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Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 12:59

Jade hasn’t even told us who the opinion is from - just that it’s an opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

Apparently the opinion giver is male so that narrows it down.

RedTagAlan · 29/07/2026 13:00

trumpredcard · 29/07/2026 09:05

@RedTagAlan 's gone dark, hope MN is restored soon.

It is very intermittent. Keeps locking into security check loops.

rainingsnoring · 29/07/2026 13:01

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 12:29

That sounds childishly written like the way Trump himself talks.

The “single stupidest” 😂

Stupidist would have done. Or as a more literate person might put it, most stupid.

Good example of a straw man right there.

It would be interesting to hear who said this though. Clearly, he is correct though. I'm sure a lot of the US public are embarrassed to have Trump represent them on the world stage.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2026 13:02

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 12:59

Jade hasn’t even told us who the opinion is from - just that it’s an opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

Apparently the opinion giver is male so that narrows it down.

AI is your friend Smile

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lawrence-odonnell-trump-iran_n_6a69adc3e4b0fddbd7124fa6

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RedTagAlan · 29/07/2026 13:04

rainingsnoring · 29/07/2026 13:01

Good example of a straw man right there.

It would be interesting to hear who said this though. Clearly, he is correct though. I'm sure a lot of the US public are embarrassed to have Trump represent them on the world stage.

If you read the transcripts of what he says it can be a job to find anything coherent. On any subject.

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:07

So now I know - he’s a host from MS NOW whatever that is.

Why are his opinions worth repeating on here is still a mystery.

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:09

RedTagAlan · 29/07/2026 13:00

It is very intermittent. Keeps locking into security check loops.

I was relieved to spot you earlier on a “weddings gift” thread so knew you hadn’t “gone dark”

JadeHare · 29/07/2026 13:11

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:07

So now I know - he’s a host from MS NOW whatever that is.

Why are his opinions worth repeating on here is still a mystery.

Because lots of people probably agree. It was somewhat light hearted.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2026 13:11

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:07

So now I know - he’s a host from MS NOW whatever that is.

Why are his opinions worth repeating on here is still a mystery.

It's a discussion thread, many opinions are shared so why not this one.

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Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:14

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2026 13:11

It's a discussion thread, many opinions are shared so why not this one.

It’s tedious if the opinions are from sources that have no special insight and sound barely literate but maybe that’s just me.

RedTagAlan · 29/07/2026 13:15

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2026 11:03

Reuters

Oman proposed a plan for joint regional control of the strait this week, with the backing of Gulf states, that would allow the payment of voluntary service charges. But a senior Iranian official told Reuters on Wednesday that Iran had rejected the Omani proposal as "unreasonable".

The official said a 50-50 joint control arrangement with Oman would not serve Iran’s interests, though Tehran considers Oman a valuable neighbour. Iran wants sole control over the inbound route through the strait and partial control over the outbound route.

The United States has been telling ships to use a route near the Omani shore rather than sailing close to Iran. The Revolutionary Guards Navy said in a statement it continued to maintain full control over the strait and would respond to "unlawful U.S. military interference".

Quote " Iran wants sole control over the inbound route through the strait and partial control over the outbound route."

That will be the water depth thing maybe. One side is deeper than the other so safer for full load big ships, and that seems to be the Oman side. But I think they do need to switch sometimes for big fully loaded ships going in.

Thing is it was 50-50 control pre war as per UNCLOS. There is no UNCLOS mechanism for Iran to have partial control of the Oman side. Then again, there is no mechanism for the US to control any of it.

TopPocketFind · 29/07/2026 13:22

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:14

It’s tedious if the opinions are from sources that have no special insight and sound barely literate but maybe that’s just me.

Ignore it then.

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JadeHare · 29/07/2026 13:22

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 13:14

It’s tedious if the opinions are from sources that have no special insight and sound barely literate but maybe that’s just me.

Noted.

trumpredcard · 29/07/2026 14:13

rainingsnoring · 29/07/2026 12:58

I've only read the first paragraph fully and agree with the writer here. I said this the other day in response to a post about it making sense strategically for the Ukrainians to attack the Iranian vessel:
'Sure but you could also argue that it makes sense for Russia to ask the Iranians to attack Europe, who are supplying the Ukrainians with their weapons.
All of it is bad and just escalates these wars. Perhaps they will end up merging into one, huge conflict if this continues.'

My concern is the potential for escalation from one thing on top of another. How do people think the WWs started? What provokes the use of nuclear weapons? These things are all possibilities, maybe not next week but in the next year or two, maybe more, perhaps.

As I was reading this thoughtful and well explained article, I was nodding in agreement with much of it. The bit about Russian assets in Africa caught my eye because China is extending hegemony on that continent so they are poised to fill a Russian vacuum.

