To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

[Jenasaurus]

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

NEW: Australia reports 1st death from coronavirus; patient was a 78-year-old former passenger of the Diamond Princess cruise ship t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Yeah, thanks, but I will pay attention to the WHO and the scientists rather than a random journalist.

There’s no hysteria here. There is justifiable concern over inadequate action being taken to slow the spread of an unpleasant virus so that it doesn’t completely overtake our chronically underfunded health care system.

NEW: South Korea reports 376 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 3,526 cases and 17 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

UPDATE: China's National Health Commission reports 573 new cases of coronavirus and 35 new deaths, nearly all in Hubei province t.co/eUoE2b20hL

The Chinese have a lot to answer for.
This is not going away.

They are some good people out there.

Seriously?
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51693195
These are the people at highest risk, what a stupid plan

@Snowdropdelight, I understand your thinking but remember that for many, there is no sick leave.

I do think that the govt should start restricting air travel though. Anyone coming backing from anywhere now, that happens to become an area of concern while they're away, should take the financial hit on working. I have a friend who's travelling to Singapore and then onto Australia, knowing full well that we're in pandemic territory in all but name. Fair enough Singapore has a better handle on it than most, but people on those situations should not then be expecting help with repatriation should the need arise. Insurers should also be stepping up. There is a significant element of personal responsibility that needs to be taken (even moreso given that Boris is so slow to take any).

Ds (3) had been better for a few days but his 39 fever came back with a vengence last night. And DH throat is starting to get sore again. Whatever this bloody virus is I'm starting to hate it. Hoping we can control ds fever with calpol/nutofen tgis time as our packed go/ooh is the last place we want to be right now!

Does anyone else feel a bit morbid scouring the news every morning for deaths? I know it sounds awful but I'm taking a little comfort from the fact there have been no deaths in the very low age ranges.

Yeah. Let's put old people in the highest risk setting. That and, when a teacher goes down with Covid, let's put all their exposed students in a class with all the students who haven't been exposed yet, and not worry about the overcrowding.

Yeah. My confidence levels are not high right now.

Everyone needs to digest the facts in this report. Forget the news and the leaders’ politicising/diversion.
Everything you need to know is in the World Health Organisation report.

www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Gorky remember that many people can't take that financial hit though.

People who could afford to holiday in Italy or tenerife at half term should have been asked to stay away from work for 2 weeks.

From the Governments 2011 Pandemic planning document shared above.

Business as usual
7.4 During a pandemic, the Government will encourage those who are well to carry on with their normal daily lives for as long and as far as that is possible, whilst taking basic precautions to protect themselves from infection and lessen the risk of spreading influenza to others (see Chapter 4). The UK Government does not plan to close borders, stop mass gatherings or impose controls on public transport during any pandemic.

I wonder if it will stick with this..

I would also agree that if they gave us the option to keep dc home that would help. I would happily keep them here where they could learn from home for a while. Surely that would also make the school a much safer place for teachers/the dc of parents who can't practically them home.

The UK Government does not plan to close borders, stop mass gatherings or impose controls on public transport during any pandemic.

It's ok though as this isn't a pandemic [Sarcasm]

The U.K. Government does not plan to close borders, stop mass gatherings or impose controls on public transport urging any pandemic.

More fool them! TBH - I seriously rethink a number of tickets I have bought for various sporting events over the next few months. I hope the public will be more sensible than our leaders.

I really think the U.K. need to stop international travel for a month and then reassess. Short term hit for a long term gain.

In a month the virus will just be more widespread. So then what? Basically you either stop international travel for about 6 months, or you do something far less drastic (and so less effective) like banning travel to coronavirus hotspots.

I’ve seen people on Reddit applaud the way the UK is dealing with this - do they know something I don’t!! As far as I can see the government ISN’T dealing with it at all

I've just flicked through that WHO report. China's response has been incredible. At the same time as beginning a phased return to work, monitoring the effects, they are also still working on increasing the ability to deal with future outbreaks regionally. So, they're completely aware that as they relax controls, they're going to hit a point where the data tells them they need to go back the other way, and they're monitoring it and tuning it constantly.

Wow.

And we have BoJo.

I hope the public will be more sensible than our leaders.

I suspect for a lot of people the lack of actions by the government will be a green light to ridicule those who are worried / trying to take precautions.

Thinking along the lines of, it can't be that much of a threat or else the government would have done XYZ.

It’s possible that the retired doctors and nurses would work in low risk areas (out patient clinics etc) and free up others to work with Coronavirus patients however we are relying on retired doctors and nurses being willing to come back. Most of them have retired because they are too old/ ill to work so I am not sure how many of them will be willing to come back!

Also, if it gets to the point if grouping classes together I will be removing my dc from school. I don’t need childcare which is what it will be in effect with massive class sizes. A better plan would be for those who wish to remove their children to do so leaving fewer children in school for the poorly staffed teachers to manage.

Hang on though guys. What are they supposed to do? Magic up doctors and nurses? This is an exceptional situation, you can't bring them in from elsewhere since the whole world is tackling the problem, you can't just create new doctors and nurses. All you can do is use the resource you have and like it or not the resource we have includes those who have retired. We can't sit here moaning for three weeks about how the NHS will collapse and then complain when the government tries to make sure that doesn't happen.

Its eminently sensible to try to increase the number of trained people we have IMO. Its also a fallacy to assume these people are "elderly". Senior doctors are extremely well paid and many of them don't work full time. Lots retire early (particularly a problem since the pension rules mean they are "better off reducing hours/stopping work" than carrying on.

So all we can do is to encourage these people to come back or to go back to working full time and to pull doctors from other non essential areas. At a time like this doctors who might specialise in something like skin conditions will potentially need to be redeployed.

I am not a fan of this new hard right style but I do think they're right in this situation to encourage people with the relevant skills to assist.

The thing that is pissing me off most at the mo is the "no more risk than flu" convos I keep hearing - as an asthmatic I get flu jabs like a lot of vulnerable groups,. I don't have this protection with covid - flu would be much worse without the vaccination programs.

@BiBiBirdie
I think the Chinese have made an extraordinary effort to contain this virus and many people have made huge sacrifices: from medical personnel who have gone to Hubei province to those people who are working in supermarkets to ensure there are supplies. The Chinese are also scared, some have lost family members and friends, some face financial hardship due to the closure of small businesses.
A degree of empathy is more appropriate at this time than sinophobia.