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Ihatetomatoes · 30/07/2026 10:16

A huge rise in executions particularly for protesters. Takes a very brave person to protest in iran

BelleHathor · 30/07/2026 10:53

Remember we discussed exercising discernment earlier in the thread.

About the author of that Guardian article:

Remember newspapers, the radio and journalists have historically been used in push narratives that support political aims and to influence public opinion.

We do it, America does it (famously the CIA and operation mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird ), Russia, China, Iran, Qatar. Every country does it.

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

JadeHare · 30/07/2026 13:22

Read this in Reuters:

“As the Iran war escalates again, Gulf Arab states are looking to China - not Washington - to use its economic leverage over Iran to open up the Strait of Hormuz and Red Sea, testing how far Beijing is able and willing to pressurise Tehran.
The Gulf push for a bigger Chinese role is driven by growing frustration, Gulf sources say. The war launched with U.S.-Israeli attacks on Iran on February 28 has hurt their regional foe but also restricted their vital energy exports and, to varying degrees, put them in the firing line.
With Iran and its allies threatening the Bab el-Mandeb waterway in the Red Sea as well as Hormuz, Gulf states have sought Beijing's help, conscious that the war has exposed the limits of American power, three regional sources say.”
“China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi has held dozens of calls and meetings with counterparts seeking a new ceasefire, while special envoy Zhai Jun has held talks in Gulf Arab capitals as well as Iran. "China has maintained close communication with all parties, and has consistently worked to stop the fighting and promote peace," its foreign ministry said in response to a request for comment.
China's position as both a major buyer of oil from across the Gulf and Iran's biggest trading partner presents opportunities but also sensitivities.
"There's huge respect between the Gulf and China and they are a big trading partner, so any issue is raised in a very quiet manner," one Gulf source said.
Iran says it will maintain control over the Strait of Hormuz, noting it was attacked during negotiations over the nuclear programme the U.S. and Israel have vowed to destroy.”
Gulf governments ultimately hope that Beijing will steer Tehran toward a negotiated settlement, said the source, adding that China often moves slowly and cautiously. But they are aware that a prolonged war may also serve China's interest by piling pressure on the United States.
“China has developed close trade and investment ties with the six states in the Gulf Cooperation Council - Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates - since a Gulf-China summit in 2022. Another summit is planned this year in Riyadh but not yet confirmed.
But Beijing has refrained from publicly challenging Tehran's threats to shipping, fuelling doubts about how far China is prepared to go to secure the Gulf and its exports.
"The Chinese are trying to be more involved, they are trying to be more helpful," a second Gulf source said. "But China has turned out not to be as influential as we thought - whether that is a lack of will or a lack of capacity is debatable. What seems to happen when America enters the fray is that superpower calculations dominate over everything else."”
“Henry Tugendhat, a China specialist at the Washington Institute, told Reuters Beijing's overriding priority is preserving relationships across the region rather than risking diplomatic fallout by openly siding with either camp.
Once Washington became directly involved, Beijing's calculations extended beyond the Gulf itself to encompass its wider ties and rivalry with Washington.
"Gulf governments can buy Chinese technology, investment and drones, but what they cannot buy is Chinese leverage that operates independently of (its relations with) Washington," a source with direct knowledge of China's discussions said.
China's President Xi Jinping is expected in the United States for talks with President Donald Trump on September 24. China's foreign ministry said Xi had put forward a four-point proposal to safeguard and promote peace and stability in the Middle East and also proposed backing countries in the region to advance development, security and cooperation.”

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US strikes Iran as widening war engulfs more countries — Reuters

The U.S. carried out fresh strikes in Iran on Wednesday, the U.S. military said, further intensifying a five-month-old war that was already expanding beyond its main fronts to embroil additional countries in ‌the region.

https://apple.news/AzYpv1onWSfeU73uUFuHjjA

TopPocketFind · 30/07/2026 13:39

Trump Encounters a More Determined Iran as War Widens

The United States is again exchanging strikes with Iran, just days after the president appeared to reject plans to escalate

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/29/us/trump-iran-war-widens.html?unlocked_article_code=1.1lA.YMbR.-MgqAHcAQQ3o&smid=url-share.