On drones etc, Ukraine's sharing of tech with GCC only gives a time limited advantage as Iran has lots of home grown talent to counter and develop its own anti drone weapons. It will be like the constant software upgrades we are accustomed to.

As more countries get drawn in as mentioned in the article, like @rainingsnoring I can see Trump's two week war as the ground zero for WWIII. I do think that it makes sense for back channels to be utilised even though Iran isn't engaging in f2f talks with the US.

My take on the use of "single stupidest" is that it's perfect. Language can be used to express emotion as well as fact, and I can hear the frustration in the words of the speaker. Single stands for the apex of stupid, that this (single) one person, is the stupidest in the speaker's experience. Used together with the adjective, it qualifies and compounds the level of stupidity. A+

Every day's a school day.

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 14:48

trumpredcard · 29/07/2026 14:13

As I was reading this thoughtful and well explained article, I was nodding in agreement with much of it. The bit about Russian assets in Africa caught my eye because China is extending hegemony on that continent so they are poised to fill a Russian vacuum.

On drones etc, Ukraine's sharing of tech with GCC only gives a time limited advantage as Iran has lots of home grown talent to counter and develop its own anti drone weapons. It will be like the constant software upgrades we are accustomed to.

As more countries get drawn in as mentioned in the article, like @rainingsnoring I can see Trump's two week war as the ground zero for WWIII. I do think that it makes sense for back channels to be utilised even though Iran isn't engaging in f2f talks with the US.

My take on the use of "single stupidest" is that it's perfect. Language can be used to express emotion as well as fact, and I can hear the frustration in the words of the speaker. Single stands for the apex of stupid, that this (single) one person, is the stupidest in the speaker's experience. Used together with the adjective, it qualifies and compounds the level of stupidity. A+

Every day's a school day.

😂

JadeHare · 29/07/2026 15:53

Think the POTUS needs to wash his mouth out with soap. Such a delightful and diplomatic man. From CNN:

“We are going to beat the f*king sht out of them,” Trump told Fox News Wednesday morning.

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 15:54

JadeHare · 29/07/2026 15:53

Think the POTUS needs to wash his mouth out with soap. Such a delightful and diplomatic man. From CNN:

“We are going to beat the f*king sht out of them,” Trump told Fox News Wednesday morning.

Language can be used to express emotion as well as fact, and I can hear the frustration in the words of the speaker.

RedTagAlan · 29/07/2026 16:08

JadeHare · 29/07/2026 15:53

Think the POTUS needs to wash his mouth out with soap. Such a delightful and diplomatic man. From CNN:

“We are going to beat the f*king sht out of them,” Trump told Fox News Wednesday morning.

I have a suspicion that was the only coherent thing he said in the interview. He is normally all over the place on anything. And this was Fox, the more hawkish network. They encourage him.

In fact, I reckon that is how to end this war. Just make sure it is calm and collected people who interview him. Feed him calm and collected thoughts, maybe to gentle music. He plays to the immediate audience after all. And has an attention span of minutes at times, two weeks at best.

BelleHathor · 29/07/2026 17:12

Poor Trump not, it must be hard knowing that the totally voluntary war of choice you started has only 28% approval:
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/20/politics/iran-war-unpopularity-iraq-vietnam

"The ‘not worth fighting’ number

The survey showed 68% of Americans said the Iran war was not “worth fighting,” while just 28% said it was.

That negative 40-point split is worse than for either the Iraq or Afghanistan wars in Washington Post-ABC News polling.
^^
The worst numbers for the Afghanistan war were a similar 67%-28% split in 2013, nearly 12 years into it.
^^
The Iraq war also saw about two-thirds (66%) saying it wasn’t worth fighting in its worst poll in 2007. But the percentage who said it was worth fighting never dipped below 33%.
^^
In other words, even the Iraq war never lost as much support as this war has.
^^
It’s also worth emphasizing that it took Americans a long time to conclude that these other wars weren’t worth it. In Afghanistan, it took nearly eight years for a majority to say that. In Iraq, it took nearly a year. And it wasn’t until four years later that two-thirds said it wasn’t worth it."

I think he believes that bad language makes him look strong, according to Roberts Barnes someone finally told him that his base were referring to Trump as weak and Bibi's bitch. For someone so ego driven and arrogant that must hurt.

However at 5pm GMT we currently have:

  1. Promise by Yemen to respond to Saudi Violations.
  1. Promise by Trump to repsond to the hits on Jordan.
  1. Possibility of Iraqi PMCs (a larger sized better armed Hezbollah) to respond to US/Saudi attacks.
  1. Ukraine has apologised and offered to indemnify Iran over "unintentional" hit.

