US - Iran Peace agreement Part 3

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The point you made, was suggesting posters were cheering on the war. Asked for evidence and you go around in circles but provide no evidence 🙄nevermind I realise you have no evidence, just another made up generalisation.

Trump claims US and Iran have reached deal on Strait of Hormuz ahead of further talks.

He also claims that an agreement to denuclearise the country is within reach, though Iran has yet to respond to his comments.

He said that Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and Iran had asked him to call off military strikes due to take place this weekend.

“When the allies ask to call it off, you’ve got to sort of say, well let’s see” he told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday.

“The reason they asked is they think there’s a deal, there’s a deal on Hormuz and there will be a deal on the nuclear - or you might call it the denuclearisation of Iran”

Trump said further talks will take place on Monday afternoon.

Source: Sky News.

Iran’s foreign minister Abbas Araghchi has said negotiations between his country and Oman over the SoH are in their final stages, according to the state news agency IRNA.

Under the reported agreement, put together by Qatar and the US, ships will enter the Persian Gulf on the Iranian controlled side of the Strait and exit via the Omani side, reports said.

Oman has agreed to the deal but sought assurances the agreement would be respected by Iran’s hardline IRGC which the Qataris are attempting to secure, according to reports.

Iranian president says MOU will remain 'center of gravity'

On Sunday, before President Trump announced negotiations would take place on Monday, Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said the June memorandum of understanding would be the focal point of Iran’s foreign policy.

“I believe this memorandum will be the center of gravity of our foreign relations in the future,” Pezeshkian wrote on X on Sunday, according to a translation. “We must strive to compel the enemy to remain committed to what it has signed. The security of the country, the region, and our allies will be enhanced by this memorandum.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-war-live-trump-hormuz-oil-peace-talks-b3026182.html#post-2401503

No.
This was the point I made to you. See below. Twigs then got involved and started obsessing talking about something different.
Did you understand the point I made in response to your comment?

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 11:47
So you think it is a grand plan to escalate this war further in an already unstable region and further risk WW3? Some people seem to think that all these things are happening in isolation and can't seem to think ahead to the potential fall out.
It reminds me of the start of the war when there were lots of posters on here cheering the US and Israel in attacking Iran and saying that they supported Iranian women.
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Ihatetomatoes · 01/08/2026 10:07
Need a strong alliance. About time The Houthis were dealt with by other nations.

But on your other point, I have just done a quick search and these are your own posts from Feb 26. Reads bottom to top. You sound v supportive of the war. It's suprising that you can't seem to recall writing these things.

Ihatetomatoes · 28/02/2026 10:44
Indeed. I feel for them and hope this leads to the wall of the regime. An Iran that puts it's people first will be good for Iran. Since they are supporting terrorists in the wider region then ultimately good for all (apart from terrorists and their supporters of course).
EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 09:57
I was just listening to Lyse Doucet talk about people in Iran saying they have nothing left to lose, they need help. We can feel differently from the comfort of the U.K. but I feel for them over everyone else.
Ihatetomatoes · 28/02/2026 09:50
The regime really needs to go.
Have posters forgotten the thousands of mainly young people who were slaughtered on the streets of Iran by their own people. The regime is evil. Iran must not be able to have nuclear weapons.
dapsnotplimsolls · 28/02/2026 09:11
The Shah's son has now encouraged the people of Iran to rise up.
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Here are a comments from other posters, also supportive of the war to 'help' the Iranian people. Things haven't exactly worked out that way and that was entirely predictable.

Mosman2020 · 28/02/2026 11:02
The Iranian people seem delighted
Additup · 28/02/2026 08:24
Jesus, that's not a good thing to wake up to.

SpaceRaccoon · 28/02/2026 11:08
I'm overjoyed for the Iranian people, hopefully they can be rid of the vile IRGC at last.

Viviennemary · 28/02/2026 08:58
That awful regime in Iran has to be changed. But why didn't they do it when those protests happened a few weeks ago.

