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JadeHare · 09/07/2026 11:15

According to Trump, Iran called, and they badly want to make a deal. No where have I heard that before.

Meanwhile Iran continue to attack Bahrain and Kuwait and have threatened to extend their attacks to other countries in the gulf.

And round we go again.

JadeHare · 09/07/2026 11:44

From the ipaper:

“First, there is no meaningful US public support for a return to an active war with Iran. Polls show nearly 60 per cent of voters surveyed say the war has not been worth its cost. An even greater majority say the 14-point Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed with Iran last month was never going to make a significant difference to peace and stability in the Middle East.
Secondly, Trump’s comments in Ankara directly contradicted his own previous remarks. The President has relentlessly claimed that regime change has occurred in Iran, and only last month called the country’s new leaders “very rational people” who are “not radicalised and they’re… looking to help their country”.”
“That optimism disappeared in record time, with the President on Wednesday calling his Iranian counterparts “vicious, violent people”.
Third, if the ceasefire is indeed dead and the United States is slipping back into full-scale war, demands will grow in Congress for the White House to seek legislative authorisation for the conflict.
Trump only evaded a 60-day limit on military operations against Iran, before needing to seek congressional approval, by engaging in the dubious claim that the ceasefire has remained in effect, even during weeks of ongoing tit-for-tat hostilities.
If he truly believes the truce is now over and the MoU is being torn up, calls will mount on Capitol Hill for Trump to justify putting military lives at continued risk.”

“Trump’s latest bout of fury is a fresh demonstration that he has neither the patience nor the diplomatic mindset for the difficult negotiations that were set in motion by the MoU. He expects Iran’s leaders to behave like New York property moguls. But they are not dealmakers in the American tradition, and Trump indicated on Wednesday that he finds their conduct culturally incomprehensible.
Gesturing at Rutte, Trump said: “If I make a deal with him, he goes out and he talks [about it]. If I make a deal [with Iran], and everyone is agreed, no nuclear weapon, they go out and say to the press: ‘We never even talked about it’. There’s something wrong with them,” he fumed.
The Iranian regime, meanwhile, remains confident that it is in the driving seat, having trapped Trump between a rock and a hard place. Its power to upend the global economy by closing the strait has fuelled a determination to set the pace and agenda for negotiations with the US.”

“More broadly, Trump is on the ropes at home, still fuming over the dismal attendance at his partisan, weather-delayed Washington rally last weekend on America’s 250th anniversary. His approval ratings continue to tank, and currently stand lower than Joe Biden’s numbers at this stage of the presidential term.
Republican lawmakers are increasingly nervous about their own hides as polls suggest that control of the House, and possibly even the Senate, could fall to the Democrats later this year.
Not for the first time, Trump’s bellicose comments have put his own credibility on the line, at the very moment he is threatening his European allies with troop withdrawals and continues to berate Sir Keir Starmer for failing to offer full UK support for the Iran war.”

“On Tuesday, he said that keeping the UK out of the war was “very unpopular” and might have been part of the reason Starmer stood down as prime minister.
Of course, Trump’s claims in Ankara may simply be a fresh effort to demonstrate fox-like cunning and make Iran’s leaders fear that he’ll return to a hot war if they refuse to make the necessary concessions. But the Iranians are unlikely to believe him, and back at home Americans could quickly conclude that he has driven his own administration into a cul-de-sac from which no exit is possible.
Trump can call the Iranians every name in the book, but with each insult they will conclude that they are the ones who are winning.”

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“Humiliated Trump says Iran are 'scum'. He knows he's in trouble”
Simon Marks
The i Paper
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Iran Crisis - The i Paper

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https://inews.co.uk/topic/iran-crisis

JadeHare · 09/07/2026 12:18

Also from the ipaper:

“The memorandum of understanding was rushed through last month, partly so that it could be completed before Trump’s 80th birthday celebrations, which culminated with that UFC fight on the South Lawn of the White House.
Days before, the President flourished his Sharpie pen to add his signature to the document, in the historically ominous setting of the Palace of Versailles where the ill-fated treaty which brought the First World War to an end was hatched.”