Trumpredcard a map that was floating around yesterday showing most of the currently active conflicts, shows how this could easily spill over from being a regional war to a multi continent war.

P.s if you overlay that map with trade routes and natural resources the whole reason for these wars become clearer.

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 3
JadeHare · 29/07/2026 21:02

From the Independent:
“Shipping through the Strait of Hormuz has hit “crisis-era lows”, a UK-based maritime data firm has reported as a brief pause in fighting was shattered by fresh clashes in the Middle East.
Lloyd’s List Intelligence said amid the worsening security situation “a near-term recovery in traffic” through the strategic waterway was unlikely.
The disruption to trade through the Gulf channel, which is a vital oil and gas supply route, has driven up fuel and food prices.
In an update, Lloyd’s said initial figures showed there were just 39 vessel transits from July 20-26, down from 82 the previous week.
This represents only a fraction of the traffic before the war, when on average nearly 140 ships a day made the crossing.”
“The monitor said: “The deteriorating security environment in the Strait of Hormuz has driven vessel traffic back to crisis-era lows.”
It added: “A near-term recovery in traffic is unlikely. Neither Tehran nor Washington has shifted position materially, leaving owners reluctant to resume normal trading patterns.”
Meanwhile, the renewed hostilities have threatened to expand the conflict.
A US-owned gas storage tanker in the Egyptian port of Damietta in the eastern Mediterranean was struck by a drone, according to the British maritime security firm Ambrey.
It came after Iran launched missiles at US forces in the Middle East as the American military joined with Saudi Arabia in attacking Tehran-backed militias in neighbouring Iraq.
The latest violence was triggered by what the Pentagon described as “an attempted surprise attack” by Tehran on US personnel based in the region, which it said was successfully intercepted.
Having previously halted an intensive 13-day military offensive against Iran, Donald Trump was quoted by Fox News as saying: “We’ll be hitting them hard. We’re going to beat the f shit out of them.””
“Before the new flare-up, mediators had expressed hope about bringing the US and Iran back to the negotiating table.
An interim ceasefire deal collapsed in recent weeks after renewed fighting in the contested Strait of Hormuz, which has been a flashpoint in the war.
Iran has continued to try to maintain its stranglehold on the channel, which had been open before the US and Israel began the conflict, including demanding ships seek permission to transit, attacking vessels and threatening to impose charges.
In response, the US has moved to crack down on bodies backed by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) “for running coercive ‘insurance’ schemes that extort international shipping transiting the Strait of Hormuz”.
State department spokesman Tommy Piggott said: “These entities manufacture risk – including the threat of vessel seizures – and then charge commercial vessels for coverage against dangers created by the regime itself, generating revenue that sustains IRGC operations and Iran’s broader campaign of regional destabilisation.””

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“Strait of Hormuz shipping hits ‘crisis-era lows’ as conflict risks spreading”
Nick Lester
The Independent
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trumpredcard · 30/07/2026 05:37

Thanks @BelleHathor I rarely check The Independent but I see that have a £1 offer for 6 months. I do like to read many sources; how do you find their coverage generally?

trumpredcard · 30/07/2026 05:45

Twiglets1 · 29/07/2026 15:54

Language can be used to express emotion as well as fact, and I can hear the frustration in the words of the speaker.

Hmmmm. More angry I would say, but you really need to think for yourself. #parrot😂

Twiglets1 · 30/07/2026 07:01

Jordan’s military is saying it has foiled an Iranian attempt to target the kingdom with five missiles, the state news agency reports.

The agency quoted the armed forces as saying “interception measures” were carried out and there were no casualties.

In other news Central Command said in a statement posted on X that it struck “dozens of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) targets in Iran, including military command centers, missile and drone facilities, coastal surveillance and defense sites, and maritime capabilities”.

It said the two hours of strikes were in response to Iran’s attempted missile attacks on US forces in the region and “aimed to further diminish threats posed by Iran and its proxies to American forces, commercial shipping, and neighboring Gulf countries”.

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jul/30/us-iran-war-live-updates-missile-strikes-attacks-iraq-egypt-middle-east-crisis-latest-news

BelleHathor · 30/07/2026 07:54

trumpredcard · 30/07/2026 05:37

Thanks @BelleHathor I rarely check The Independent but I see that have a £1 offer for 6 months. I do like to read many sources; how do you find their coverage generally?

I rarely read the Independent, so I have no idea on their coverage.

