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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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mids2019 · 10/03/2026 07:33

When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

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BerthaPotts · 13/03/2026 15:16

The biggest winner right now from this war is Putin. I don't believe Trump is too upset by that.

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:16

quantumbutterfly · 13/03/2026 15:12

Why does Saudi have a mutual defence pact with nuclear(?) Pakistan. Maybe they don't trust their neighbours.

https://www.ft.com/content/3f67fdd9-8d85-485a-980a-addab8f1a540

Article is behind a paywall, so I couldn't read it, but off the top of my head, I would speculate that Pakistan's pact with Saudi Arabia is based on the supply of oil.

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 15:17

raffegiraffe · 13/03/2026 15:03

They didn't attack their neighbours. They attacked bases within neighbours countries. Why are there so many bases?

Dubai’s financial district has been hit, what do you mean by bases?

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 15:21

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:12

Some of their neighbours are perceiving it as an attack, such as Qatar. As a response to Iran's strikes, they want to bolster security partnership with the US.

The spokesperson, Majed Al Ansari, told a media briefing on Tuesday the security partnership with the United States was not in question, but added that its deals with the U.S. and European countries need to be strengthened.

"The partnerships are the main stop-gap and deterrent against any attack on our country," he added.

"When things go out of control and spiral, the result is deterrents do not work... But that doesn't mean you shouldn't have deterrents. You should strengthen these deterrents and that is exactly what are we trying to do right," Al Ansari said.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-wants-bolster-security-partnership-with-us-after-irans-strikes-2026-03-10/

Qatar and others definitely shifted after Iran struck them.

raffegiraffe · 13/03/2026 15:25

quantumbutterfly · 13/03/2026 15:12

Why does Saudi have a mutual defence pact with nuclear(?) Pakistan. Maybe they don't trust their neighbours.

https://www.ft.com/content/3f67fdd9-8d85-485a-980a-addab8f1a540

Who is they in your post?

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:26

This latest war instigated by Israel and the US has probably proven to Iran why their strategy of not having nukes has cost them.

Ukraine has evidence as to why it came to the same conclusion a while ago.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:27

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 15:21

Qatar and others definitely shifted after Iran struck them.

Yes it was a miscalculation on the part of the Iranian regime.

Amongst many others mistakes such as the Iranian negotiators boasting during negotiations with the US that they “were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Also boasting about having “an inalienable right” to enrich their nuclear fuel.

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 15:29

i thought the US had dealt with the nuclear threat - what was fake news?

Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?
raffegiraffe · 13/03/2026 15:31

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 15:17

Dubai’s financial district has been hit, what do you mean by bases?

I hadn't seen that on my news til now. Thanks for letting me know.
In a situation like this your enemies enemy is not your friend

ActoBelle · 13/03/2026 15:33

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 15:29

i thought the US had dealt with the nuclear threat - what was fake news?

I was saying this the other day, that it’s not that long since Trump was saying the USA had obliterated Irans nuclear capabilities. But then only weeks later their nuclear capability is the reason for bombing them. Trump is insane, look at what he did to the Venezuelan president. This is about oil, control, power, not looking weak when someone doesn’t roll over and he’s worried about votes. I really hope he will be before a war crimes commission before long but sadly I doubt even the UN have the balls to do that. Can you imagine trying to arrest him and take him to an international court?

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:37

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 15:17

Dubai’s financial district has been hit, what do you mean by bases?

An Iranian official had warned on Wednesday that it would target banks and economic centres linked to the US and Israel.
A number of major banks, including American lenders, have offices in Dubai's financial district as it serves as an international financial hub.

US & Israeli owned/linked, so not unsimilar to support bases, iyswim. Now if Iran had hit CBUAE office in Dubai...

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:39

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:27

Yes it was a miscalculation on the part of the Iranian regime.

Amongst many others mistakes such as the Iranian negotiators boasting during negotiations with the US that they “were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

Also boasting about having “an inalienable right” to enrich their nuclear fuel.

Links please, for full context and info.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/03/2026 15:50

quantumbutterfly · 13/03/2026 14:38

Not just the women, though many of us can empathise, but anyone can be a target of this regime. Your grown arse adult son could be sentenced to hang, or your husband. Those killed and maimed by the regime psychos were all sexes, all ages. Over and over, year after year.
Back in the day Khomeini wrote to Gorbachev offering the solace of Islam because Marxism had failed (bit ungrateful because they were instrumental in bringing him to power). He politely declined and the track record of autocratic theocracy in Iran puts the lie to that as a great solution too.
It's a hot mess, but if Iran was not behind Islamist terrorism, arming Russian expansionism in Ukraine, and training in Venezuela with their buddies in the drug cartels of South America, they might have been left to crack on in their butchery like Syria, Afghanistan and various other countries with fascinating history & culture but bugger all concession to the fondly held notion of human rights.

Sorry yes I agree with your post, everyone is under threat from this regime.

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:51

@Twiglets1 it was easy to trace your quote and its truth is questionable.