“Just two pages long, the 14-point memorandum granted major concessions to Iran, such as sanctions relief and the release of billions of dollars in frozen assets. In return, Iran supposedly agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, which, remember, was open when the war began.
The thorniest issue, the future of Iran’s nuclear programme and what to do with its stockpile of near-weapons-grade nuclear fuel, would be left to further talks, which have not yet produced any meaningful progress.
Such was the haste to deliver a face-saving ceasefire agreement before Trump’s birthday that key details were not adequately finessed or even addressed.”

“Iran’s arsenal of ballistic missiles did not even merit a mention, even though at various points of the conflict Trump had stated their annihilation was a paramount US war aim. How much control Iran would continue to exert over the Strait of Hormuz was a grey area clouded by ambiguity. Unsurprisingly, this speedily-drafted plan was dubbed the memorandum of misunderstanding.
Even the 60-day deadline set for a more comprehensive peace deal seemed wildly optimistic. The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the multilateral nuclear deal agreed upon in 2015 by the United States, United Kingdom, Russia, France, China and Germany, had taken almost two years of painstaking talks to finalise.”

“Iran has always played the long game, while Trump is preoccupied with daily news cycles. As the President told aides at the start of his first administration, in an edict which went to the heart of his modus operandi, every day should be treated as if it were a reality show with him always ending up on top.
Trump’s impatience, and the impulsiveness it engenders, has been on full display during this on-again-off-again conflict.
It is not just their widely different view of timeframes that sets Tehran and Washington apart. Trump’s transactional approach to diplomacy, based on the carrots of financial inducements and the stick of threats of civilisational erasure, has run up against Iran’s ideological and theocratic approach to diplomacy.”

“Trump has been fighting a war of choice. The Islamic Republic has been fighting for its very survival. Repeatedly, over the course of a war now in its seventh month, Iran has been willing to absorb more military pain than the United States has been willing to suffer economic pain.
Suffice to say, oil prices spiked immediately after these renewed hostilities. Brent crude was up 6.6 per cent in after-hours trading, reaching almost $80 a barrel. Fuel and food prices will rise again.
While Trump made approximately $2.2bn during his first year back in office, according to his mandatory financial report released last week, American voters are feeling the crunch. So, too, are consumers the world over.
Still, it beggars belief that Trump was caught unawares when Iran effectively shut down the Strait of Hormuz at the start of the conflict, despite the fact Pentagon military planners had been warning for decades of precisely this eventuality.”

“In resolving this crisis, it does not help that US diplomacy has such an amateur hour feel. The State Department has been hollowed out. US technical expertise, especially on questions involving the enrichment of uranium, is thin on the ground compared to previous administrations.
Trump has entrusted the diplomatic effort to his golf partner Steve Witkoff, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Vice President JD Vance, who, from the very start, has been an opponent of the war.
The 80-year-old President’s cognitive state is also coming under heightened scrutiny. “We had 111 missiles shot by the Islamic Republic of Japan,” he said at one point in Ankara when discussing the Iran crisis.
Sitting beside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump also asked reporters if anyone had “a question for President Putin” – recalling one of Joe Biden’s famous slip-ups.”

“In a sign of the ongoing threats posed by Iran, and his inability to thwart them, the President had to use an old plane as Air Force One to fly from the Nato meeting in Turkey to Britain overnight, rather than the new Boeing 747-8 gifted to him by Qatar which has just gone into service. Trump said he wanted to use the old plane, which often he has complained about, for “old time’s sake”.
But the switch came about following concerns from the Secret Service that the new plane, which was rushed into service, does not have adequate missile defence systems.
This is not a forever war. Trump has not made the mistake of committing tens of thousands of US troops and getting bogged down in another quagmire, as with Iraq or Afghanistan. Trump has told reporters he does not foresee a return to full-scale conflict.”

“But so far, Operation Epic Fury has been a failed war for the Trump administration. It set out to deny the Tehran regime a nuclear option, and has ended up handing them a potent new weapon, the Strait of Hormuz option.
A murderous regime which looked at the start of the year that it might be toppled by a public uprising, has been handed a lifeline by its mortal enemy, the “Great Satan”.”