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trumpredcard · 30/07/2026 18:23

BelleHathor · 30/07/2026 10:53

Remember we discussed exercising discernment earlier in the thread.

About the author of that Guardian article:

Remember newspapers, the radio and journalists have historically been used in push narratives that support political aims and to influence public opinion.

We do it, America does it (famously the CIA and operation mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird ), Russia, China, Iran, Qatar. Every country does it.

As a paid supporter of The Guardian, this is useful information, as it was not something that I considered when consuming foreign news. In my defence, it is easy to just accept that a journalist is a journalist, when the name is unfamiliar and you already trust the medium of delivery.

This vlog is a timely reminder of the extent to which we need to be vigilant, and it requires more than just checking sources.

BelleHathor · 30/07/2026 20:44

trumpredcard · 30/07/2026 18:23

As a paid supporter of The Guardian, this is useful information, as it was not something that I considered when consuming foreign news. In my defence, it is easy to just accept that a journalist is a journalist, when the name is unfamiliar and you already trust the medium of delivery.

This vlog is a timely reminder of the extent to which we need to be vigilant, and it requires more than just checking sources.

Don't worry, it's a very difficult task, as there are sources that historically a person trusts more.

The best thing to do is like you do, read & listen to many sources. Throw off the left/right wing divide and realise that every person/source has an agenda. Then take the information that is useful.

Look for emotive language and deliberate framing. I love the ex CIA analyst Larry Johnson but take everything he says with the provisio that no one is ever ex CIA 😉

Twiglets1 · 30/07/2026 22:00

Ihatetomatoes · 30/07/2026 10:16

A huge rise in executions particularly for protesters. Takes a very brave person to protest in iran

That’s awful. I see a few media outlets are reporting the same story. Desperate times indeed.

Twiglets1 · 31/07/2026 07:33

Times of Israel report that according to the Norway-based organization Iran Human Rights (IHR) group, over 424 protestors have been executed so far this year. The director of Iran Human Rights said, “Last year alone, at least 795 people were hanged on drug-related charges, with almost no international reaction and hardly any domestic or social media campaigns to save them,”

“By staging this protest, the prisoners in Ghezel Hesar are taking an extraordinary risk,” he said. “They know that the authorities can execute them at any moment, yet they have chosen to raise their voices in the hope that the international community will finally hear them and increase the political cost of these executions.”

On Tuesday, Iran announced the hanging of the two men on charges relating to the anti-government protests that peaked in January, with media reporting they were executed in a public square.

Amnesty International condemned the hangings as an “escalation,” saying it “following the arbitrary execution of at least three other protesters last week, marks a further escalation in the authorities’ use of the death penalty to quash dissent.”

According to Amnesty, Iran conducts the second most executions of any country, after China.

www.timesofisrael.com/some-iranian-prisoners-facing-execution-reportedly-sew-lips-shut-amid-hunger-strike/

TopPocketFind · 31/07/2026 10:49

BBC

Fresh Israeli air strike hits Gaza - reportspublished at 10:39
10:39

There are reports of a fresh Israeli air strike on Gaza, just hours after US President Donald Trump announced a deal has been reached to disarm Hamas that would see Israeli troops withdraw.

Reuters News Agency reports that several Palestinians have been wounded in the strike, citing Gaza medics.

While Al Jazeera has reported a strike near a mosque in the Karama area, north of Gaza City.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has told the BBC they are looking into the incident - we will provide an update as soon we hear more.

According to Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, at least 1,168 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks since a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect last October. Four Israeli soldiers have been killed in Palestinian attacks in Gaza over the same period.