From the Independent:

“Iran has flatly denied that negotiators plan to meet with their US counterparts on Monday in the latest blow to Donald Trump’s hopes of an imminent end to the war.
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said that Tehran is not currently holding any talks with Washington, and is rather in discussions with Oman about securing a temporary safe route through the Strait of Hormuz.
Baghaei added that reaching an agreement with Oman is not sufficient to reopen the strait, as the situation will remain unchanged while U.S. “aggression” continues.
The comments came after the US president announced on Saturday that talks would resume today, after he said he had called off a major attack in order to give diplomacy another change.
Trump claimed on his Truth Social platform that Iran and other Middle Eastern countries had asked for time to complete a deal that would lead to "the Immediate, Complete and Total" reopening of the strait and "an end to Iran's nuclear threat" but that Tehran must "rapidly make a DEAL."
That apparent de-escalation followed days of threats of new attacks from each side. Attacks have spread across the Gulf to the Red Sea and even a Mediterranean ”

Excerpt From
“Iran-US war latest: Trump humiliated after Tehran denies his claim of new peace talks”
Alisha Rahaman Sarkar, James C. Reynolds
The Independent
https://apple.news/A-ra3uVngT-a5bbQ67nxObw
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Round and round it goes.

Hard to know who to believe. Trump doesn't always tell the truth. But also, Iran did previously deny that they were in negotiations with the US but it turned out they were - just indirectly via intermediaries.

Maybe that's the case this afternoon or maybe not. I hope talks are going ahead as I'm sure we would all like to see progress towards a deal.

Interesting how support for the Iranian people and saying I feel for them comes over to you as supporting a war. I don't support killing of innocents in any war. I want the regime to go, don't you? Should I assume therefore that you want the regime and it's bararity to stay since you make assumprtions from a couple of short posts saying the regime has to go and I feel for the Iranian people. There are a lot of posters who feel for the Iranian people who might also feel the regime should go. Obviously not you then.

The old leader has gone and his son may be in charge (who knows since no one has seen him) perhaps you could support him instead, they can continue to slaughter any protesters and disenters with your support (see how silly that sounds - equally silly to your claims).

I'm wondering if you are posting in good faith or just for an argument or point score? Interesting, I post in good faith and really do want better for the Iranian people. Will you now report this post so that it is deleted? This is not a personal attack it is attempting to show how silly supporting the people and feeling for the people and the regime should go doesn't mean supporting DT or a war.

From Reuters about half an hour ago:

“U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday said Iran faced "decapitation" if it did not agree a pact to end the conflict between the two nations, saying Tehran had one last chance to strike a deal.
"I think we're going to maybe get something, but I want to give them every last chance before decapitation," he said, reiterating a threat to launch a major attack on Iran.
Earlier on Monday, after Iran said there were no talks under way, Trump slammed what he called Iran's "unbelievably duplicitous" leadership.
Trump, asked about the status of the negotiations, told reporters "they are going on right now," adding that the two sides were speaking at the request of Iran, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar among others.
"This is a last chance for them to sign a good document," he said, referring to Iran.”

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“Trump says Iran faces 'decapitation' if it doesn't strike deal”
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Interesting one from CNN.

It was reported ages ago that the US had run out of targets.

Exclusive: US military asks troops for ‘creative and unconventional’ ideas to punish Iran | CNN Politics

This is the third consecutive day of reports of a tanker being struck/coming under attack in the SoH. During the period when Iran denies Trump's boast that they're close to agreeing a deal.

It could be Iran's way of emphasising they still have control over the Strait ( 77% decline in traffic) and hence their demands in any negotiations are to be taken seriously. I believe that if Trump refrained from his threats, talks would go more smoothly. But I guess he can't help his nature.

A cargo vessel reported being struck by an unknown projectile about 20 nautical miles northeast of Al Khasab, Oman, near the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz, the United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) said late Monday.
UKMTO issued Warning 104-26, classifying the incident as an attack. The report, sourced to military authorities and dated August 3 with a report time of 2200 UTC (2am on Tuesday), stated that the vessel broadcast on VHF Channel 16 that it had been hit.
...
The warning provided no further details on the vessel’s identity, flag, the extent of any damage, whether there were casualties, or the type or origin of the projectile.
No group immediately claimed responsibility.
The incident is the latest in a series of reported security events involving commercial vessels in waters near Oman’s Musandam Peninsula at the Strait of Hormuz, a critical chokepoint through which roughly one-fifth of global oil consumption typically passes.

