US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

No one on MN was cheering loudly when this war started let alone when the girls school was blown up. The reason posters have disappeared is because of the bias on this board and the way topics that can be debated on other boards get nasty on this one.

@JadeHare the deaths in Lebanon were avoidable and could have been avoided if Hezbollah had not decided to involve Lebanon in the war between the US/Israel and Iran. Once Hezbollah attacked Israeli civilians, a harsh response was - as always - inevitable.

Trump still won’t admit to the school.

“U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that "nobody" purposefully attacked a girls' school in Iran in February, citing an investigation into the incident.
Reuters first reported that an initial internal U.S. military investigation showed U.S. forces were likely responsible for the fatal strike in Minab in southern Iran. The Pentagon has since elevated the probe but it has not acknowledged any preliminary findings.
The strike on February 28, the first day of the conflict, killed more than 175 children and teachers, according to Iranian officials.
"That's under investigation," Trump said at a press conference on the sidelines of the Group of Seven conference in Evian-les-Bains, France, adding that mistakes are made in war. "Nobody did that on purpose."”

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I think we all know what a double tap means these days. And there have been countless ones on medics in Lebanon. I wonder why?

They absolutely were Twigs. Let's not try to rewrite history. There a great number of posters who were cheering and very pro the war at the start. There was also a thread about the school bombing with some disgusting comments.

Your second comment is offensive victim blaming. No doubt you won't see it though. Don't try to take the moral high ground when you write things like this.

I am not seeing where it got "nasty" on this board. Did it get nasty, beyond someone accusing others of supporting the IRGC?

I do see some posters who used to post on these conflict in the mid east threads elsewhere. Usually on the threads about how Muslims are a danger to the world type threads. And usually posting about how Farage/Lowe are right.

It's almost as if there is a connection between Muslims and Iran. I am not accusing anyone of anything of course. I am just making an observation.

I am not so sure they were not adamant about. For example see the following prior to them being initially bombed in 2025.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/15/iran-open-to-compromises-to-reach-nuclear-deal-with-us-bbc.html

The previous leader that the US and Israel killed was against a nuclear bomb for religious reasons apparently. Those in the know about the more recent negotiations have said the new leadership are more militant and hardline. I have heard this reported in the news on many occasions. This is despite the barbaric nature of the prior regime.

It wouldn’t really surprise me either. Imagine how pissed off you would be if - like the present Khamenei, if many of your family were killed by the U.S. and Israel. Particularly when you were just beginning negotiations with them.

I don’t think but Hezbollah is going to stand up to the scrutiny of the world on how this plays out. Much like but Hamas hasn’t stood up to the fact that Israel have killed 73, 000+ Palestinians in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/20/mona-khalil-turtle-ecologist-lebanon-killed-israeli-attack

What has that got to do with my comment that no one on MN was cheering loudly when this war started let alone when the girls school was blown up?

It was in response to your but Hezbollah comment.

Or are all medics Hezbollah? Like all medics in Gaza were Hamas?

I've been on some of the same threads as you on the Politics board or AIBU. The way you are representing those threads is not accurate as there is a wide range of opinions expressed on there from dozens of posters - unlike on this board which is largely becoming an echo chamber.

I don't think I've seen one poster from this board on those threads saying how Reform/Restore are always right and most of us on the pro Israel side seem to favour the Labour party or the Conservative party over more extreme parties. No one has said Muslims are a danger to the world.

The fact that you have perceived criticism of Islamic extremists and terrorist groups as criticism of all Muslims says more about you than about the people making the comments. Extremists are bad news - and that is true of all extremists. If people criticise a terrorist group who are Muslim, that doesn't mean they think all Muslims are a danger to the world.

A tiny percentage will do - they are therefore holding extreme views themselves.

So I can't criticise Hezbollah attacking Israeli civilians? Why not?

You can and should criticise Hezbollah, don't use it to justify Israel's disproportionate reaction

Trump told Iranian protesters ‘help is on its way’ — but the peace deal leaves the mullahs more powerful than ever, dissidents say

https://nypost.com/2026/06/16/world-news/iranian-dissidents-frustrated-after-trumps-peace-deal-leaves-regime-in-power/

I am interested in an answer from @JadeHare

@TopPocketFind You are one of the more moderate people on this board if you think it's ok to criticise Hezbollah. I don't actually see anyone else criticising them who isn't on the pro Israel side.

As for a disproportionate response - that is something I have criticised Israel for myself on several occasions, so I don't use Hezbollah to justify Israel's disproportionate reaction. I said it most recently 2 days ago on this very thread when I said about Netanyahu that:

"I agree he should reflect on why most of the world thinks he goes too far with his response to Israel being attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah. I don't deny that the Israel response in both Gaza and Lebanon is disproportionate to the threat".

Yup.

But it appears we are not being precise enough ? If we criticise one party and do not specifically criticise the other too, at the same time, then we are by default being supportive of the side not mentioned.

If we say we have seen posters who did post here with a pro war slant, now posting on Reform threads, we have to be ultra specific on how many and what they are posting.

I say I like chocolate ice cream. Some people reply , " So you hate vanilla ice cream".

And this is a thread discussing the peace process. Where Trump can hardly put a coherent sentence together.

@Twiglets1 , you are talking nonsense taking people's comments out of context.

You consistently accuse people of supporting the IRCG, Hamas, Hezbollah

I think @TopPocketFind covered it thanks.

Rather than resort to insults about me talking nonsense why don't you explain politely how I have taken people's comments out of context, in your opinion?

I am not sure I have seen anyone support Hezbollah. It’s simplistic thinking that because you don’t approve of the Israeli bombing of Lebanon that you support Hezbollah.

I can’t think how else this confusion has arisen.

Stop accusing people of supporting the above mentioned groups

No one has explained why I can't criticise Hezbollah for attacking Israeli civilians?

@TopPocketFind said I can but don't use it to justify Israel's disproportionate reaction.

I explained that I am in agreement that Israel's response is often disproportionate but still - why can't I criticise Hezbollah attacking Israeli civilians without being accused of "but Hezbollah".

Surely we should all be criticising Hezbollah as well as criticising the Israel government for a disproportionate reaction to their civilians getting attacked?

There is the small matter of the IDF occupying a big chunk of a different country, and systematically razing it.

Including a B&B by a turtle beach, killing someone who was a turtle activist.

That’s fair @Twiglets1

But when you think of the outcomes of the attacks- if people criticise Israel more, for me it’s because their attacks as so disproportionate. They kill thousands, destroy and flatten infrastructure and they have displaced a million people. They continue to occupy Lebanese land.

The Israeli government are clearly not going into negotiations happily but Iran, and by proxy Hezbollah, are wanting to negotiate a ceasefire.

Israel is being told to negotiate a ceasefire by the U.S. who have the lever (recently read this) of funding and supplying two thirds of the weapons used by Israel.

@TopPocketFind I think it's fair to wonder if a poster has sympathy for the regime if they consider the murder of thousands of Iranians to be all stirred up by "foreign agents."

I am allowed to express my opinions you know.

But I see you are unable to give any polite justification for why I am talking "nonsense" or how I have taken people's comments out of context so we have moved to the insult phase.

No one is even attempting to discuss the peace agreement anymore so I guess there's no point continuing with the discussion until it goes back on topic.