US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

Ok - someone does want to discuss the ceasefire - good.

Where are you getting the idea that Hezbollah are wanting to negotiate a ceasefire? They haven't stopped attacking Israel even after the MoU was signed so that suggests to me that like Israel, they are not currently interested in a ceasefire. Hopefully that will change soon from both Israel and Hezbollah, but they both seem to need more pressure from the US/Iran before they will comply.

As @Ihatetomatoes said a few pages back, they both need to stop fighting.

You have been told plenty of times that nobody is supporting those regimes, so why still wonder?

I have tried answering your questiion on multiple occassions and threads but you still accuse me of trying to shut you up.

And saying you talk nonsense is not an insult.

Maybe your thinking is black and white, I can see grey as well.

I haven't seen anyone say they support Hezbollah. But I also haven't seen most on this board ever say they condemn them, apart from on the pro Israel side.

It's not simplistic thinking to think that some people on this board have rather extreme views. If we were all moderate there would not be so many arguments and insults because it would be easy to find common ground and agree that there is blame on all sides re the war in Iran/fighting in Lebanon.

Note what I posted above :

"The protests started over inflation and grew. The Iranian Government done a brutal crackdown. And they pulled out the usual stock excuse, "foreign agents at work". Then the denials by the US that there were foreign agents. Most people ignored this. It's the usual stock stuff."

This bit I bolded above :

" And they pulled out the usual stock excuse, "foreign agents at work".

Why did I post that ? Because that is what they done. They pulled out the usual stock excuse.

But as somebody seems to think what I wrote means I have sympathy for the regime. So let me rewrite that bolded bit more specifically.

And they pulled of the usual stock excuse, as used by brutal authoritarian governments the world over: that the protests were instigated by foreign agents. This is a typical propaganda statement we all expect. It is the brutal authoritarian "go to". It is a "stock excuse".

And then what happened ? Trump opened his big gob and BOASTED about having agents in Iran, and that he had sent arms to the protestors.

It seems to be my fault because I assumed people would recognise what "stock excuse" means. I should be more specific really.

The Iranian military says the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, contradicting the US.

Delegations led by JD Vance and Iranian parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf are in position in Buergenstock, Switzerland, according to the Swiss government.

Sorry I have no interest in debating further with someone who thinks they can tell me what questions I can ask and thinks they win arguments by telling someone they’re “talking nonsense” and taking people’s comments out of context. But then can’t explain politely what they mean by that.

We’re going round in circles and it’s pointless.

I wonder which side is telling the truth? We don’t know do we.

Been following it on the CNN feed. Vance looked a bit rough setting out, and what I noticed is that he was given a small plane. I thought that odd, as Trump is always going on about how things "look".

What message does that send to Iran in terms of how serious Trump is. No Jumbo jet, or 767. Just a small business jet.

Attached.

That’s shocking that they sent him in a small plane 😂

Vance was busy promoting his book and confessed not knowing what was going on with the Switzerland talks, no wonder he looks like that.

Looks like the morning after the night before.

The other delegates turned up in their full dress aboard their state jets. Vance set off in a state aboard the smallest jet in the US VIP fleet. Wonder if he had to flag a cab at the other end. ( No, he was taken to the venue in a town car, not even a limo).

What does that say about the importance Trump is putting on this trip ?

I'm pretty sure the specific thread I mentioned was on AIBU at the start of the war. I found it shocking and upsetting how so many posters just assumed it was Iran, made various excuses, etc. Others mades imilar comments. Obviously, those making these sort of comments would not find it shocking and upsetting!
I haven't been involved in the sort of threads you descibe but I can imagine the sort of comments because there have been a few on here too. Lots of <shrug, it's a war, people get killed' type comments wrt Gaza and S Lebanon, which I find very offensive.

I need to clarify that comment as you have clearly misunderstood and I wasn't clear enough. I meant that lots of people were cheering/excited/very supportive when the war started, making comments about Mullahs, cheering when Khameni and his family were assassinated. I did not mean that people were cheering about the murder of the poor little girls in the school. People have absolutely justified all the murders in Gaza/Lebanon/Iran as just part of war. I find these sort of opinions repellant.