(Gulf News)

Replying to @trumpredcard

Quote : " about 20 nautical miles northeast of Al Khasab, Oman, near the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz,"

Google earth and almost all world map sites are banned here, but using that info to try to plot where it was hit, This thumbnail has Al Khasab and Sirik Iran. Draw a line between, and a distance calculator says those places are 93 km apart. That is 50 Nm. Using that to try plot the position of that strike, I get this (attached). In the big red dot.

Info for the board.

From the ipaper:

“What was supposed to be a two-week operation has entered its sixth month, leaving Trump’s new coalition, and his Republican allies at home, increasingly frustrated – and leaving the US President looking more and more isolated.
Israel, traditionally the US’s closest ally, was part of the attack on Iran. But the relationship between Benjamin Netanyahu and Trump has soured since then, as Trump’s patience with the war he feels the Israeli Prime Minister talked him into wears thin. Israel feels hung out to dry – and is clearly unhappy with the memorandum of understanding the US President signed with Iran, which is supposed to form the basis of a longer-term peace deal.
That’s hardly the only damaged relationship for Trump in the Middle East. The Gulf states he so assiduously courted over the last year are now having to contend with huge economic damage from the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, while also facing drone and missile strikes from Iran. They are understandably angry that Trump has plunged them into a major crisis without seemingly considering the need for an exit ramp, or at least one short of Iran’s complete capitulation.”
America’s remaining allies in Europe are suffering amid spiking oil prices and other cost of living challenges brought about by the war. Even political leaders like Italy’s Giorgia Meloni – once a close Trump ally – are now in open dispute with the President.
“And he can hardly look closer to home for comfort. His Republican base are tired of yet another foreign war, and of the White House’s inaction over the cost of living crisis. His personal popularity is tanking his party’s prospects in the midterm elections to such an extent that the Democrats might even win a Senate seat in Texas – the very heartland of the Republican Party.
For Trump, who does not like to be criticised, this new pariah status must hurt. You can’t exactly be the leader of the free world if no one will follow you – or will do so only very reluctantly.
The US’s favourability ratings are in freefall right across the world, and China is the main beneficiary. A huge poll released last month of more than 40,000 people across 36 countries found that, on average, 46 per cent of people had a favourable view of China, versus just 36 per cent for the US. Just two years ago, the US beat China by 54 per cent to 33 per cent.”
“This collapse in America’s standing shows in all sorts of ways: in 2024, in the same group of nations, 47 per cent of people said they had confidence in Joe Biden to do the right thing when it comes to world affairs. Today, just 21 per cent say the same about Trump.
Over the last two years, China’s favourability rating has overtaken the US in a dozen of America’s close allies, including the UK, Canada, Australia, Spain, France and Germany. Even Argentina, which secured tens of billions of dollars of financial support from America thanks to Javier Milei, its Trump-allied President, now favours China, according to the poll.
Trump promised to restore the US’s standing in the world, get it a better deal on trade and make sure the country was respected by its allies and enemies. Less than two years into his second term he has managed to do the opposite. His war with Iran and its ongoing repercussions around the world have been the final straw for many.”
Trump’s America has lost friends and alienated people on every continent. The President has another two-and-a-half years left of his time in the Oval Office, which ends in January 2029. By then it’s fair to ask: will he have any friends left at all?

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“Trump has united the world - in pure frustration”
James Ball
The i Paper
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Good try, very close. The strike was in the area covered if you flip your red dot southward.

While Trump rants that his falling popularity at home is fake news, Iran brings up the possibility of WW3.

Iran has claimed Donald Trump could “ignite the spark of World War 3” after the US warned it was Tehran’s “last chance” to make a deal.
The US president claimed the Strait of Hormuz could be open “literally by tomorrow”, adding that the Iranian regime had “begged” for negotiations and that talks are currently ongoing.
“We will not allow a second corridor to be opened in the Strait of Hormuz, and any warship or military force that approaches it will be hit,” Mohsen Rezaei, an advisor to Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei, told Iranian television according to Israeli public broadcaster Kan.
“Trump's moves could ignite the spark of World War III," he added.
(The Independent)

This is part of an article in the Washington Post (more fake news?).

