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HappyFace2025 · 24/01/2026 12:56

Very well said @Addybee

HappyFace2025 · 24/01/2026 13:00

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 12:52

You can care and not speak out publicly. It isn't an either or situation. I donate to lots of charities and volunteer my time for instance I don't speak publicly about it though, it doesn't mean that I don't care. Caring ≠ having to put yourself out there for criticism, insults and abuse as has happened to her over speaking out for Gaza. She is allowed to try and protect herself. We have no idea what Greta has or hasn't done privately.

I suspect as she hasn't said anything, when normally (aka Gaza/Israel), Greta is only too quick to comment publicly, she doesn't feel for the Iranian people in the same manner she does for Palestinians. Naturally that is her right.
However, she cannot claim to be a person of humanity and empathy that she does while not raising a banner hypothetically in the name of Iranian freedom from theocracy.

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 13:04

Addybee · 24/01/2026 12:46

No, of course you don’t have to advocate for eevrything. But if you or anyone else claims to be all about human rights and that everyone deserves a peaceful life, then you’re kidding yourself if you only care selectively. That isn’t human rights. A lot of people have shown exactly where they stand, and it’s become pretty clear that for many, Gaza has nothing to do with universal human rights and everything to do with hatred of Israel and Jewish people, which is frankly disgusting.

I am, and will always be, an advocate for freedom for Gaza because I genuinely believe in human rights. I also believe antisemitism is wrong, full stop. Jewish people do not deserve the hatred that’s been thrown at them simply because of their religion, yet many so-called pro-Palestine voices brush all Jewish people with the same brush. To me, that is not humanity and it completely undermines the moral argument they claim to stand on.

I believe everyone, everywhere, deserves freedom and dignity. What’s happening in another country does not suddenly change that belief for me. If anything, it reinforces it.

What’s actually ironic is that this is the complete opposite of what the so-called “proper people” are doing. People seem genuinely angry that the world has stopped paying attention to Palestine for five minutes and is trying to listen to other people who are also crying out for freedom. Apparently that’s unacceptable. Apparently empathy has limits. Apparently we can’t care about more than one injustice at a time

Absolutely.

Addybee · 24/01/2026 13:07

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 12:52

You can care and not speak out publicly. It isn't an either or situation. I donate to lots of charities and volunteer my time for instance I don't speak publicly about it though, it doesn't mean that I don't care. Caring ≠ having to put yourself out there for criticism, insults and abuse as has happened to her over speaking out for Gaza. She is allowed to try and protect herself. We have no idea what Greta has or hasn't done privately.

of course You don’t have to be shouting from the rooftops every time you donate to a charity. I don’t do that either but we don’t have a massive platform . But someone like Greta, who has a huge platform and presents herself as some kind of human rights or environmental activist, can’t just stay silent on things like this. At that point it starts to show that what she’s advocating for isn’t really about human rights at all, it’s about being selective with causes she thinks people should listen to her on.

That selectivity rubs me the wrong way not just from her, its from everyone with a platform to those without a platform.

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:12

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 12:56

Greta Thunberg I couldn't care less about. She sets herself up as a moral arbiter, she will be judged by it.

You seem to have no comprehension at all of the Islamic Republic, the biggest sponsor of state terrorism in the world. The blood of thousands on their hands outside Iran. Inside Iran 10s of 1000s murdered and executed just in the decade after the revolution. Then an ongoing brutal theocratic dictatorship with the blood of 1000s on its hand since. And a staggering rate of killings in a few days in this recent phase. All against its own civilians. Gaza was a war, started by Iranian-backed Hamas. Completely different. But the disparity in the reaction to these two situations has been horrifying.

Yes. Like I said apples and oranges. Donkeys and zebras. Yet here is Greta being insulted left, right and centre for not being some kind of oracle of all.

I have less than zero interest in getting into Iran with posters here. I just don't like seeing a young woman being piled on and abused because they aren't saying what people want, when they want.

I leave it there.

HappyFace2025 · 24/01/2026 13:15

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:12

Yes. Like I said apples and oranges. Donkeys and zebras. Yet here is Greta being insulted left, right and centre for not being some kind of oracle of all.

I have less than zero interest in getting into Iran with posters here. I just don't like seeing a young woman being piled on and abused because they aren't saying what people want, when they want.

I leave it there.

Completely missing the point about Greta.

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:18

Addybee · 24/01/2026 13:07

of course You don’t have to be shouting from the rooftops every time you donate to a charity. I don’t do that either but we don’t have a massive platform . But someone like Greta, who has a huge platform and presents herself as some kind of human rights or environmental activist, can’t just stay silent on things like this. At that point it starts to show that what she’s advocating for isn’t really about human rights at all, it’s about being selective with causes she thinks people should listen to her on.

That selectivity rubs me the wrong way not just from her, its from everyone with a platform to those without a platform.

But nobody with a platform talks about every injustice not just greta? It just doesn't happen. How could they possibly cover everything?

