Ireland - wearing black armbands for a game near October 7th?

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So the Irish football team thought it would be some sort of protest to wear black armbands for their recent mat h against Israel and guess what strangely the Israeli team wore black armbands for the victims of the worst terrorist atrocity in their country. So the Irish were left wearing black armbands for victims of the Israeli Gaza conflict but I guess not the victims of October 7th? No wonder the Israeli players were pissed. Ireland then dress and threw the dummy out the pram by saying they shouldn't be playing Israel again......pretty pathetic.

You can also see how for countries like Ireland October 7th is being erased from history as when they went for their black armband protest they probably very stupidly forgot about the proximity of a day of Israeli national mourning.

Nah, i'm not really. Can you tell me why people aren't marching and waving banners in our streets about Sudan. The body count over there is higher.

Being anti Israel does not always mean being anti - Semitic . And support for Palestinians does not mean you support Hamas .

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about with out telling me…

I think it does. I mean people are generally against Russia in that war but people don't go around saying they're "anti Russia" .Russian people in the UK aren't attacked in the street like Jewish people are. If you are against Israel as a state you are an anti semite.

Israel was supposed to be a democracy. Sudan is anything but.
In many ways Israel was ‘Europe-adjacent’ structurally and politically.
So held to a higher standard maybe?
Unfair perhaps yes, but not Jew-hating is the point. The opposite really.

Feel so very helpless about Sudan.
The world is a disaster.

“Irish people support Palestinians because they’re antisemitic” is such a simplistic understanding of why many Irish people feel the way they do.

Irish people tend to recognise something familiar in struggles around occupation, power and self-determination. The Irish anti-apartheid movement in the 1980s was recognised by Nelson Mandela. Some Irish nationalists in the early 20th C saw parallels with the Jewish struggle for self-determination.

What happened on 7 October was horrific. I can't forget the young women who were raped. They must have been so afraid. How could anyone justify that?

But then you look at more than 20,000 children killed in Gaza. It's incomprehensible, and we don't even know the true figure.

Palestinian children don't matter less than Israeli children. And acknowledging what happened on 7 October doesn't mean pretending this is an equal or proportionate conflict.

Part of what peace in Northern Ireland taught us is that we live in the grey. You can hold both truths at the same time: the horror of 7 October, and the enormous suffering of Palestinians.

You may have a different view- that doesn’t mean you know more than other posters.

The world is indeed a disaster. I really need to stop watching the news. Sudan barely gets mentioned on our national news and what is happening there is the stuff of nightmares. No-one cares though 😥
Why is that?

You may have a different view- that doesn’t mean you know more than other posters.

@OpheliaWasntMad
I agree with pp though…if you were suggesting that the ‘Irish connection’ was the link between terrorist groups rather than empathy with a subjugated people ?

I’m in ROI and the Irish and British terrorists mostly acting in NI have been viewed extremely negatively as long as I remember (I grew up 70s and 80s). Even though people recognised that Catholics in NI were treated as second class citizens and supported them and their struggle for civil rights, the violence was not supported. The provisional IRA had small pockets of support in ROI but were broadly hated (as well as being illegal obviously).
So I’m not sure what you’re implying. That ROI generally supports the IRA and Hamas? Because you couldn’t be more wrong about that.

Another disgusting anti-Irish thread

I think the street art in Belfast is an example of what I mean.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205095353

The pp said the Irish support for Palestine was because the Irish “know what it’s like to be oppressed and starved and victims of a genocide.”
The famine was a long time ago. The IRA had close links to the PLO- ( as seen in some of the street art in Belfast ) In my opinion that is a much more recent connection between Ireland and Palestine than the Irish famine ( as referenced by the PP)

I agree.

I Should add that I know most Irish condemn the iRA and have no time for their thuggery.
My point was that the sectarian divisions in the north spilled over into support for Gaza ( Republicans) and support for Israel ( Loyalist) and I think that support from the days of the republican identification with Palestine is a bigger factor than the famine

But I’m not denying there were links between the terrorist organisations. I know that there were.

I’m wondering why you think those links are the reason people in ROI support Palestine, when most hate the provisional IRA and what they’ve done. Your reasoning doesn’t make sense to me.

I think there it’s possible to be republican
and still deplore the IRA violence.
I think those people who are Republican often feel an affinity with Palestine .
I don’t think it’s to do with the famine .
i probably didn’t express myself properly

Looking back at my original post - I definitely didn’t express myself well. I referred only to links between terrorists. But there is also a non violent strain of Republicanism that identifies with Palestine.

Republican more or less codes for terrorist sympathiser where I am so I don’t agree.

Ok - fair enough.

You might be thinking of nationalist?
But really that’s a term used mainly in NI rather than ROI.
This match was played by ROI.
It’s not an all island team.

@Therattt No not really . Orthodox Jews do not recognize the state of Israel as being the true home of Jews yet . No Israel with the Messiah - they are still waiting .

Your comment that the' famine' was so long ago is insulting and shows a lack of understanding. The effects and the repercussions of the 'famine' are still evident in Ireland to this day. The population of the country has still not reached pre 'famine' levels. The brutality suffered by the people is still evident, with abandoned villages, mass graveyards that bodies were thrown into scattered around the country, the roads that lead nowhere and much more.
It is why, today, the Irish still remember and empathise with the Palestinian people. The suffereing of the Irish people from an oppressor is still alive and will not be forgotten. Every time songs such as the Fields of Athenry, Ellis Island, Skibereen and many more are sung people are reminded, every time Seamus Heaney's poem "At a Potato Digging' is read or mentioned people are reminded, every drive through the countryside people are reminded when they look at the stone walls. It is imbedded in the culture of Ireland and it is why so many Irish people support the people of Palestine. The lessons of the 'famine' or an Gorta Mór live on.

Christy Moore's song On a Single Day
https://www.google.com/search?q=christy+moore+on+a+singe+day&oq=christy+moore+on+a+singe+day&gslcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCAgCEAAYFhgeMgcIAxAAGO8FMgcIBBAAGO8F0gEINjU4OGowajeoAgiwAgHxBS2GAlzW3TOC&sourceid=chrome&source=chrome.ob&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9c6f43bc,vid:qWdqcVX4rgs,st:0

Just to add - my own family are Irish in both sides. My heritage is 💯 Irish. I have an Irish passport and visit all the time. I’m just as much a “victim” of the famine as you. And I know all the songs and I’ve seen the deserted villages.
Ive also seen a very modern and forward looking Ireland . I prefer that

You’re right the term Republican is very loaded.
I know most Irish people don’t support violence in any way.
I do think the experience in the North is a big factor though.

That’s a horrible comment @OpheliaWasntMad. I’m surprised as you’re usually quite balanced in what you say.

It really is a problem when people go to the trouble of telling you why they feel sympathy for a subjugated people, and then you seem to reject that explanation and ascribe motive to terrorist links instead (as you did upthread).

The famine seems like a long time ago in one sense, but then I remember my Grandad grew up among people who lived through it and it doesn’t seem distant. His sons are still alive too…it’s not as many ‘degrees of separation’ as you think.

You obviously have Irish heritage and you visit a lot, but the fact that you don’t live here is sometimes glaringly obvious. Some of your comments have shown a real lack of understanding.