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JadeHare · 31/07/2026 12:00

From the Independent:
“If what Donald Trump said over the last few months about his unplanned and ill-starred war in Iran were to be believed, it would be over by now.
Among other wonderful things, Iran would have undergone secular regime change, its nuclear capacity “obliterated” and its ambitions irrevocably renounced and subject to international inspection. The Strait of Hormuz would be free, in every sense, to international shipping, and Iran’s associates, Hamas and the Houthi rebels, would have been smashed, with the eager assistance of Israel.
So far from being a permanent destabilising regional menace, Iran would today be reborn as a reliable friend and ally of the US, recognising the state of Israel and open for lucrative business deals.
Well, Iran isn’t like that. The only claims that the US president made that have been proven accurate are that the old ayatollah is dead (but seemingly replaced by more capable militants), and that Iran’s antique conventional military, air force and navy have been eliminated.”
“The rest, as Mr Trump would never say, is failure – indeed, failure at an operationally epic scale. It is America, not Iran, that is running low on munitions. Through a combination of Israeli cynicism and his own blundering misjudgement, as well as Iranian stubbornness and ingenuity, all Mr Trump has achieved is to set in motion the kind of never-ending quagmire of a conflict that he promised the American people he would never drag them into. Maga is getting disillusioned.
In fact, the most concerning thing now is not so much that the war is intensifying – the bombing by both sides is more or less routine – but that it is now widening. For example, there has been an upsurge in Israeli settler aggression in the West Bank, apparently supported by a complacent Israeli army. The ceasefire in Gaza hasn’t stopped the killing there either, and the Trump-sponsored plan for reconstruction remains a weird pipe dream.”
“For the first time, Egypt has been attacked – an Iranian or proxy drone has hit a port on the Mediterranean coast. Saudi Arabian forces are also being dragged back into conflict with the Houthi rebels to the south in Yemen. This is because Houthi forces are attacking ships trying to pass through the Red Sea via the Bab al-Mandeb Strait, analogous to the Strait of Hormuz on the other side of the Arabian Peninsula.
The world’s oil and gas supplies are thus under renewed threat. Iranian-backed militias in Iraq are continuing to target US bases, and Iran’s surprise attack on American forces in Jordan shattered a brief lull in the fighting. Civilian infrastructure, military facilities and the energy industries of Kuwait and the UAE continue to be vulnerable – and they are now hitting back.
Not to be left out of the action, Beijing is reportedly supplying Tehran with hundreds of shoulder-held surface-to-air missiles. Ugly rumours continue to the effect that Russia is helping Iran hit US assets, though President Trump seems inexplicably relaxed about this. ”
“Any one of those developments would have provoked concern even in such a disorderly part of the world as the Middle East. But never before have the disparate religious, racial and national hatreds and rivalries broken out quite so violently, all at once. From Cyprus to Iraq and from Lebanon to Oman, every nation state, militant group and faction is getting stuck in, and with an often indiscriminate attitude to the use of military force and the rules of war.
It is difficult to discern exactly how this combustible mix will bring fresh misery and destruction – but it is surprisingly easy to see how it could be de-escalated: America must get out of its war on Iran, and force Israel out with it.”
“The terms, formal or implicit, for an end to this senseless conflagration will not amount to anything like President Trump’s various stated war aims. The Trump administration will hold no veto over who runs Iran; there will be no “unconditional surrender”; and Iran will continue to hold “nuclear dust”, ballistic missiles and lots of drones.
All the president can do – must do, for the sake of the global economy – is to declare victory (again), move his forces out, and move on to a process of longer-term diplomatic talks aimed at a more comprehensive settlement. In that endeavour, he will have the full support of Gulf, European and east Asian allies.
It will be painful for him – but American voters may well turn against him in the mid-term elections in November and, even if he cares little for his impact on the world, he might feel compelled to save his own skin. Time is running out.”

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Voices: Regime change in Iran would be welcome — The Independent

Editorial: Iran’s unremittingly harsh leadership faces one of the most serious challenges to its theocratic rule since the Islamic Republic was established in 1979. After weeks of nationwide protests, the ayatollahs’ spell could soon be broken – which...

