toilet rolls to go round.

IrisAtwood · 10/03/2020 16:30

I’ve been going out for walks, but making sure that I stay at least a metre away from any person when I get close to them.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 10/03/2020 16:31

@IrisAtwood you can make as many personal attacks on me as you like. You take can the mick and name call if it makes you feel better.
Doesn't change the underlying principals of triage.

Nobody knows how bad it will get here. May be we'll be lucky and won't end up with the three wise men principal. But if it does get bad, some people simply won't be treated. Those least likely to survive are older and also those with comorbidities.