To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

[Jenasaurus]

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Gorky I do think that the govt should start restricting air travel though. Anyone coming backing from anywhere now, that happens to become an area of concern while they're away, should take the financial hit on working. I have a friend who's travelling to Singapore and then onto Australia, knowing full well that we're in pandemic territory in all but name. Fair enough Singapore has a better handle on it than most, but people on those situations should not then be expecting help with repatriation should the need arise.'

Im cabin crew - what would you suggest I do - how am I meant to pay my mortgage? Life has to continue as normal for so many people until told otherwise by our employers / the government.

Financial consequences for airline staff have already been seen in Asia:
Cathay staff have to take three weeks unpaid leave between now and June due to reduction in flights eg Cathay flights from HK to my city in China have been reduced from 14 per week to zero.

I've seen the figures for increased risk for heart disease or diabetes or hypertension or lung issues or liver disease. But can anyone tell me how that translates for someone with diabetes and hypertension and asthma and liver disease?

Anyone fancy making a new thread, and linking here??

Maddening exactly.

I make huge efforts to get all of us the flu jab as soon as we can in September /October. Especially my dc who is susceptible with viral wheeze and has been hospitalised. At various times schools have or havant been vaccinating for flu, then once they were due the schools vacc in December. I've always tried to get her covered as quickly as I can via doctors or private doctors or older child now boots etc.

Anything to do with breathing and the chest concerns me.

@UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername
I think you must already know the answer to that.
Just be as careful as you can be.

A lot of people leave nursing before retirement age, just because they get sick of the job. It’s possible some of them could be persuaded back, but really there will need to be incentives in place.

The class size rule isn’t just going to be about schools, it’s also going to be childcare ratios for under fives. I’d send my older child to a larger class but I’m not keen on my toddler being with dozens of other toddlers and limited supervision. Those rules are there for a reason, because it wouldn’t be safe.

By way of example (this is just the doctors I personally know in my social group)

Doctor 1 - senior A&E consultant - works equivalent of 3 days per week (lifestyle choice)
Doctor 2 - A&E consultant works equivalent of 4 days per week (lifestyle choice)
Doctor 3 - Surgeon - works full time but moved to management due to health issue
Doctor 4 - not sure of specialism but moved to management role
Doctor 5 Surgeon works full time
Doctor 6 cardiologist works full time
Doctor 7 anaesthetist - works equiv of 4 days (lifestyle choice)
Doctor 8 radiologist works full time
Doctor 9 radiologist works equivalent of 2 days (lifestyle)
Doctor 10 - GP works 4.5 days per week (lifestyle)
Doctor 11 - GP works 3 days per week (lifestyle
Doctor 12 - psychiatrist - works 4 days per week (lifestyle)
Doctor 13 - GP works 3 days per week (lifestyle)
Doctor 14 - urology - about to retire (54) since maxed out pension

There are more! My DC are at an independent school and most parents are medics. I fully appreciate why they work part time (although these are parents of teens not parents with childcare responsibilities). But it isn't wrong for the government to call on them to work differently in this emergency scenario.

I have heard from a family member who is a pharmacist that to pull numbers of HCP up, pharmacists step up into GP roles, GPs can then step up into spaces in hospitals and where needed.
I'm sure military medical staff will step in too when needed.

I agree with @Ciwirocks that if classes are grouped, DS will be joining us at home!

And the "no more risk than flu" [ insert eye roll here!!]

At a time like this doctors who might specialise in something like skin conditions will potentially need to be redeployed.

Which sounds great, but someone who has spent the last 30 years looking at rashes and moles is going to be about as much use as a chocolate teapot in ITU.

@Snowdropdelight, precisely, so they shouldn't be travelling.

Which sounds great, but someone who has spent the last 30 years looking at rashes and moles is going to be about as much use as a chocolate teapot in ITU.

They still have basic clinical skills and can relearn the skills. Needs must.

MATt Hancock is going to be on Sky News this morning

What Motorina said!

It's like putting a basic garage technician in the pit at F1 races.

I think they’ll probably need to ship qualified staff around the country. There are areas where newly qualified nurses struggle to get jobs and areas with nurse shortages. There will have to be incentives (or compulsion) for people to move around. And I guess nearly qualified students will be brought in to working full time to support staff.

How the fuck did we fuck up so badly. I think I’m still in shock, it feels like a Netflix series but it’s actually real life

In my non expert opinion this is the price we pay for vast population growth , consumerism and our normalising constant international travel despite the high environmental costs

That said , the Black Death came a from a Chinese ship to India!

I work for a company that send people
Overseas regularly . That what we do .
So at some stage we need to properly
Explore the technology for distance and Skype support in a way that’s as
Close to being in the room as
Possible
We live in an economy that despite climate change encourages us to buy shit we don’t need .
We live in a world that says gas guzzling flights and journey are the norm and what we deserve for working so hard

If nothing else let’s hope this virus stops that , or develops a creative way

Every single one of my colleagues transit through large international airports , and as
We know you tough things the whole way

This years has bough Brexit , Australian fires , Major UK flooding and a pandemic

Feels scary , and I have never said that before

Hasa, and what do you expect them to do with their children if schools close? I find it interesting that most posters here think everything should grind to a halt and they should be allowed to sit at home, whilst us NHS staff work flat ourselves to the bone. We are part time for a reason, calling it a lifestyle choice is really quite unfair. Also, they may officially work the days you have stated, but I can assure that will not be their reality! Most consultants should be doing regular on calls too, often for a period of 48 hours, and believe me, they do get called in!

I wonder what Matt Hancock will discuss, considering they've not had the Cobra meeting yet.

In the next few days/weeks most of us will have concerns/questions and have to make decisions related to the disease. My current query:
I’m due to have several friends over for lunch next week. One will be flying back from Tokyo the day before. Another friend lives with her 70 year old mum who had COPD.
Would it be unreasonable of me to ask the friend who has been to Tokyo not to come?
Or am I overreacting?

I did wonder about the timing of a GMC email a month or 2 ago asking if I would consider returning to work. Not until I stated I was cognitively impaired did the survey process allow me to exit it! Also immunocompromised, but it didn’t check that! I thought at the time it was pondering doctor workforce shortages because of Brexit

I have a friend who is an excellent GP who gave up work when she had kids. If I know one, there must be loads of others out there who could work again during the crisis. Plus, I know a number of other doctors who work reduced hours. If they go back to full time, it would certainly help the situation.

I would feel a lot more reassured if I had heard even a whisper about steps being taken to ensure a good supply of PPE (have I got the term right?) for frontline staff. But I haven't heard a dicky bird about it. It's alright having some stockpiled, but where is our increased production of it happening right now?

The Chinese have a lot to answer for.
This is not going away

I don't think blaming anyone is going to help at this point. A lot have suffered and died.
I think that after the situation, they will hopefully look at clamping down on wet markets. But many viruses are zoonotic so we are all responsible (those who eat meat).

@ShanghaiDiva I think the Chinese have made an extraordinary effort to contain this virus and many people have made huge sacrifices: from medical personnel who have gone to Hubei province to those people who are working in supermarkets to ensure there are supplies. The Chinese are also scared, some have lost family members and friends, some face financial hardship due to the closure of small businesses.
A degree of empathy is more appropriate at this time than sinophobia.

Well said.