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JadeHare · 31/07/2026 13:42

This is in the Washington Post:
“U.S. forces resumed extensive attacks on Iran this month following Iranian attacks on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz as the April ceasefire between the two countries collapsed. And if talks fail to secure progress, Trump has threatened to expand U.S. strikes to target more infrastructure. “I could take out most of their bridges in less than an hour,” Trump told Fox News in an interview this week, in which where he threatened Iranian power plants. “They know I’m going to do that if we don’t make a deal,” he said.
The targets of the resumed U.S. attacks at first appeared similar to those U.S. forces hit before the ceasefire: radar installations, launch sites, munitions stores and other military infrastructure along Iran’s coast.
Then the targets widened: The U.S. hit at least six bridges and tunnels surrounding the port city of Bandar Abbas, according to a tally kept by the Institute for the Study of War. Elsewhere in the south, strikes damaged communications lines, a rail station and a desalination plant, according to Iranian state-affiliated media reports. Other attacks hit a military complex near Tehran and a rail line in a province bordering Turkmenistan.”
“600 injured in this latest wave of attacks. Iranian officials have sought to downplay the strikes, saying they caused only temporary traffic disruptions and communications blackouts, as per local media reports.
The recent strikes mark “an expansion in the scope of the targets,” said Dana Stroul, a research director at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank, who served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for the Middle East in the Biden administration. By striking bridges and tunnels, she said, U.S. forces are targeting “the supporting infrastructure” used by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps “to move assets and capabilities around to reinforce the activity they’re doing from the coastline.”
U.S. strikes on key infrastructure, and threats to hit much more, have prompted concerns that such attacks could amount to war crimes. “International humanitarian law protects from attack objects indispensable to the survival of civilians,” Harold Hongju Koh, who served as a State Department legal adviser in the Obama administration, told The Washington Post in April, after Trump threatened to bomb “every” bridge and power plant in the country.”
The Trump administration has classified some infrastructure the U.S. has attacked as “dual use,” qualifying as military targets because they are used by the military as well as civilians. Stroul stressed that it’s unclear if the most recent infrastructure targeted in Iran reaches the “dual use” threshold.
The expanded targets are intended to send Tehran a “signal,” she said. Central Command “is signaling that we have taken this incremental step up the escalation ladder, you can’t stop us, we can keep going, and you are vulnerable.”
“Economic pain has been described by the Trump administration as a key component of the war against Iran. Operation Economic Fury was launched in April as the U.S. imposed a blockade on Iran and tightened sanctions. But economic analysts say that so far the strikes on infrastructure, particularly the attacks on manufacturing and industry, are having the larger economic impact.
The administration has emphasized the economic impact of the naval cordon and other moves over that of strikes. “While Iran’s ability to subvert the free flow of energy is being degraded by the United States Military, the regime is being squeezed economically by our naval blockade, sanctions, and other economic measures,” said a senior U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “There are many levers the president can crank harder in the weeks and months ahead, if that’s the path Iran chooses to go down.””
“Iran’s president has been warning of the long-term economic costs of the war since it began with joint U.S.-Israeli strikes in late February. This month, he described Iran’s economy as “the most important battlefield” in the conflict.
“If economic pressures lead to social dissatisfaction and that dissatisfaction expands, the immense social capital that the people have created in support of the system could be damaged,” he warned, as reported in state-backed media coverage of his remarks.
But rather than elevate voices like that of President Masoud Pezeshkian, the continued fighting has only further sidelined them, according to Sina Azodi, a lecturer at George Washington University.
“Right now, everybody is thinking in terms of survival and fighting,” he said. “I don’t say that the president is powerless, but it’s usually the case that in wartime, the military people have more say in the decisions of the country.””
“As long as the war continues, Iran’s economy is expected to further deteriorate. The International Monetary Fund predicts Iran’s economy will contract by more than 5 percent this year and says that inflation is already near 70 percent.
Hadi Kahalzadeh, an Iranian economic analyst, described the country’s economic crisis as a “cascade.” If the economy contracts by roughly 4 percent, he said that could force businesses to lay off some 4 million people in a matter of months, a move that could push more than 4 million more Iranians below the poverty line.
In the immediate term, he said strikes on infrastructure are “intensifying the humanitarian cost of the blockade” by hitting key land trade routes.
The attacks are “making it harder and more expensive to move food, medicine, fuel, and other essential goods,” he said. “The effects were already visible in inflationary expectations, further depreciation of the rial, rising prices” that he said would ultimately result in deeper poverty in Iran.”
“But rather than capitulate in the near term, Kahalzadeh argues, the Iranian system is poised to continue to adapt, just as it has done for years to evade sanctions. And Azodi of George Washington University agrees, explaining that after years of heavy international sanctions, Iran is not new to sustained economic pressure.
“The Iranian state has traditionally been able to absorb a lot of pain, and the people are also the same, their pain tolerance is pretty high,” he said.”