Exactly. It's the kind of childish black and white thinking you get on the Daily Mail comments. You can dislike both things or just generally have a much more nuanced view!

Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian: “What is certain is that we will never give up our right to enrich uranium, and the other side will have no choice but to accept it.”

From Sky News

The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has met with a senior Swiss politician to "take stock" of developments in Iran.

Rafael Grossi, who leads the UN's nuclear regulator, said it was a "critical moment" as he met vice president of the Swiss Federal Council Ignazio Cassis.

Iran had accepted the IAEA as an inspector to verify the nation's compliance with Barack Obama's 2015 nuclear agreement restricting its ability to create nuclear warheads.

My understanding is that Trump has no nuke experts on his team. Trump has real estate developers.

Oh dear ... that will be an end to sanctions relief then - or possibly even a return to war if he's serious. He probably isn't though. Like the President of the US he talks nonsense sometimes considering Iran has just signed a Memorandum of Understanding where they have agreed to deal with the enriched uranium Tehran already has (point 8).

And that point 7 (sanctions to end) only happens if point 8 does.

Paragraph 13 of the MOU is :

13. After signing this MoU and subject to the beginning of the implementation of Paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 of this MoU and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.

So the next step depends on Paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 being ticked.

1 is the termination of hostilities on all fronts, inc Lebanon.

4 is removal of the US blockade against Iran.

5 is the SoH open by Iran and Oman.

10 is waivers stopped against Iran exporting oil.

11 is release of frozen funds to Iran.

It's right there in black and white, signed by Trump. The ball is in Trumps court to deliver those items specified in para 13, before they even get to the nuke talk.

This is Trump's MOU deal. This belongs to Trump. He used his art of the deal to formulate it and get agreement. This is what Trump says is better than the JCPOA. And if Trump does not deliver in para 13, the MOU fails.

The waivers will be stopped against Iran exporting oil for the 60 days yes and the US will lift sanctions on Iran. But economic rewards for Iran can be reversed at a later point if they don't fulfil their part of the deal with regard to - amongst other things - allowing the enriched uranium to be diluted.

Iran have signed to say they will allow their uranium to be diluted, now their President is saying something else. So maybe he's not serious about doing a deal after all or maybe he's just bullshitting, who knows.

Again, article 13 of the MOU. No mention of nukes. These have to be ticked off before nuke stuff even starts.

13. After signing this MoU and subject to the beginning of the implementation of Paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10 and 11 of this MoU and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.

These are all in Trumps corner. Perhaps with the exception of Hezbollah. I suspect that comes down to what happens in Lebanon. That is worth a separate post I think.

Article 14, the final one, is the biggie I think.

14. The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UN Security Council resolution.

That is the same folk who done the JCPOA. Though that had the EU as well.

The sooner Trump delivers on art 13, the more of the 60 days will be left for nuke talks. If Trump does not deliver on art 13, then it's on him. And he can't TRUTH out no deal "because nukes" unless he ticks art 13.

Just to check we are all using the same version of the MOU, this is the one I have bookmarked. Dated 18th June. If this one is wrong I hold my hands up and apologise. I should cross check, but this is only a forum, so I have not done full due diligence . This is a State Media Propaganda site I have linked below:

Read the full text of the 14-point MoU between US and Iran - CGTN

Can Iran reel Hezbollah in ?

I can see problems with this. Because how much does Iran control Hezbollah ?

I honestly don't know. The deal does depend on it. Is control 100% or 20% ?

My own thinking is that there will be other factions who have latched onto Hezbollah, or have been "forced" to. Any posters on the thread who know and can share ?

Edit to add- I ask because it is a banned subject on my web.

All a bit moot at the moment seeing as though they can’t seem to get to point 1.

Good point. I just edited my post to say it's a blocked subject on my web. That is why I am asking.

I suppose, as a sort of comparison, we know the IRA got US funding. Not government, but NORAID. But they had no direct control. Is Iran and Hezbollah like that, or is it an actual Iranian force in Lebanon ? Or at what point between these two does the interaction sit ?

That's what I mean.