Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

Trump is boasting that the US will get richer because of oil prices today. Thats right, do declare a war, make us all pay and then gloat about it. Beware what politicians you wish for , people!

Who the hell is advising him? Imagine telling your population that private oil companies are profiting whilst consumers are paying more for fuel to fill their cars and thinking it will improve your approval rating. Gas in LA yesterday reported at over $8 a gallon; more expensive than the UK which is quite extraordinary for the US.

What does "finishing" a war look like when those who started it didn't seem to know what their objectives were in any case?

"Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes."

https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

Didn't they sack a lot of experienced people?

Not sacked. Purged.

Russia is having a good war

https://www.ft.com/content/dd973148-b6a1-4096-97da-3090a058fe08

A great war! everybody else will lose.

We'll complain about rising prices and probably some shortages but the effective closure of the SofH means a loss of 30% of the worlds fertilizer which will primarily affect south Asia and Africa. Some parts of the world, who have nothing to do with this conflict and no control over those involved, will experience real hardship and possibly famine. If the situation isn't resolved soon we will all suffer but the collateral damage will be catastrophic and longer lasting for some. Let's hope the Houthis don't close the Bab-el-Mandeb too.

30% of the worlds helium supply is gone too.

@FOJNI doubt he cares.

Thanks. I didn't know that or anything about what helium was used for beyond party balloons and MRI scanners. I've cut and pasted some Google search info below for anyone who might be interested. A reduced supply is going to cause some problems judging by it manufacturing and industrial uses.

Helium is a critical, inert noble gas primarily used in liquid form for cryogenics (MRI scanners), cooling superconducting magnets in particle accelerators, and as a protective, non-reactive shielding gas for arc welding and manufacturing semiconductors/fiber optics. It is also used as a lifting gas for balloons and in breathing mixtures for deep-sea diving.

Key Uses of Helium:
*Cryogenics & Medical (approx. 25-30%): The largest use is cooling, particularly for superconductive magnets in Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) scanners.
*Manufacturing & Industrial (approx. 50%): Used in fiber optics and semiconductor manufacturing, as a purge gas for aerospace/rocketry (propellant pressure), and as an inert shield in arc welding to prevent oxidation.
*Scientific Research: Used to achieve temperatures near absolute zero for quantum studies and in particle accelerators like the Large Hadron Collider.
*Leak Detection: Due to its small atomic size, it is used to detect leaks in high-vacuum equipment, pipelines, and fuel systems.
*Breathing Mixtures: Combined with oxygen to create heliox for deep-sea diving to prevent nitrogen narcosis.
*Lifting Gas: Used in party balloons, parade balloons, and airships.

It will have the typical American finish. Declare victory and leave. Just like with Vietnam.

Doesn't feel the same this time.

If us exits, isra will be an easy target to ira n'smissiles.
Thus mossad is gonna extort the orange man until the last us patriot is fired.

I was being sarcastic because the US doesn't have a hope in hell of ending a theocracy in Iran, unless they are committed to killing every single Iranian who opposes their leaders. This will require significant US boots on the ground with US deaths in a protracted war of attrition.

The off-ramp option is to define 'victory', for example, by saying they've stopped Iran's nuclear weapon capability and leave, while ignoring the chaos and more suffering they've caused. But that's putting America first, isn't it.

How ironic that the latest scientific info is that Iran's nuclear programme wasn't about weapons grade uranium enrichment, and Iran was in talks as to the scope of their nuclear program when Operation Epic Fury was launched.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/iran-was-nowhere-close-to-a-nuclear-bomb-experts-say/

It's not just putting America first.

It's any of Iran's many enemy countries that will be grateful (or should be grateful) if they are stopped from developing nuclear capability.

That happened last June according to the WH, to say otherwise was fake news.

😂True!

Is this not seen as a concern? Just aside from all the different takes if Iran did get this it’d be pretty dangerous for everyone given what could kick off.

Or do people think Iran would have nuclear capability and do nothing with it

God knows ...it would be of grave concern to me if I were living anywhere close enough for Iran to target.

Not exactly showing a cool head/good judgement at the moment with the way they have even attacked their neighbours.

I think they’d use whatever they had and the RoW would likely respond. It could be a pretty severe outcome and not just those close by.

I’m not sure why people are more sanguine over Iran and nuclear capability.

Trump didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart and sympathy for the travails of the ordinary Iranian man in the street. It's always about putting America Trump first. Unfortunately he's being played by Putin and Netanyahu but as a pp said, "follow the money.
I would add, 'and the Epstein files'.

Literally no one says that Trump is doing this out of the goodness of his heart so I don't know why people feel the need to keep "explaining" this.

As to whether he's being played though ... he is very cunning and has street smarts which is why he has been so successful in life. He may say stupid things but he will not be a naive person or one easily played.

The relationship he has with other world leaders is for mutual benefit. If he no longer sees much benefit, the relationship breaks down (see, Starmer).

The relationships Trump has are primarily with Putin and Netanyahu.
The war benefits them both.

Anything that boosts the Russian economy puts Ukraine and Europe at risk.

And on the 28th February there very much was discourse on MN that centred around Trump saving Iran from the regime. We can still read it.

Iran has had nuclear capability for almost seventy years.* Iran has signed the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapon which has been consistently opposed by the USA.*

Iran nuclear history from ChatGPT:
1957 – Iran began its nuclear program with the United States under the “Atoms for Peace” initiative. Atoms for Peace program
1967 – Iran’s first reactor, the Tehran Research Reactor, started operating with U.S.-supplied enriched uranium. This gave Iran basic nuclear research capability.
1970 – Iran signed the Nuclear Non‑Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapon state.
1974 – Creation of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, expanding plans for nuclear power plants.
2011 – Iran’s first commercial nuclear power station, the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, began generating electricity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/04/us-israel-strikes-iran-nuclear-program-could-backfire

There certainly was a lot of talk about regime change.

A lot of dialogue about saving Iranian women, and anyone who expressed doubt about women being saved was told they were a heartless apologist for the regime, while sitting on their sofa in Chelsea.