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Trump threatens to wipe out Iranian bridges, power plants as talks stall | Fox News Video

Trump threatens to wipe out Iranian bridges, power plants as talks stall | Fox News Video

President Donald Trump joins 'Fox & Friends' by phone to discuss late Sen. Lindsey Graham's life, potential military operations in Iran and Dr. Anthony Fauci's upcoming Senate testimony.

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TopPocketFind · 31/07/2026 14:08

The US and Israel are considering a land blockade of Iran to increase economic pressure after months of military action failed to force Tehran back to negotiations, The Telegraph reports .

That would involve persuading Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

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RedTagAlan · 31/07/2026 14:31

TopPocketFind · 31/07/2026 14:08

The US and Israel are considering a land blockade of Iran to increase economic pressure after months of military action failed to force Tehran back to negotiations, The Telegraph reports .

That would involve persuading Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

Just shy of 6000 km that. And there is the Caspian of course. Are the US going to send in some navy ships via the canal to strike russian ships ?

trumpredcard · 31/07/2026 15:39

That would involve persuading Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

For a start, Azerbaijan's economy depends heavily on their Caspian Sea drilling operations, so good luck on getting them to risk Iranian strikes on off shore installations by being part of this deal.
My call is that's not going to happen, and some of those ex-Soviet bloc countries aren't exactly anti-Russia either.
Which bright spark thinks up these 'solutions'? If I were even of a mind to go along with the US and Israel on this, I would require an iron clad indemnity to cover all losses my country sustains and the US doesn't get to haggle the bill.

RedTagAlan · 31/07/2026 16:13

trumpredcard · 31/07/2026 15:39

That would involve persuading Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

For a start, Azerbaijan's economy depends heavily on their Caspian Sea drilling operations, so good luck on getting them to risk Iranian strikes on off shore installations by being part of this deal.
My call is that's not going to happen, and some of those ex-Soviet bloc countries aren't exactly anti-Russia either.
Which bright spark thinks up these 'solutions'? If I were even of a mind to go along with the US and Israel on this, I would require an iron clad indemnity to cover all losses my country sustains and the US doesn't get to haggle the bill.

Also the issue of the non existant countries of Kurdistan and Balochistan that cover rather a lot of the border areas, and affect all of these countries I think.

When Trump was sending arms to the Kurds, I bet that thrilled the countries that contain territory that the Kurds claim.

Personally I am all for self determination and having lots of smaller states. I am a seperatist deep down. Throw in the idea of federations and I am all for it. But not all agree with me on that. And that's fair enough.

trumpredcard · 31/07/2026 17:06

I've lived in a Federation and not a fan. As is usually the case, some nations/states tend will be bigger/stronger and so inequality and diverging interests are what ultimately undermines success. Banding together for one-off trade deals when dealing with foreign markets however, can yield economies of scale.

The US set up of individual States rights/responsibilities with an overall national central government is different, provided the checks and balances are robust enough to protect the individual states from central overreach.

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 02:37

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 15:54

Language can be used to express emotion as well as fact, and I can hear the frustration in the words of the speaker.

I wonder of you can use a similar level of understanding when the IRGC expresses violent intent, without actually attacking, or is it just poor old Trump, who has just started a war which could crash the world economy and lead to WW3 who deserves Twigs special understanding? I'll leave out all his threats against other countries and the abduction of Maduro and the theft of Venezuelan oil from the Venezuelan people and the constant fraud in the stock markets and the RE's using Trump's dirty wars to feather his nest and their own.

RedTagAlan · 01/08/2026 03:11

trumpredcard · 31/07/2026 17:06

I've lived in a Federation and not a fan. As is usually the case, some nations/states tend will be bigger/stronger and so inequality and diverging interests are what ultimately undermines success. Banding together for one-off trade deals when dealing with foreign markets however, can yield economies of scale.