“Nowhere is the erosion of Trump’s bluster-power starker than in Iran, where the United States and Israeli initiated a bombing campaign that killed the country’s supreme leader and other top officials but left the Islamic regime intact and with a stranglehold on the Strait of Hormuz, a vital conduit for global energy supplies and other cargo.
Trump issued a cascade of ultimatums demanding that Tehran reopen the strait, notably threatening to annihilate Iranian “civilization” if it refused. The strait stayed shut. Iran did not fold, even under existential threat, and Trump quietly shifted his stated goals on regime change and on Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium.
“Between threats, then bombing, then backing off, what he’s radiating to the Iranians is that he’s desperate,” said Ronald E. Neumann, a career Foreign Service officer and U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Bahrain and Algeria under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. “As experienced bargainers, that means you don’t have to lower the price.” Neumann also put it less diplomatically: “The way Trump bargains,” he said, “I wouldn’t give him money to go to the carpet bazaar.””
“Trump’s browbeating also failed to pull European countries into his Iran campaign. He threatened Spain with a total trade embargo after it refused assistance, leaned on Britain, France and Germany to reimpose U.N. sanctions and hinted he might not honor America’s NATO obligations. But those allies refused to get more deeply involved the war — and some countries, namely Spain and Italy, have closed their bases or airspace to it.
When Trump threatened to cut off trade with Spain, said one E.U. diplomat, officials seemed more inclined to dismiss the comments as rhetorical bluster, with many having learned from experience that his outburst would fizzle if ignored. But this diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss delicate relations, conceded that Trump’s unpredictability made such calculations difficult.
“It can be tricky,” the diplomat said, citing Trump’s military operations against Iran. “He doesn’t always chicken out.””
“The pattern reaches into the Gulf, where officials have grown inured to Trump’s style of dealmaking, analysts said.
Last month, Washington and Riyadh announced an agreement on Saudi Arabia’s civilian nuclear program only for Trump to post later on Truth Social that the deal was contingent on Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords.
Saudi officials found the claim surprising and annoying given that they had already trumpeted the agreement across their own channels, said Andrew Leber, a Middle East scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Washington-based policy institute.
“At this point, they have dealt enough with Trump deals to know that such exasperating and inconsistent moves have become the norm,” Leber said.”

Excerpt From
“Trump keeps making threats. The world has stopped flinching.”
Steve Hendrix, Anthony Faiola
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/Ah3ecxivaQdWGkrVFmzTAAQ
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As discussed so often before on this thread. A long term agreement centered on denuclearisation. 🤔 Sounds not a million miles away from Obama's 2015 JCPOA.
And the latest news is that the deal with Iran could be done as early as tomorrow according to Bessent.
Ahhh, those boys, always so upbeat and hopeful!

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Washington is seeking a long-term agreement with Iran centred on denuclearisation, while efforts continue to secure the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz and ease pressure on global energy markets. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said a deal could be reached as early as Wednesday, sending oil prices lower on hopes of reduced supply risks.

While Iran only mentioned the ongoing talks with Oman on the SoH.
Baghaei said that the talks focused on designating safe inbound and outbound lanes in the strait.
(Khaleej Times)

Bessent is in a boondoggle, the Japanese currency is having major issues. The bank of Japan had to intervene last week to prop up the Japanese Yen and Bessent "helped" by selling Euros to support the Yen. It's important because Japan is one of the largest holders of US bonds and if they sell, America is in Major trouble.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-treasury-secretary-bessent-will-do-whatever-it-takes-support-japan-2026-08-04/

Also the AI bubble looks like it's beginning to deflate in South Korea:

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-did-south-korean-stocks-just

Drafts of potential US-Iran agreement are ‘being circulated,’ Qatar says

• War talks: Efforts to resolve the US-Iran conflict are “in very progressive stages,” Qatar’s Foreign Ministry said, adding that drafts of a potential agreement are “being circulated” but that there are no direct talks between the two sides.

• Strait of Hormuz: The Trump administration is signaling optimism on a deal for the crucial waterway, with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying there has been progress “but not finality” on an agreement and US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent floating a potential consensus by “today or tomorrow.” Shipping analysts are less upbeat. Meanwhile, a cargo vessel is reported to have lost power after earlier being struck by an unknown projectile in the strait.

