US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

Also - Dr Prune - the excuse Israel have to keep bombing Lebanon is that Hezbollah keep bombing them.

Hezbollah also started the attacks, in response to the Ayatollah getting killed. So they could always try stopping attacks on the IDF, to see if that is helpful to less violence.

I think they would carry on ignoring the MOU either way, unfortunately. The Israeli government has no interest in peace. Bibi would lose the upcoming elections and that would have major implications for him. The others waiting in the wings to be elected are likely as hard line as he is too.
As I said earlier, if Trump really wanted to make a stand, he would cut all aid to Israel and remove the US weapons. I doubt he would do that though.

Israel would have to get out of Lebanon first

Constantly saying Hezbollah attack first doesn’t make that true you know
Its like Israel constantly saying Hamas was there so we blew up an entire tower block or shot a kid in the head
Everyone sees the lies now
Things have changed
Trust is lost

Exactly. Israel are the ones invading and grabbing land. These seems hard for some to grasp.

Sadly I agree
They have ignored the Gaza agreement
so can’t be trusted to keep to any

It’s also worth noting Netanyahu and Ben Gvir etc are uncompromising
They don’t negotiate and I suspect that’s one reason perhaps they were not invited to the talks

It is factually true that Hezbollah launched rockets and drones at Israel as retaliation for the killing of the Ayatollah. What media sources are you reading that you don't know that?

The BBC and other sources reported it on March 2nd.

Israel's military has said it has struck Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, after the Iranian-backed Shia group said it launched rockets and drones at the Israeli city of Haifa to avenge the killing of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y4v8g13wxo

Iran will get the money. It wouldn't be in the MOU otherwise. Its extremely unpopular with the MAGA faithful and makes a mockery of the "plane full of money sent by Obama"🙄 but Trump has endorsed it so🤷‍♀️.

If Netenyahu continues to mess this up, Trump, will scapegoat and punish Israel.

It's in the MoU that Iran will only get the money if they stick to certain agreements.

Because the US has described the deal as performance-based, the sanctions relief specified in point 7 (sanctions to end) is tied to Iran complying with point 8 (No nuclear weapons).

And point 6 Money for Iran reconstruction
The sixth point of the MoU says the US and regional partners will develop a "definitive, mutually agreed plan" worth at least $300bn (£224bn) for reconstruction and economic development in Iran.

The final mechanism will be agreed within 60 days of the final deal, and all licences, waivers and permissions will be granted by the US.

These licences, waivers and permissions potentially granted by the US will be dependent on Iran complying with their side of the deal.

As reported by the BBC, the US and Iran will establish a "mechanism" to monitor the implementation of the MoU and compliance with a future deal.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgmqzr6p9mo

USA and Iran agreed a MOU.

Israel is breaching the terms Trump agreed with Iran.

You said it yourself: US and Iran agreed a MoU.

Israel did not sign any agreement and Trump cannot speak for Netanyahu.

A final peace agreement will surely need to include the US, Israel and Iran (including their proxies in Gaza and Lebanon).

Yes they did

Because Israel and the US killed the Ayotollah
you’ve said it yourself

They didn’t attack first did they !!

read the intel you are posting

You're right, Trump cannot speak for Netenyahu. He can punish him though. For not doing what he's told.🤷‍♀️

MAGA and Trump, blame Netanyahu and Israel for the shitshow that is the USA's war with Iran.😬

Re the protestors Iran killed. Can we sort of settle on 20k being the number, for the sake of argument.

The protests started over inflation and grew. The Iranian Government done a brutal crackdown. And they pulled out the usual stock excuse, "foreign agents at work". Then the denials by the US that there were foreign agents. Most people ignored this. It's the usual stock stuff.

Fast forward to the US pilots rescue, and Trump is boasting about CIA agents in Iran, and boasting that he sent arms to Kurds for them to arm the protestors. So now we have Trump, POTUS, boasting about doing what Iran claimed. Instead of, you know, keeping his mouth shut.

And here it is, the second line of the MOU.

"2. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs."

In other words, stop interfering. Leave us alone.

I would say that line increases the strength of the Iranian regime in Iran. When Trump signed that, he is basically saying no more CIA, no more anti regime propaganda, and no more supporting the Iranian opposition.

Hands up who thinks the likes of Reagan or whoever would have signed that with the USSR during the cold war ?

Yes they did attack first! Killing the Ayatollah is not attacking civilians is it?

