Worried about coronavirus part 11

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3837712-Worried-about-coronavirus-part-10?pg=10

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Q2HZ?__twitter_impression=true
Italy is looking a creating another red zone

Thanks for the new thread.

I just clocked the fact that UK, Europe, have higher % of population who are age 60+, compared to China & far east. Maybe lower smoker rate, maybe better managed chronic conditions. But still. Bother.

Africa & middle East will benefit from their very young populations.

So it has been confirmed that someone in Spain died of coronavirus on the 13th Feb BEFORE any confirmed cases

Thank you for the new thread.

Sad news from Spain, especially given the low number of critical cases there.

Lurker on all the previous threads... I've got my supplies in and am stunned at the lack of genuine concern by my nearest and dearest. My in laws (mid 80s) asked me today where they could buy masks from as they have 4 theatre visits coming up. My mum was stunned when I suggested she make a plan and think carefully about not attending weekly church, and if she does go then not to be hugging people or shaking hands at the sign of peace.
Does anyone know where the diagnosed person is in Hampshire?

Thanks

That is interesting re the shift

Iirc France and other places have issued statement on travel. I wonder why the difference.

@DonkeyKong2019 I've just seen that on the Guardian feed too.

That's pretty concerning, suggesting there are undetected cases in Spain too. It's really awful someone could get to the stage of dying without the disease being detected.

@SansaSnark I think it effectively confirms that the horse has well and truly bolted on the idea of containment and it has in fact been circulating a while.

Can someone link to the 3.4% death rate. I had understood WHO thought it was coming down towards 2% due to undiagnosed cases.
However I believe the current rate is 6% based on known outcomes. That’s 1 in every 16 with it have died to date.

NEW: U.S. death toll from coronavirus rises to 8 after another nursing home resident who died on February 26 was found to have been infected t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Reposting what @Redtoothbrush posted on the previous thread as I thought it was interesting and important:

The big change today is that the government are officially saying they are no longer trying to stop the disease in this country as they no longer believe that to be possible.

Everyone on this thread needs to understand this fundamental shift in policy.

The situation is now that the government want some of us to catch covid-19 to get the ball rolling on this, so that we can peak in May as that fits with planning and doesn't prolong things even further.

This means that there is no point in stopping travel abroad. It would damage the economy and if most cases are imported atm, then that's not a good thing either.

In some ways testing at this stage is now about understanding the spread of the disease. The point in contact tracing becomes not about stopping numbers but about knowing where the hot spots are so they can manage the spread of the disease rather than stop it in its tracks.

Any school closures will be localised and will be rolling from place to place. One place will get a certain number of infections and will be shut down for a while to slow things down. The idea being that the whole country does not shut down at the same time. (Also means you can draft in health care staff from other areas more easily too).

So the number of cases we get moves from being about individuals to cold hard numbers.

UAE have announced they're closing all schools for 4 weeks from Sunday.

I made a thread earlier to try and keep Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's plight in people's awareness. I can help feeling this could be decisive for her - leading to her release or (God forbid) further decline.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3838092-Nazanin-Zaghari-Ratcliffe-thread-of-awareness

@redtoothbrush is your last post on previous thread hypothesis? Otherwise how do you know that for certain???

I could use some advice please. My sister lives with us and works in a shop so directly with the public. But my DH has pretty bad asthma and I'm worried about him catching this. We were ok with my sister living with us rent free because she's had mental health difficulties and didn't earn much money, but now given the coronavirus I'm wondering how

Today's new deaths in Washington state:

• A female in her 80s, resident of LifeCare, never hospitalized, died at her family home on Feb. 26
• A male in his 50s, resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center and died on Feb. 26

Oops posted too soon again... Wondering how much additional risk my sister is bringing to the household and whether it's time to help her get her own place (this would involve financial help as well as emotional support). Neither DH or I work with the public and could mostly work from home if need be. I feel like I have to choose between my husband and my sister ☹️.

@NotJustaCigar
Does she work on a till?
She needs to be using hand gel between customers and to be going and actually washing her hands as often as she can.

@DonkeyKong2019 I agree- 3 weeks ago the situation in Italy hadn't really kicked off yet, and most cases in Europe were believed to be coming directly from the far east. I think, assuming this is correct (and also assuming the Spanish person hadn't actually just flown back from Wuhan), it is a game changer- certainly for continental Europe.

@YoursTunbridgeWells I think all the death rates currently being released are based on various models- WHO did definitely say the death rate was coming down in China, but perhaps what is happening in Italy is causing some people to revise their predictions back up. I've seen various models reported in the press ranging from

The way the UK government and professionals are managing it I think is encouraging.

They are not taking extreme measure yet - what good would that do? Do we want all industry and schools shut for 6 months?

You may think that other countries may be better prepared but more and more I think they are not.

resident of LifeCare, never hospitalized, died at her family home

Is the LifeCare place not a care home for those with very advanced nursing needs?

I wonder is it likely she was brought home out of preference to die at home once they realised she would not recover - had they realised it was covid19 then?

@NotJustACigar Your sister, you, DH and anyone else really just need to follow NHS guidelines. You won't need to kick your sister out. I have asthma and work with the public, I have my own hand sanitiser. However we've been sent emails about following basic hygiene.

@NotJustACigar
You say you 'could' work from home. Which implies you aren't at the moment. Your sister brings no more risk than you if you are leaving your house.

@MarshaBradyo I also find it rather interesting the authorities trying to kill my child