Protests in Iran increase

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7y0579lp8o.amp

https://www.crisisgroup.org from them

"Under octogenarian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, the system has faced repeated popular challenges to its rule, time and again crushing them with an iron fist and proceeding to govern as poorly as before. That approach bought it time, but success measured only by the maintenance of coercive power gave the country’s leaders little impetus to address the grievances underlying public discontent."

Against this backdrop, the outpouring of popular dissatisfaction spills across boundaries of geography, class and gender: it includes dissent in the bazaar, anger on university campuses and tumult in neglected peripheries. Everywhere the marchers are both men and women, young and old, secular and pious. The regime has reverted to its default posture – the use of force – but perhaps with a greater sense of existential peril than in the past. Even before the protests began, some close to the system’s inner circles were cognisant of having reached a dead end.

It's sad that many don't care about these protestors who want better for their country. Seems some want them to stay downtrodden under a regime that will crush anyone who dares speak out against it.

According to some it's all 'A ok there' and it's 'The West' causing trouble and there's nothing going on.....

Young people being prepared for and taken to their executions today for protesting against a regime that has oppressed and commited atrocities against its own people for decades and you are posting this nonsense.

Have you no shame?

I’m embarrassed for you.

According to other posts here, you don't speak for Iranians in Iran either.

This thread is insane.

We (the west) do not have a legal basis nor the moral standing to carry out a regime change in another country based on information which has not been verified one way or the other and approved by the majority of the international community. It really is as simple as that.

If you want to lobby against killing people and torture, in any country, and lobby for humane governments which prioritise all people's needs, do that. You will have a lot of supporters.

Miller is utterly deranged. Proof that antisemitism rots the brain.

The source was a US report, first thing to come up on google. I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about, do you?

I can play this game too (even though it is very low brow):

Is Melina Asadi a 3 year old Iranian Girl not important? murdered by "peaceful protestors" in Kermanshah when she went out with her father to the pharmacy last week:

https://x.com/TheCradleMedia/status/2010301460257378667?s=20

No-one can have any idea at the moment. Food, water, electricity out. Communication cut.

Just pray 🙏 for them.

And you should not be saying to posters "I do not believe that you are posting here in good faith". It is a well known marker, it is also against MN guidelines, and in my opinion just thoroughly shoddy.

I am posting in good faith. I didn't say I couldn't access sources, I asked for your sources as you gave specific percentages. And you are now saying you could but won't link them.

These people to be executed for merely protesting that they want change in their own country.

Shame on anyone who feels that is ok. These young people's voices will be silenced today. They are so, so brave. They wanted better and are met will a violent end.

Then we have the apologists, the deniers, the 'nothing to see', you are wrong. I ask them WHY ARE THE REGIME KILLING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE. Will you NOT CONDEMN THAT? Is that really ok?

What are your thoughts on Erfan Soltani @BelleHathor?

I will never ever forget how those poor young people were whipped for dancing to happy and posting it onto youtube.

Before the extremists took over, Iran was a forward nation. I wish all the best to it's people and hope they overthrow the regime to live happy and free lives.

Only someone in complete denial or with another agenda would try to minimise what is happening in Iran. We see it with our own eyes so you must have your eyes shut when you watch the news or maybe you choose not to.

For Belle to say the voices being amplified are the voices of Iranians not currently in Iran is to completely disregard the voices of the protestors we hear on our screens each day, risking their lives to try to bring about change in Iran.

The regime calls protesters 'terrorists'. So it slaughters them.

The thousands who have died whilst protesting are in Iran. That's where they were killed.

I don't have an agenda. Do you have an agenda?

I am not minimising anything either.

I know. It's sickening the arguments some people will use just to not condemn what the Iranian government is doing to their own people.

I’ll say what I like, thanks.

All you need to do is scroll down beyond the AI overview that you are so fixated on, to look at the numerous sources that tell us that the regime’s stats are not accurate at all, and why.

But you won’t do that.

Why?

I’m not linking anything for you, because it is all available on the results page that you have direct access to already.

So to me, that indicates you are not posting in good faith.

I made a mistake - I meant:

"We (the west) do not have a legal basis or the moral standing to carry out a regime change in another country based on information which has not been verified one way or the other and such verification and action approved by the majority of the international community. It really is as simple as that".

Saying someone is not posting in good faith is basically troll hunting. I have already said i am posting in good faith.

You say I was looking at an AI overview - without basis - and in fact the source for my quote was from a US report.

Your posts are unacceptable. You can say what you like as you say, but your attitude does not add credence to what you say.

I’m listening to an Iranian woman speaking on behalf of women there where executions of women are the highest worldwide (although other state dictatorships might hide figures). Often without due process or a trial. @BelleHathorare you ok with that too?

Ending now it’s Negin Shiraghaei who is unsafe due to reporting. Do you deny that too?

I am not playing emotional gaslighting, back and forth games with any of the "we must support American intervention crew" especially when Iranian children are currently being shot by the armed "peaceful protestors"

I don't purport to speak for Iranians, but I have been speaking to a lot of Iranians in Iran daily since the end of the December when the initial shopkeeper's protests started over the exchange rate. That's why I knew about the Pompeo tweet on the 2nd of January, after the actual peaceful protests were hijacked and started to turn violent.

The general gist (even in anti government circles) seems to be, leave us the fuck alone, let Iranians decide what they want for Iran. The whole region is tired of the results of foreign intervention, who in Iran would support the country that armed Iraq to use chemical weapons on Iranians in the 1980s.

Trump is no saviour, he needs to manufacture consent as his base is against more foreign involvement.

The Neocon/Neolib position on Iran is very easy to understand, it was written about in an enlightening policy paper:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/which-path-to-persia-options-for-a-new-american-strategy-toward-iran/

There are two distinct styles of reports coming out of Iran, one saying what you are saying, and the other saying the opposite. Those saying the opposite are saying that the people you quote are being paid to cause unrest in Iran. I don't know exactly what is right and nor do you, but look at the street walk throughs in Iran before these riots - you can watch hundreds on youtube - peaceful people, women not wearing head scarves - does this not go against what you are being told? And all those people - what sort of life will they have if we go to war with Iran now? What sort of life will our young people have if they are forced into fighting world war three which will eventually follow?

You and others here really have no idea what this is all about. No one is saying that any country is perfect, but you are acting on unverified information which could push us into wwIII. Have a look at how wwI started - what is happening now is very similar - a lot of extreme and not always correct information trying to stir people up to fight each other. This was admitted afterwards.

There are better ways of fighting for human rights everywhere.

I’m not interested in people ignoring what’s happening so they can beat up the US for a bit.

There are plenty of voices from Iran who are highlighting the atrocities by the regime. Tg it’s not up to posting denying that on mn.

Some Iranians who have spoken up have also said they want to resolve this alone so clearly they are not speaking on behalf of the US.

Idk if they can do it alone, I dearly hope so.

I am not anti the US at all.

I am however very anti the idea of a world war, and the idea of people's lives being ripped apart.

You doubt Negin Shiraghaei a prominent BBC Persian journalist and news presenter?