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“Trump has struck 'sick' Iran again. But it's his mental state that's in question”
Nick Bryant
The i Paper
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The White House pictures that show how the rest of Trump's presidency will play out

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https://inews.co.uk/news/world/white-house-pictures-show-trump-presidency-play-out-4440820

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 12:25

The image Trump posted last night was an AI enhanced version of June 2025 strikes on the Sharan oil depot

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TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 12:26

From Sky News

Bushehr nuclear plant 'hit by US projectile'

A US projectile has struck the perimeter of the Bushehr nuclear power plant, according to Iranian state media.
Several locations in the Bushehr province were hit by US strikes, the deputy governor of the province said.
Explosions were heard in the province earlier this morning (see 10:34 post).

For context: The Bushehr nuclear facility was targeted by US-Israeli strikes back in March, with the International Atomic Energy Agency warning at the timer that attacks could result in "a major radiological accident".
It is Iran's first nuclear power plant, opened in 2011 and fuelled by uranium produced in Russia.

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TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 12:28

Iran is targetting US bases in Kuwait, Bahrein, Qatar and now Jordan

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JadeHare · 09/07/2026 12:31

The UAE paid them off. Or not. Depending on which version you want to believe.

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 13:40

Netanyahu using exactly the same language Trump used at the NATO Summit: “Attacking Iran is like removing cancer from your body.

“If you don't remove the cancer, you'll die.”

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Mantanora · 09/07/2026 14:03

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 13:40

Netanyahu using exactly the same language Trump used at the NATO Summit: “Attacking Iran is like removing cancer from your body.

“If you don't remove the cancer, you'll die.”

Of course he is. He's been wanting this war for decades. Trump was the first US president stupid enough to give it to him and has now got the US so bogged down he doesn't have a Scooby how to get out of it. Bibi and the rest of the Knesset must be laughing their socks off at him.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 14:59

Huge crowds gathered in the holy city of Mashhad ahead of the burial of the Ayatollah.

The awkward thing is that the final procession and burial scheduled to take place at 8am local time on Thursday, has been pushed back eight hours.

According to the Telegraph, the delay came after two bridges in Mashhad, Khamenei’s hometown and final resting place, were hit by American strikes.

The attacks also forced the closure of the rail line between Tehran and the city.

How stupid were the IRGC to attack 3 ships even before the Ayatollah's funeral was completed. They only had to wait one more day.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:08

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 14:59

Huge crowds gathered in the holy city of Mashhad ahead of the burial of the Ayatollah.

The awkward thing is that the final procession and burial scheduled to take place at 8am local time on Thursday, has been pushed back eight hours.

According to the Telegraph, the delay came after two bridges in Mashhad, Khamenei’s hometown and final resting place, were hit by American strikes.

The attacks also forced the closure of the rail line between Tehran and the city.

How stupid were the IRGC to attack 3 ships even before the Ayatollah's funeral was completed. They only had to wait one more day.

Posters have already given information ( news, intel etc ) on why the ship attacks happened and quite obviously why it couldn’t wait

They weren’t randomly shooting at any old target

You’re on the thread Twigs, why not read the posts

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 15:10

Hitting bridges and railways, civilian structures?

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JadeHare · 09/07/2026 15:16

From Reuters:

“U.S. President Donald Trump’s struggle to extricate himself from the unpopular Iran war has hit a new roadblock with the latest exchange of attacks between the two sides, leaving him with few good options and a faltering ceasefire.
Trump declared that an interim agreement to end the conflict was "over" and ordered fresh strikes on Wednesday after Iran targeted U.S. military sites in Bahrain and Kuwait following the U.S. bombing of Iranian targets in response to attacks on tankers in the Strait of Hormuz.
More than three weeks after the signing of a “memorandum of understanding” to begin a truce between the U.S. and Iran, the flare-up has highlighted the difficulties Trump faces in forging a comprehensive peace deal and a face-saving exit from the war.
His choices are limited and mostly bad, analysts say.”