The US set up of individual States rights/responsibilities with an overall national central government is different, provided the checks and balances are robust enough to protect the individual states from central overreach.

As I said, not all, or even many, will agree with me.

And there is the problem of what happens if new small states are created and part of their self determination is that they want to be an ethno state or theocracy. Both are wrong from a moral view (in my opinion), and yes, it can be stipulated that new states be secular democracies, but things will happen and that will often change.

Self determination/ democracy, religion, all are mentioned in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948), but the concepts can be contradictory.

I think there needs to be a UN convention written where all the existing conventions are rolled into one, and basic standards of law and systems are written in too. Any new countries would need to sign up to that as a whole.

There are a lot of UN conventions, and it could do with a bit of work to consolidate it all I reckon.

The core international human rights treaties (un.org)

The core international human rights treaties

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/765800?v=pdf

trumpredcard · 01/08/2026 06:11

I've bookmarked your post as I definitely want to read the detail of some of the IHR treaties.

Twiglets1 · 01/08/2026 07:14

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 02:37

I wonder of you can use a similar level of understanding when the IRGC expresses violent intent, without actually attacking, or is it just poor old Trump, who has just started a war which could crash the world economy and lead to WW3 who deserves Twigs special understanding? I'll leave out all his threats against other countries and the abduction of Maduro and the theft of Venezuelan oil from the Venezuelan people and the constant fraud in the stock markets and the RE's using Trump's dirty wars to feather his nest and their own.

Whoosh … it went right over your head that I was just repeating the words spoken by Trump Red earlier …

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 07:31

Twiglets1 · 01/08/2026 07:14

Whoosh … it went right over your head that I was just repeating the words spoken by Trump Red earlier …

Hardly Twigs. I don't know exactly what @RedTagAlan said. However, it means nothing without the context and you have a habit of removing the context and quoting small phrases of what was said, removing the actual meaning and trying to mislead people. You also didn't add any quotation marks so whatever your intention may or may not have been, it was unclear that you were quoting someone. I thought you were repeatedly laughing at someone else's use of English a minute ago! In addition, you literally said this phrase as a justification for Trump's appalling language and expression of genocidal intent. As I said, context matters!

So I say again, do you use a similar degree of understanding towards the IRGC or the Houthis or Hamas who have displayed far less violence than the US? It would be hypocritical not to.

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 07:33

It looks as if the Israelis and the US have had a hand in the Moroccans storming the border in Ceuta. Sanchez dared to criticise the actions of the Israeli government and Bibi threatened him and Spain in response.

Twiglets1 · 01/08/2026 07:43

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 07:31

Hardly Twigs. I don't know exactly what @RedTagAlan said. However, it means nothing without the context and you have a habit of removing the context and quoting small phrases of what was said, removing the actual meaning and trying to mislead people. You also didn't add any quotation marks so whatever your intention may or may not have been, it was unclear that you were quoting someone. I thought you were repeatedly laughing at someone else's use of English a minute ago! In addition, you literally said this phrase as a justification for Trump's appalling language and expression of genocidal intent. As I said, context matters!

So I say again, do you use a similar degree of understanding towards the IRGC or the Houthis or Hamas who have displayed far less violence than the US? It would be hypocritical not to.

Whoosh again.

I wasn’t even repeating the words of our friend Red but of his mate Trump Red. If you were following what everyone says with the close attention you pounce on everything I say, you would understand the context and everything.

You’re talking nonsense as have no idea who said what or why. Maybe you’re bored on a Saturday morning so thought some baiting of me would be mildly entertaining but you’re so off the mark it’s silly.

rainingsnoring · 01/08/2026 08:07

Twiglets1 · 01/08/2026 07:43

Whoosh again.

I wasn’t even repeating the words of our friend Red but of his mate Trump Red. If you were following what everyone says with the close attention you pounce on everything I say, you would understand the context and everything.

You’re talking nonsense as have no idea who said what or why. Maybe you’re bored on a Saturday morning so thought some baiting of me would be mildly entertaining but you’re so off the mark it’s silly.

It makes no difference which 'red' poster said it Twigs but I guess that all whoosed over your head, along with the other points. Don't worry. I'm used to it!

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