I usually only read it when links are posted here by posters like Jade (which I very much appreciate). :-)

JadeHare · 30/07/2026 09:39

From the ipaper:

“The US President is in a dilemma. Put aside the bombastic rhetoric, and both sides are stuck. Neither believe they’ve lost; both think they have more to gain. Trump has only two options to break the impasse: Use such overwhelming military power that Iran decides the cost of resistance is too high. Or negotiate – and hope to achieve his aims with the leverage he has.
The clear temptation is to escalate and attempt to break the will of Iran’s leadership. America could continue crippling strikes, or, more strategically, attempt to strangle Iran’s exports through an extended blockade or control of Kharg Island, which handles around 90 per cent of Iran’s oil. The question is not whether Trump can inflict further damage on Iran. He can. It is whether doing it produces the outcome he wants.”
“To tip the balance of power in his favour – including reopening the strait – may require Trump to absorb a level of pain and risk he has shown unwillingness to tolerate to date, including rising global oil prices and high numbers of US casualties. Military advantage doesn’t necessarily translate into political leverage either. History suggests caution: Iran has endured decades of sanctions, isolation and military pressure while preserving the core pillars of its foreign policy.
Escalation aside, how can Trump get what he wants out of the Iran conflict? The Strait of Hormuz may provide the answer. ”
“Before Trump attacked, Iran was simultaneously portrayed as a paper tiger and a formidable regional power able to inflict global costs. But in this conflict Iran has proved that it possessed a powerful source of leverage neither side fully appreciated before the war: by denying safe passage to even a small number of ships, it could close down 20 per cent of the world’s transport of oil and liquid natural gas.
It is this strength that may make Iran’s leaders rethink how it provides long-term security to the country. Its nuclear programme has always been about more than the bomb itself – and ensuring no outside power can again decide Iran’s future. The strait could offer Iran a substitute for its nuclear insurance – and Trump a deal that avoids further escalation.”
“The grand bargain, unpalatable as it may be, is that the US accepts Iran’s de facto (not legal) role in maintaining commercial passage through the strait in exchange for abandoning its nuclear programme. In practice, this means the US accepts it will not use military force to reopen the strait. Iran would commit to keeping the waterway open to commercial shipping, while assuming a recognised role in providing maritime services, potentially including “maritime service fees”.
Those arrangements would matter more symbolically than economically: they would acknowledge that Iran’s influence over the strait had become part of the region’s security architecture – and that its ability to disrupt Hormuz had become a strategic deterrent in its own right. In return would come the complete, independently verified dismantling of Iran’s nuclear programme, with the US providing phased sanctions relief. Any breach would trigger the automatic return of sanctions and the possibility of renewed military action. The precise legal architecture would be for diplomats to negotiate. The strategic trade is what matters: Iran exchanges its nuclear deterrent for recognition of a new source of regional leverage.
“This solution won’t be palatable for a number of reasons – but there are limited options. Primarily, allowing Iran to control the strait risks rewarding coercion. Freedom of navigation in international waters is a cornerstone of international law and it could encourage others to follow suit – China’s claim to the South China Sea and around Taiwan would be tacitly strengthened, for example. The concern is legitimate, but the legal reality is already more complicated. International waterways have long involved arrangements around safety, pilotage and maritime services. Chile, for instance, collects fees in the Strait of Magellan, and something similar could be implemented for Iran.
In practice, the choice is not between a world where Iran has no influence over Hormuz and one where it does. The war has already answered that question. The choice is whether that influence is exercised through confrontation or through a deal. ”
“It may be deeply uncomfortable, but so is nuclear proliferation. It is no idle threat: many in Iran will see US attacks as proof the deterrent is necessary and a nuclear Iran could lead to rapid proliferation across the Middle East. It is better to be in conflict on the law of the sea than at the mercy of the red button.
But is such a deal saleable? That often appears to be Trump’s primary metric. Ending Iran’s nuclear programme would be a significant achievement, even if Obama’s administration previously made progress towards it. Crucially, Trump could frame it not as a concession, but as a transaction: America gets its most important objective, so does Iran, and the deal demonstrates the war delivered tangible gains.”
“Trump set out to weaken Iran. Instead, he may have strengthened its negotiating position. That looks like failure. Yet diplomacy has always been about trading what each side values most. If the strait has become Iran’s new source of leverage, then for the first time in years its nuclear programme may no longer be its only insurance policy. Trump’s greatest strategic mistake may have created a realistic basis for a lasting deal.
No one should pretend this is a satisfying outcome. Rewarding coercion sets dangerous precedents. But diplomacy is not the art of choosing between good options. It is often the art of choosing between bad ones.”

Excerpt From
“Trump might be on the verge of his greatest diplomatic success”
Alexander Dragonetti
The i Paper
https://apple.news/AAtTBpMeHSy-EeXdjD5aNgQ
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Trump's Iran gamble has left him with nowhere to go — The i Paper

Patrick Cockburn: The US President wanted to force Iran's hand. Instead, he's just strengthened it

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