“Any heavy escalation beyond tit-for-tat strikes could risk a return to full-fledged war, even though Trump insisted on Wednesday that the latest events would end “very quickly” as global oil prices spiked around 7%.
However, backing down in the face of Iranian defiance could add to Tehran’s sense that it can assert leverage over the world’s most important oil-shipping channel, anytime it sees fit.
Trump may be hoping he can bomb Iran back to the negotiating table for talks about the fate of its nuclear program, which he set as his main war objective, but most experts see little sign that Tehran will make the kind of deep concessions he is seeking.
“Trump has put himself in a box,” said Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East negotiator for Democratic and Republican administrations. “Whether through military or diplomatic means, he doesn’t look likely to gain much from Iran.””

Trump’s pursuit of an exit plan has come as he faces pressure to permanently end a war that has killed thousands, inflicted economic pain at home and driven down his approval ratings just months ahead of November’s U.S. midterm elections.

“Most analysts are skeptical the two sides can craft a comprehensive settlement within the 60-day negotiating window laid out in the document. It kicked the hardest issues down the road to on-again-off-again discussions that have made little if any progress, and the next round of talks remains uncertain.
Iran, which has suffered heavy damage to its economy and military capabilities, also faces mounting pressure after Washington revoked a waiver allowing Tehran to sell oil internationally, undoing one of its biggest gains under the interim agreement.
Even so, its hardline rulers appear willing to withstand further blows and some analysts suggested this week’s strikes by both sides may have been aimed at staking out positions for future negotiations.”

“At the root of the latest outbreak of hostilities are differing interpretations of what the preliminary deal means for control of the strait, where Iran showed its ability during the war to choke off one-fifth of the world’s oil shipments.
Iran sees itself having a future role in managing the waterway, possibly even charging fees or tolls, while Trump and U.S. Gulf allies insist on a return to free and safe passage.
“The Iranians have judged that Trump doesn’t want to get sucked into an open-ended war, and the Gulf is desperate for normalcy,” said Jon Alterman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Washington. “Their bet is that Trump will fight for a few days (and) the Gulf Arab states will push for him to stop.””

“The looming U.S. midterms, and concerns that high gasoline prices driven by the war could turn voters against his Republican Party, are also widely seen as a pressure point for Trump.
“Haunted by former U.S. President Hoover's failed economic stewardship, Trump knows he needs to focus on the economy,” said Laura Blumenfeld, a Middle East expert at Johns Hopkins University, referring to Trump’s assertion that by continuing the war he would risk becoming like the president who governed at the start of the Great Depression”

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“Trump wants to leave the Iran war behind. That won't happen soon”
Matt Spetalnick
Reuters
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DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:16

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 15:10

Hitting bridges and railways, civilian structures?

Yes and
Affecting the distribution of goods

The Agh Tekeh Khan Bridge is located on the Agh Qala–Incheh Borun railway line, a trade and transit route considered a critical piece of strategic infrastructure for Iran. Via the Incheh Borun rail border, this line connects Iran to the rail networks of Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and ultimately Russia, serving as a primary branch of the eastern North-South Rail Corridor.

In recent years, the route has emerged as one of Iran’s most vital transit gateways, playing a significant role in moving freight between Iran, Russia, and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

The route holds immense strategic value due to its ability to reduce transit times and costs, offering an alternative corridor for trade between Asia and Europe. It has also received intense domestic focus in recent years as a key mechanism for Iran to expand its trade volume under international sanctions.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:18

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:08

Posters have already given information ( news, intel etc ) on why the ship attacks happened and quite obviously why it couldn’t wait

They weren’t randomly shooting at any old target

You’re on the thread Twigs, why not read the posts

Edited

It's ok it's obvious the IRGC didn't care about the funeral going smoothly or about the 60 day pause in fighting for diplomacy.

Attacking commercial ships in the Strait couldn't wait and neither could the US retaliation wait and neither could the Iran retaliation on the US retaliation wait and neither ... you get the picture.

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 15:19

I am sure the IRGC knew exactly what they were doing.

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Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:16

Yes and
Affecting the distribution of goods

The Agh Tekeh Khan Bridge is located on the Agh Qala–Incheh Borun railway line, a trade and transit route considered a critical piece of strategic infrastructure for Iran. Via the Incheh Borun rail border, this line connects Iran to the rail networks of Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and ultimately Russia, serving as a primary branch of the eastern North-South Rail Corridor.

