Protests in Iran increase

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7y0579lp8o.amp

You’re not correct on this. It’s not it.

inamarina · Today 11:20
Why are you bringing in the Palestinians ?
What is it with those desperate attempts to deflect attention from the fact that thousands of people have been slaughtered by the regime in Iran in a matter of days

I’ve been wondering that.

@RedSongBird this is a thread about Iran I am not getting into a debate with you about decades of Palestinian history here.

It’s really odd, isn’t it?
The news coming out of Iran are absolutely dystopian.

And yet already the media lens is already shifting away.

I agree. It barely makes the news. I think part of that is due to lack of news getting out to discuss. Total internet shutdown. It's also not a trendy story, sadly, all those young people protesting and being slaughtered doesn't seem to garner interest 😕

Total Silence. Says a lot about them. No Jews no news is a comment that is often said, it appears correct.

Yep. I can’t get my head around the cognitive dissonance required to not understand that the Islamic Regime funded Hamas are cause of the current horrors in Gaza! Hamas started a war on Oct 7th knowing exactly what the reaction would be and using Palestinian people in Gaza as collateral damage. Hamas and the Regime care less than nothing about Gaza, other than as a tool to further the ultimate aim.
Destroying the regime and defunding Hamas is a good thing for Palestinians who want peace, a 2 state solution and to keep the aid money rather than it going to gangsters.
I support end to war, help for Gaza AND Iranians.

Glad its being investigated. That's awful, yet now massive outcry or concerns for the people there at all.

@Ihatetomatoes I think the lack of material is a bit of an excuse really. The activists in the diaspora are getting enough to get a picture of what is going on - its just being ignored. The international effort could focus on re-establishing connections and further pressure on the regime to make them enable connectivity.

I'm not diminishing how hard it is to get news out, or the terrible risk people are taking to get it out. Im just saying its an easy excuse.

Yes.

If the Iranian regime ended and the support/money/weapons etc ended fir Hanas, Hezbollah, The Houthis etc then its positive for Iranian people and Gazans. These terrorist organisations funded by Iran cause harm to their own people as well as to others. Strange people cannot make the connections 😕

I’ll stop mentioning Palestinians on this thread when everybody else does. It is possible to want a true democracy for Iran and justice for the Palestinians at the same time.

Iran is a hugely destabilising force in the ME. Getting rid of the Islamic Republic wouldn't magically solve everything but it would be a massive step forward and open new possibilities for constructive dialogue and engagement.

Nobody has suggested any different.

The only reason Palestinians are mentioned on this thread about IRAN is because the Iranian theocracy is arming and paying all the terrorists aka Hamas, Hezbollah, Houtis. HTH.

I think the UN might have an issue singling out Iran for the use of white phosphorus.

Oh well, best leave it then.

2 million people in Gaza, 20000+ dead children. If you scale that using Irans population it would be almost 1 million dead children. The death toll in Iran is nowhere close. It is not anywhere near the same situation. It's apples and oranges. If Iranians were all trapped in Iran being starved and blown up, with over 3million people killed then it would be somewhere close. It isn't. You don't insult someone advocating for donkeys because they haven't spoken up about zebra conservation. At least I wouldn't. I would be grateful that someone is speaking up for the donkeys and hopeful that the zebras also have people fighting their corner.

There are enough people across the world in a position to speak out that one or two issues per person should be more than enough to push change. We all have our limits as to what we can take on physically and mentally. Abusing people because they have reached that limit seems very cruel to me.

Young people should be encouraged to advocate for the vulnerable not called names and denigrated unlesss they are talking about every single vulnerable person across the globe. The level of vitriol towards her is completely out of proportion to her crime which is advocating for victims of one of the deadliest conflicts in recent history.

@ReturnOfTheToad gobsmacked.

Can you expand on that? You are gobsmacked that I don't feel that people need to advocate for everything everywhere and that dedicating your time to a few issues is better for the person advocating and probably better for the cause too rather than half arsed attempts to cover every conflict or injustice happening worldwide? I don't think that that is a particularly shocking view. I can't think of a single person that does advocate for everything nevermind it being the default that we are expected to adhere to or it's fair game to be insulted and abused.

No, of course you don’t have to advocate for eevrything. But if you or anyone else claims to be all about human rights and that everyone deserves a peaceful life, then you’re kidding yourself if you only care selectively. That isn’t human rights. A lot of people have shown exactly where they stand, and it’s become pretty clear that for many, Gaza has nothing to do with universal human rights and everything to do with hatred of Israel and Jewish people, which is frankly disgusting.

I am, and will always be, an advocate for freedom for Gaza because I genuinely believe in human rights. I also believe antisemitism is wrong, full stop. Jewish people do not deserve the hatred that’s been thrown at them simply because of their religion, yet many so-called pro-Palestine voices brush all Jewish people with the same brush. To me, that is not humanity and it completely undermines the moral argument they claim to stand on.

I believe everyone, everywhere, deserves freedom and dignity. What’s happening in another country does not suddenly change that belief for me. If anything, it reinforces it.

What’s actually ironic is that this is the complete opposite of what the so-called “proper people” are doing. People seem genuinely angry that the world has stopped paying attention to Palestine for five minutes and is trying to listen to other people who are also crying out for freedom. Apparently that’s unacceptable. Apparently empathy has limits. Apparently we can’t care about more than one injustice at a time

You can care and not speak out publicly. It isn't an either or situation. I donate to lots of charities and volunteer my time for instance I don't speak publicly about it though, it doesn't mean that I don't care. Caring ≠ having to put yourself out there for criticism, insults and abuse as has happened to her over speaking out for Gaza. She is allowed to try and protect herself. We have no idea what Greta has or hasn't done privately.

Agreed.

Greta Thunberg I couldn't care less about. She sets herself up as a moral arbiter, she will be judged by it.

You seem to have no comprehension at all of the Islamic Republic, the biggest sponsor of state terrorism in the world. The blood of thousands on their hands outside Iran. Inside Iran 10s of 1000s murdered and executed just in the decade after the revolution. Then an ongoing brutal theocratic dictatorship with the blood of 1000s on its hand since. And a staggering rate of killings in a few days in this recent phase. All against its own civilians. Gaza was a war, started by Iranian-backed Hamas. Completely different. But the disparity in the reaction to these two situations has been horrifying.