The IRGC was always going to retaliate for that, it was their leader after all.

Hezbollah didn't need to join in too and bring Lebanon into the war.

Yes Trump can punish Netanyahu. The other thing that could happen is that Iran could stop funding Hezbollah if they keep attacking Israel. Of course they won't because that is what they fund Hezbollah for.

Trump shouldn't blame Netanyahu for starting the war, it was a joint war that he was not forced into. More realistically, Trump can blame him for not playing along with his attempts to end the war.

I’d be careful if I were you, otherwise people might see fit to preface their comments with the line that I don’t support the IRGC before trying to have a grown up debate. And we all know how that went down.

As a grown up adult, I wouldn’t spit the dummy and go grassing to the teacher and have posts deleted. But you do you.

"grassing to the teacher" - listen to yourself!

Half the people protesting about me reporting those posts have probably reported mine because my posts get deleted too. Wonder how that happens since you all profess to be so offended by someone reporting posts.

If I look out my window, do I see the real world ?

Well yes. It is real enough. It might not be what some posters would call " normal", but what I see and live does maybe give me an insight into how propaganda works. An insight that perhaps others do not have ?

But enough of this deflection. The world cup is on. And that old saying "play the ball and not the player" applies here as much as it does on the pitch.

Re the CIA operating in Iran:

"CIA Director John Ratcliffe said the spy agency used “exquisite technologies that no other intelligence service” possesses to locate the aviator. At the same time, the CIA mounted a deception operation to mislead Iranians who also were trying to find him."

This was mentioned a lot on these threads. Because there was no internet in Iran. Therefore, people on the ground. Probably all dead or in jail now though, thanks to Mr T, who can't keep his mouth shut.

Trump details rescue of US crew downed in Iran | AP News

Do I need to link Trumps claim of arming the Kurds and protestors ? Or can we take that as a given ?

Back to the topic of the thread.

An Iranian delegation has landed in Switzerland ahead of further talks with the US on Sunday, with JD Vance having departed Washington to attend.

Speaking to reporters before boarding his flight, the US vice-president said he hoped to make progress on "the nuclear issue" and the "Lebanon ceasefire issue".

Earlier today, Iran's military claimed it was shutting the Strait of Hormuz in response to Israeli strikes in Lebanon. US Central Command said traffic in the waterway had continued.

The existing deal demands an "immediate and permanent" end to fighting on all fronts, including in Lebanon. A US official said on Friday that a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah had been reached, but the two have continued to exchange fire, each blaming the other for violating the agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c9wq95g0lx2t

Let's see if this huge US capitulation to Iranian demands even holds.

Those that were cheering so loudly when the US and Israel attacked Iran, even blowing up a girl's school, have long disappeared. The regime change operation has entirely failed, with a more hard line regime in place if anything. There will now be fees charged for SOH passage and Iran will be receiving some of their stolen assets back as well as some $$$ towards reparations.The US, the ME and the whole world economy are considerably worse off following this awful war than they were before. This whole mistaken fiasco, purely considering it from a strategy perspective, ignoring all other aspects, has been a disaster for the US and their allies.
I only hope the different factions can come to a long standing agreement but I am not optimistic, sadly.

From Reuters:

Lebanon's health ministry says 4,057 people have been killed in Israeli attacks since March 2, including medics, women and children, though it does not specify how many of the dead were combatants.

A pointless waste of lives.

It is amazing how fast the narrative has changed. From the dead protestors and total regime change, to what is essentially a Trump capitulation. But he paints it as a win. Even as he explains how Iran will need money to re-arm.

And Iran have not actually done anything. All they really done were Lego vids, and a few tweets trolling Trump. There has been no propaganda campaign to justify killing protestors. Nothing. The only thing they have really capitalised on is the school. Clip from current CNN feed attached.

It is all Trump. He started it, escalated it, slowed it, changed it by adding his blockade. He has now capitulated. Given Iran what they want, and now it's Netanyahu who is blowing that up.

Iran have done practically nothing propaganda wise, or on defending their actions. It is all Trump.

And I think for anyone wondering why Iran went back to enriching their uranium after Trump tore up the JCPOA, here is the answer. It was to get sanctions lifted. And Trump signed the MOA to lift the sanctions.

Given that Iran is a theocracy, it does not take a lot of imagination to think the Clerics in Iran are saying what side God is on. Trump has massively empowered the Regime, not overthrown it. And he done it himself. Iran just had to sit back and watch it, as they sipped tea.