In recent years, the route has emerged as one of Iran’s most vital transit gateways, playing a significant role in moving freight between Iran, Russia, and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).

The route holds immense strategic value due to its ability to reduce transit times and costs, offering an alternative corridor for trade between Asia and Europe. It has also received intense domestic focus in recent years as a key mechanism for Iran to expand its trade volume under international sanctions.

You've just given several reasons why it was targeted.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:24

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:18

It's ok it's obvious the IRGC didn't care about the funeral going smoothly or about the 60 day pause in fighting for diplomacy.

Attacking commercial ships in the Strait couldn't wait and neither could the US retaliation wait and neither could the Iran retaliation on the US retaliation wait and neither ... you get the picture.

You said this

How stupid were the IRGC to attack 3 ships even before the Ayatollah's funeral was completed. They only had to wait one more day.’

It’s stupid and dangerous to allow ships to transit that are not following correct procedure and have their transponders off.

You posted that the IRGC should wait a day ???
Should we all hang around and wait till the dead is done and then what? Act after ??
That’s pointless

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:24

TopPocketFind · 09/07/2026 15:19

I am sure the IRGC knew exactly what they were doing.

Hope it works out for them.

(not really and nor do I think it smart of them to have lost the sanctions relief they had only just negotiated). Back to square one!

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:26

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:22

You've just given several reasons why it was targeted.

several reasons why it’s civilian infrastructure transporting goods

If that’s why it was targeted as you state then that’s a war crime

JadeHare · 09/07/2026 15:27

The problems seem to be stemming from this badly worded MoU, which we didn’t need before this stupid war was started, rushed through to be signed on the almighty Donald’s birthday. More haste, less speed.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:28

JadeHare · 09/07/2026 15:27

The problems seem to be stemming from this badly worded MoU, which we didn’t need before this stupid war was started, rushed through to be signed on the almighty Donald’s birthday. More haste, less speed.

Agree
but the issue is really Trumps lack of basic comprehension skills

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:32

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:26

several reasons why it’s civilian infrastructure transporting goods

If that’s why it was targeted as you state then that’s a war crime

And attacking ships in international waters is unlawful under international law.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 15:36

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:24

You said this

How stupid were the IRGC to attack 3 ships even before the Ayatollah's funeral was completed. They only had to wait one more day.’

It’s stupid and dangerous to allow ships to transit that are not following correct procedure and have their transponders off.

You posted that the IRGC should wait a day ???
Should we all hang around and wait till the dead is done and then what? Act after ??
That’s pointless

The IRGC could have waited a day before starting to attack ships in the SoH again. Are you seriously claiming that it was a health and safety issue? They attacked the ships because it was too dangerous for them to continue ... aw ... the IRGC are so considerate, give them a health and safety badge.

RedTagAlan · 09/07/2026 15:37

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 15:08

Posters have already given information ( news, intel etc ) on why the ship attacks happened and quite obviously why it couldn’t wait

They weren’t randomly shooting at any old target

You’re on the thread Twigs, why not read the posts

Edited

Indeed. Tehran have said it has increased traffic through the waterway to 50% of pre war levels in the last 2 weeks, but it says the recent "adventures" of the US army and it's "interference in determining traffic routes.... will seriously disrupt the gradual re-opening process..."

It will also provoke a "resounding response".

That's from Sky, and-

Sky also has an analysis up, on how Iran might have misunderstood the interim peace deal with the US. The attacks may have been down to confusion of the finer points of the split between the Omani and Iranian side of the strait.

It goes on to say the three ships struck were on the Yemeni side. I suspect Sky done a typo there.

I can't get Sky on laptop to cut and paste sorry.

However, while we don't know what was said in the talks, we do have the MOU.

5. Upon the signing of this MoU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran, will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.

I read that as it will be IRAN that controls traffic. So why has the US apparently set up an alternate route, outside the scope of Art 5, and why has at least one ship made passage with it's AIS off.

I can see no misunderstanding. Leave it to Iran. It's their side of the MOU to do it.