• Iran-Oman negotiations: Iran’s goal in its talks with Oman “is to set temporary arrangements” — lasting up to three months — where Tehran can control a route through the strait, an official says.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/04/world/live-news/iran-war-trump

The South Korean article was a fascinating read and the comments even more so. Thank you.

the "Grand Bargain" underlying the postwar dollar system, wherein the U.S. protects global sea lanes in exchange for global trade running through New York. Jeff explains why a failure to reopen the Strait of Hormuz could unravel this arrangement, bringing forward consequences that would land hardest on middle-class Americans' access to credit and consumption.

I've saved the YT link to watch later, but it adds another layer to understanding the Iran war and importance of the Strait, and why Trump needs to find a way to make a lasting peace deal asap.

This was in the Washington Post a couple of hours ago:

“In recent days, regional Arab powers* — including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar — have been in touch with Trump as they try to facilitate an end to the conflict, which is damaging their economies. Iran has also been reaching out to many of those same leaders.
In Qatar on Tuesday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Majed al-Ansari told reporters that “efforts are still ongoing with all parties” on what he called “a short-term resolution that would help us reignite the talks and go back to the mediation efforts in its totality.”
U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Iran is unlikely to change its own negotiating stance or be defeated in the near term.”
“According to Tehran, there have been no direct negotiations with the U.S. since April, although both sides concede that messages have been passed through regional mediators.
Last week, Oman sent Tehran a proposal for reopening the Strait of Hormuz that would divide maritime traffic 50-50 between routes along their opposite coastlines. Muscat also suggested a system of “voluntary” contributions from nonprofits, interested states and companies to pay for navigational aid, maintenance and environmental safeguards for the strait.
Similar to a process used by Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia, which border the Strait of Malacca, an international trade chokepoint between the Pacific and Indian oceans, the proposed system could be a face-saving way for Iran to move away from the tolls and controls that it has demanded and that Trump and other world leaders have said can never be allowed.”
“In a press briefing Monday in Tehran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baqaei said that Iran was negotiating only with Oman over ensuring the safe passage of commercial shipping through the strait and that *there were no talks with the United States.
“The strait was not closed because of disagreements between Iran and Oman,” Baqaei said. “It has faced disruption since last March due to the military aggression of the United States and the Zionist regime” in Israel.”
“In his Truth Social post Monday morning, Trump was dismissive of the Iran-Oman talks. “They ask for a meeting, some would say ‘beg,’ talks begin, with more scheduled in the immediate future,” he said of Iran, “and they say, openly and proudly, that they’re not having any discussions, that nothing is being talked about, and they’re only dealing with ‘Oman.’”
“They then go on to give their usual blather in saying, the Strait of Hormuz will be operated powerfully by them,” Trump said. But the United States has erected a “wall of steel” with its naval blockade, and “nothing gets through to Iran, unless we want it to, and nothing will get through, unless a Deal, or Total Surrender, is accomplished.””

Excerpt From
“Trump administration claims Hormuz deal is close as Iran denies negotiations”
Karen DeYoung
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/Aevt7eN_5SM-n8jA3zgR6zA
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The all important get out clause "unless we want it to" to explain away when things do get through.

"the proposed system could be a face-saving way for Iran to move away from the tolls and controls that it has demanded and that Trump and other world leaders have said can never be allowed"

This quote from the article shows how spectacularly the establishment apparatus misunderstands Iran. Speaking to Iranian friends the mood on the street is not about saving face, it's about justice for the 168 Minab Children and finishing this thing once and for all and not returning to Tit for tat war or decapitation strikes every 60 days.

It reeks of supremacy and American exceptionalism, I'm not blaming the author establishment Washington is incredibly out of touch. It's Trump that needs to save face as the American strategic petroleum reserves near empty.

How would your Iranian friends propose finishing this once and for all?

From that article. Quote "““According to Tehran, there have been no direct negotiations with the U.S. since April, although both sides concede that messages have been passed through regional mediators."

"Concede" is a strange word to use there. "Confirm" would be a better word I think. After all, I recall it was agreed (at some point) that they would us mediators.