Worried about coronavirus part 11

[GPwife2411]

Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3837712-Worried-about-coronavirus-part-10?pg=10

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

Unless there are cast iron guarantees of no sanctions people wo are affected will attend JCs coughing and spluttering and full of resentment. Not good.

Nellodee maybe gov Saif to themselves, we can't wait wrestle people to the ground like China, we have human rights, we can't seal people into the flats, we don't have a society were people casually ignore dead bodies..

In other words, how can we compare China and UK.

The thing is, the way governments deal with this crisis is nothing but political. We tell ourselves that they are taking the advice of the best experts, but every country has it's experts, and yet every country makes different decisions. Why? Politics. To think any nation reacts in a purely evidence based manner is naive.

Is it true that people who are asymptomatic do not pass on the virus ?

If you think we can not lock people down, and then not have to deal with dead bodies, you are lying to yourself somewhere along the line.

evolvepolitics is a blog run by amateurs. They have no experience of journalism. Here's what it says about the founder. It can't be taken as an objective source.

"Tom is a self-avowed Democratic Socialist, and is currently theorising policies relating to the radical democratisation and public shareholding of essential life/work services (such as water, housing, and all public transport), the benefits and practicability of radical direct democracy in a truly informed society, and how public democratic ownership/shareholding of essential life/work services can work in conjunction with the existence of private competitors to ensure equal satisfaction of humanities’ two essential traits: compassion and aspiration."

NEW: North Carolina reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

www.thelancet.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S014067362030547X.pdf

Nice paper about mitigating the effects of home confinement / school closure on children. Let's hope it doesn't come to that in the UK but it is good that we can learn from China's experience on this and consider ways to make it better for them.

I do think that people are looking at what China has achieved for one region, and viewing it as achievable for the whole of the UK. Even excluding cultural differences, China were/are able to sustain their lockdown because other parts of the country are still running and they are able to bring in medics from other areas.

I think some of the government strategies are wrong- and I think travel decisions may be influenced by EU negotiations and other factors as well as what's best for health, and this is totally wrong.

However, they have said they would consider regional/individual city lockdowns. I think we have to acknowledge the extreme difficulty (impossibility?) of locking down the whole country!

@GPwife2411 oh i dont disagree with everything they wrote but like a pp has stated, the subtle hint of bias against the government to twist the words into saying the government wants people to get infected is just absurd.

Watch Dr Tederos on today's conference if you don't believe me. He specifically says that flu is highly infectious before symptoms and that data shows that this doesn't appear to be the case.

@frumpety no it's not true, although it's possible/probable you're more likely to transmit the virus when you are symptomatic.

they do want us infected so they can play catch up

Once this is over - and it will be at some point - it will be very binary. We will all be able to see which actions worked, which didn’t, which countries took the best advice & acted in the interests of their people - and which didn’t...I wonder how history will judge the current government’s response?

• Letter not paper!

@AlternativePerspective at 19:53 - not to derail thread but daily average death rate from TB is not 49,000. It's 4,100 (in 2018). 1.5 million per year of which about 25% co-infected with HIV/AIDS. (Source: who.int)

Statement from North Carolina Governor Cooper on the state's first case of coronavirus. The patient had recently visited the long-term care facility at the center of the Washington outbreak. t.co/qMXUmjpw7Z

SansaSnark, I think you are completely right. Wuhan is the size of the UK in itself, and it had the advantage? Wrong word maybe... of not being surrounded externally by a world also being ravaged by the same virus. I wonder if there will be a second wave in China, when the external contagion becomes more of a factor than the internal spread, as we are currently, but magnified.

It would be incredibly interesting maths, if we didn't have to experience the effects first hand.

Contrary to a lot of people on here, I actually found @RedToothBrush 's post reassuring rather than worrying as it suggested the government had some kind of strategy/plan- so far I've just been viewing a lot of decisions e.g. re travel as incompetence!

My own fear is that the government just don't have a clue what they are doing, and Boris is being indecisive (he has always struck me as someone who's not willing to make really hard decisions) and doesn't want to take action that might be viewed as unpopular. Red's post at least suggested some kind of logical thought out strategy.

Also a really clear paper on contact tracing and its feasibility for containment. Summary here:

www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30074-7/fulltext

@UnamusingShift have a word with yourself please!

@ofwarren I saw your question on the last thread about whether the NHS has ever declared a national level 4 alert before.

I am ex-senior NHS and I cannot remember a time when a national system wide alert has been declared, typically system pressures are measured at a local or trust level.

I am unsure as to whether this particular level 4 that has been declared is based on the same criteria at which an individual trust would declare a level 4, i.e. when demand outstrips capacity and the flow of patients from ambulance transfer right through to discharge is severely compromised.

I don’t worry about me but my mum would almost certainly die if she got this at the age of 75 and with COPD. Saying that 75 ain’t too bad and she says she isn’t bothered anyway!