“They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

This account was reported by Steve Witkoff, including in an interview on Hannity on Fox News.
There is no independent confirmation that Iranian negotiators actually said this, and Iran has not acknowledged it.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:51

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:37

An Iranian official had warned on Wednesday that it would target banks and economic centres linked to the US and Israel.
A number of major banks, including American lenders, have offices in Dubai's financial district as it serves as an international financial hub.

US & Israeli owned/linked, so not unsimilar to support bases, iyswim. Now if Iran had hit CBUAE office in Dubai...

Iran has been striking Dubai a lot:

The United Arab Emirate's Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh has called on Iran to end its strikes on countries in the region and vowed that her country would "bounce back".

More than 1,800 drones and missiles have been projected at the UAE since the war began, she said.

The extent of the attacks came as a "shock", she told the BBC.

Some of the UAE's best known buildings have been damaged - including Fairmont The Palm hotel, in the luxurious Palm Jumeirah area, and the Burj Al Arab hotel.

Drones have landed near the Dubai International Airport and thousands of flights to the UAE have been cancelled.

However Nusseibeh refused to be drawn on whether her country would retaliate militarily against Iran.

"We were clear prior to the start of this escalation that the UAE would not allow its territory or airspace to be used in any attacks against Iran," she said.

Asked if retaliatory strikes were off the table, she replied: "We will reserve the right for collective self defence under international law."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8lzn2ejpjo

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:57

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:51

Iran has been striking Dubai a lot:

The United Arab Emirate's Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh has called on Iran to end its strikes on countries in the region and vowed that her country would "bounce back".

More than 1,800 drones and missiles have been projected at the UAE since the war began, she said.

The extent of the attacks came as a "shock", she told the BBC.

Some of the UAE's best known buildings have been damaged - including Fairmont The Palm hotel, in the luxurious Palm Jumeirah area, and the Burj Al Arab hotel.

Drones have landed near the Dubai International Airport and thousands of flights to the UAE have been cancelled.

However Nusseibeh refused to be drawn on whether her country would retaliate militarily against Iran.

"We were clear prior to the start of this escalation that the UAE would not allow its territory or airspace to be used in any attacks against Iran," she said.

Asked if retaliatory strikes were off the table, she replied: "We will reserve the right for collective self defence under international law."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8lzn2ejpjo

What did you unpick Nusseibeh's comments to mean?

eta clarification of question

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 15:58

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:51

@Twiglets1 it was easy to trace your quote and its truth is questionable.

“They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

This account was reported by Steve Witkoff, including in an interview on Hannity on Fox News.
There is no independent confirmation that Iranian negotiators actually said this, and Iran has not acknowledged it.

I've provided the link above of where I read it.

You can disbelieve Steve Wikoff if you want, nothing anyone can say will change your mind if you don't trust the US.

What is indisputable is that Iran and the US could not reach agreement and the US ran out of patience.

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:02

Not everyone trusts or believes Witkoffs assessment or indeed his qualifications to make an assessment-

‘The Trump administration’s failure to exhaust diplomacy and send a qualified team to negotiate with Iran is inexcusable, given the devastating consequences of the war the United States and Israel have ignited. Although the strikes might set Iran’s nuclear program back, the proliferation dangers will not be "obliterated" through miltiary strikes alone. At the end of this conflict, the Iranian government will retain the knowledge—and likely some of the key materials—necessary to develop and build nuclear weapons, and perhaps a greater political motivation to do so.
If there is a diplomatic opening to reach an effective nuclear deal with Iran in the future, Trump should replace Witkoff as his lead negotiator. Witkoff’s failure to learn the nuclear file and surround himself with the technical expertise necessary to negotiate an effective deal was a diplomatic disservice to U.S. and international nonproliferation goals.—KELSEY DAVENPORT, director for nonproliferation policy

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2026-03-11/us-negotiators-were-ill-prepared-serious-nuclear-negotiations-iran

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:03

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:57

What did you unpick Nusseibeh's comments to mean?

eta clarification of question

Edited

That she's very pissed off with Iran and shocked that they would attack Dubai across multiple areas including airports, hotels etc (civilian buildings).

That she isn't ruling out that the UAE might retaliate against Iran which they would categorise as defensive rather than offensive.

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:05

The link I shared earlier made it quite clear how ill prepared Witkoff was in the negotiations.

Worth remembering that he relied on Kremlin translators in his Russia negotiations.

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:06

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:05

The link I shared earlier made it quite clear how ill prepared Witkoff was in the negotiations.

Worth remembering that he relied on Kremlin translators in his Russia negotiations.

These posts seem to favour the IRGC in terms of trust, what makes you and others do so?

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:07

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:06

These posts seem to favour the IRGC in terms of trust, what makes you and others do so?

Edited

I don't understand what you are asking?

Who favours the IRGC in terms of trust?

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:10

I think the suggestion is that by raising concerns regarding US negotiations and their subsequent actions means that posters ‘trust’ the IRGC.
It’s an attempt to deflect and portray posters as pro authoritarian murderous regimes.

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