The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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ofwarren · 10/03/2020 17:01

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-51821551
This is the one from Manchester. He definitely went to Italy.

picklemewalnuts · 10/03/2020 17:02

Here we are again. Man, this moves so fast, I pop in and out.

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 17:04

NEW: Hospital doctors on the frontline of the fight against coronavirus have raised concerns about the government's response to the outbreak

— and some Tory MPs are starting to get jittery too...

t.co/jBDscqJA9r

alloutoffucks · 10/03/2020 17:04

Also the earlier comments about people taking responsibility and not relying on Government to tell them what to do piss me off.

In times of crises people do look to official advice because they don't always know what to do.

Some of what people could do like working from home is not always possible without official advice. So DPs workplace asked people today if they would be prepared to work from home. So it looks like they may be gearing up for this. But there is very little they can do from home without being allowed access to the official system, which normally is not allowed from home. So until the workplace allows this, DP can not unilaterally decide to work from home. My workplace have said I can work from home when the Government advise it, but not before. Yes we could quit our jobs, but then how do we feed our kids?

People take responsibility in ways that are not helpful. The panic buying is people taking responsibility in the only way many people know how. But it does not help. But that is what happens if you don't tell people what to do and leave them to figure it out for themselves. Invariably they do the wrong thing.

People need clear direction from Government and policies to help them do whatever they are being advised to do.

FurForksSake · 10/03/2020 17:05

VGD - It is really tricky to know what to do. I would take temp before you set off and practice good hand hygiene and some degree of distancing (as far as is practical) but otherwise carry on.

AvocadoOwl · 10/03/2020 17:06

Looking at the number of cases compared to population, Italy looks to have gone way beyond China's worst period.

I think if you want to look at it this way it would be more prudent to compare Hubei province figures by population vs Italy rather than China as a whole. The vast majority of Chinese cases were in Hubei and the enormous nationwide population (1.4 billion!) dilutes the statistic massively. The current scale of the Italian outbreak is nowhere near Hubei levels.

Italy's population is about 60m and Hubei's population is around that mark too.

quiteathome · 10/03/2020 17:07

I missed a whole thread.

Trying to catch up.

I am now concentrating on keeping the family well as possible, I am keeping fingers crossed nobody needs gets anything like appendicitis over teh next few months.

Newjez · 10/03/2020 17:07

If Boris or trump got cv19, do you think they would tell us or try to keep it a secret. Could they keep it a secret?

Bourdic · 10/03/2020 17:07

I’ve been mostly lurking and am very grateful for theses threads. Thank you. I’ve now, after much cogitation , got a few questions.Csn anyone help ? Apologies if they’ve been answered already

Do we know how many of those positively tested caught it abroad?
What proportion of tests are carried out on people coming from abroad?
How do the number of tests we’re carrying out compare (proportionately ) with other European countries?

I’m surprised that more is not made ( out there) of the huge variation in the daily number of tests and how that impacts number of positives found. I’ve only seen it mentioned here

Rocketmam · 10/03/2020 17:07

What about if you are slightly overweight with asthma, but low blood pressure, healthy heartrate, no cholesterol etc?

Grasping at straws now after having a little panic about DH after reading Tunbridge's post! Would hate to think he'd get passed up on a bed because I made a pizza tonight instead of a salad!

cinammonbuns · 10/03/2020 17:08

I think more people on this thread need to take more responsibility for the reliability of the sources they are sharing. It is ignorant to not recognise there are many people with health anxieties on this thread.

Just because someone on social media says they are a doctor or that they have inside information does not mean they have.

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 10/03/2020 17:08

@vera99 that’s unbelievable.

cinammonbuns · 10/03/2020 17:10

@Rocketmam I think we have established that that report about asthma was fear mongering and of of course doctors and nurses will take into account many aspects of a persons health when triaging.

Considering the majority of the adult UK population is overweight then I don’t think that will be a pivotal factor in their assessment unless most people wouldn’t get treated.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 10/03/2020 17:10

If Boris or trump got cv19, do you think they would tell us or try to keep it a secret. Could they keep it a secret?

If Boris got it Cummings would take over in his absence and nobody would notice.

DonkeyKong2019 · 10/03/2020 17:10

I have a TAF meeting tomorrow about my older SEN child but now my younger chronic chest problems one has been added to the agenda because he will be going off imminently. All gone very real!

Lynatic · 10/03/2020 17:10

Really people vulnerable should listen and step away from society right now cinammonbuns

Newjez · 10/03/2020 17:11

@AvocadoOwl
But China had a whole country to help with trained staff, building hospitals, economic bailout, even just feeding the people.
It would be like the whole of Europe helping Italy get past this.
But Italy only has Italy. And it wasn't doing that well financially before this hit.
I think we are seeing a whole new ball game.

Camomila · 10/03/2020 17:11

I'm hearing both bad and reassuring news coming out of Lombardy (via watsapp to friends and relatives) I guess a lot of it depends on individual councils and hospitals.
My local council is delivering food and medicine to all older people who aren't leaving the house (eg, my nonna), the 2 big hotel/restaurants have both closed completely rather than having lunchtime openings, and they've donated some of their flood relief fund (had flood and landslides in August) to the local hospitals.
Worryingly a lady I know has had her masectomy postponed.

My relatives live in an alpine village so have gardens/the mountains, I feel super bad for all the people in flats in Milan!

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 17:11

The Italian dr is absolutely definitely not saying people with asthma aren’t being treated. He is saying that in the hospitals which are overwhelmed, people with comorbidities are not being assessed for ITU beds. They are being treated in normal wards. Asthma is not one of the major comorbidities for CV. Even in Wuhan, even at the height of the overwhelm, a majority of over 80s with comorbidities survived.

People like YoursTunbridgeWells who cannot control their own anxiety and try to spread excessive fear on the internet should be banned from posting on sites like this during a national crisis. It’s not good for her and it’s not good for anxious people reading it.

CV is going to be very very bad. There is no need to listen to people making it even worse.

yolofish · 10/03/2020 17:14

I'm beginning to think we (our family) are very lucky. We live by seaside - always windy. If we had to self-isolate we have 2 bathrooms and a downstairs loo. Our garden is huge - 1.5 acres, so the dog could still go out and we could get fresh air with no risk to anyone else. We have enough food in stock to survive although it might get interesting towards the end of a period.

I KNOW this is a fortunate position to be in.

OTH, DD2 is commuting via train/tube every day until someone (employer? govt?) tells her to work from home, and DH is immunosuppressed post chemo.

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/03/2020 17:14

The article is specific that it's assessment for ICU that is having to be triaged: not normal hospital care or medical care. He says that those patients not assessed are still tubed. It's the highest level resources to take extreme measures and use life support equipment that they are having to make decisions with, for people no longer able to breathe independently. It is horrible to read about hospitals and medics put in this position but important to remember that what they are talking about having to triage is the most extreme measures: who has the best chance of possibly regaining independent breathing.

Newjez · 10/03/2020 17:15

@Lynatic
I am quite happy with the numbers over the last two days.
I'm not planning on becoming a hermit till Easter.

yolofish · 10/03/2020 17:15

camomila I really do hope your family is ok.

AvocadoOwl · 10/03/2020 17:16

That's true @Newjez but I still don't think the figures are directly comparable.

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 10/03/2020 17:22

Very interesting quote from the doctor on the link @ofwarren posted

“I’ve been looking after coronavirus patients this week, all incredibly sick, and none had travelled or met criteria to test,” they said. “We still aren’t testing nontravellers despite cases like these.”

Bloody knew it!!!

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