Greta stayed silent when it was 'just' hundreds of Palestinians being killed. She stayed silent when Palestinians were being bulldozed out of their homes. She stayed silent as women were sexually assaulted at checkpoints. She spoke up when it reached boiling point and 2 million of people were trapped with 1000s being killed. She is known for speaking about 1 of the deadliest conflicts in modern history not human rights in general.

38thparallel · 24/01/2026 13:21

I leave it there.

@ReturnOfTheToad why have you posted again then?

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 13:23

@ReturnOfTheToad so she's only interested in Gaza, not human rights? Why Gaza in particular?

Addybee · 24/01/2026 13:24

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:18

But nobody with a platform talks about every injustice not just greta? It just doesn't happen. How could they possibly cover everything?

Greta stayed silent when it was 'just' hundreds of Palestinians being killed. She stayed silent when Palestinians were being bulldozed out of their homes. She stayed silent as women were sexually assaulted at checkpoints. She spoke up when it reached boiling point and 2 million of people were trapped with 1000s being killed. She is known for speaking about 1 of the deadliest conflicts in modern history not human rights in general.

50,000 people being killed and over 300,000 people injured and how many more on death row is not just ‘human’ rights.

inamarina · 24/01/2026 13:51

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 12:21

2 million people in Gaza, 20000+ dead children. If you scale that using Irans population it would be almost 1 million dead children. The death toll in Iran is nowhere close. It is not anywhere near the same situation. It's apples and oranges. If Iranians were all trapped in Iran being starved and blown up, with over 3million people killed then it would be somewhere close. It isn't. You don't insult someone advocating for donkeys because they haven't spoken up about zebra conservation. At least I wouldn't. I would be grateful that someone is speaking up for the donkeys and hopeful that the zebras also have people fighting their corner.

There are enough people across the world in a position to speak out that one or two issues per person should be more than enough to push change. We all have our limits as to what we can take on physically and mentally. Abusing people because they have reached that limit seems very cruel to me.

Young people should be encouraged to advocate for the vulnerable not called names and denigrated unlesss they are talking about every single vulnerable person across the globe. The level of vitriol towards her is completely out of proportion to her crime which is advocating for victims of one of the deadliest conflicts in recent history.

The death toll in Iran is nowhere close

The death toll in Iran is yet to be confirmed, but it already looks like thousands or possibly tens of thousands been killed, and that in a matter of weeks.

HappyFace2025 · 24/01/2026 14:06

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:18

But nobody with a platform talks about every injustice not just greta? It just doesn't happen. How could they possibly cover everything?

Greta stayed silent when it was 'just' hundreds of Palestinians being killed. She stayed silent when Palestinians were being bulldozed out of their homes. She stayed silent as women were sexually assaulted at checkpoints. She spoke up when it reached boiling point and 2 million of people were trapped with 1000s being killed. She is known for speaking about 1 of the deadliest conflicts in modern history not human rights in general.

She did not stay silent and in case you've conveniently forgotten was a prime mover in getting boats to get past the blockade.

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 14:07

Its interesting that Zelenskyy, who really does have other things on his mind, has found the time to condemn what is happening in Iran, and the world's reaction to it.

inamarina · 24/01/2026 14:11

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 14:07

Its interesting that Zelenskyy, who really does have other things on his mind, has found the time to condemn what is happening in Iran, and the world's reaction to it.

Yes, I’ve noticed that too.

OpheliaIsntMad · 24/01/2026 14:52

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 13:18

But nobody with a platform talks about every injustice not just greta? It just doesn't happen. How could they possibly cover everything?

Greta stayed silent when it was 'just' hundreds of Palestinians being killed. She stayed silent when Palestinians were being bulldozed out of their homes. She stayed silent as women were sexually assaulted at checkpoints. She spoke up when it reached boiling point and 2 million of people were trapped with 1000s being killed. She is known for speaking about 1 of the deadliest conflicts in modern history not human rights in general.

I think Greta’s impassioned environmental campaign was respected by most people. It feels odd to see her wearing a keffiyeh and campaigning on another issue because it dilutes her original mission. Most campaigners do stick to their original agenda so as not to confuse or dilute their message.
If she stuck to her original mission she would seem more authentic than taking up a new cause and now she wears a keffiyeh. It would be fine if she just gave her support to the innocent Palestinians citizens and condemned Netanyahu. But the whole flotilla thing - It cheapens her image and makes her look a bit “rent a mob “
It’s also difficult to accept that she refuses to show any understanding of the trauma caused by October 7th.

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2026 14:56

inamarina · 24/01/2026 14:11

Yes, I’ve noticed that too.

I expect he knows about Russia sending Ukrainian grain to Iran and trading for weaponry (to use against Ukraine) and oil.

inamarina · 24/01/2026 14:59

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2026 14:56

I expect he knows about Russia sending Ukrainian grain to Iran and trading for weaponry (to use against Ukraine) and oil.

Exactly.

ReturnOfTheToad · 24/01/2026 15:02

HappyFace2025 · 24/01/2026 14:06

She did not stay silent and in case you've conveniently forgotten was a prime mover in getting boats to get past the blockade.

Yes, that was after Israel stated their intention to starve all Palestinians in Gaza of everything then trapped them and began bombing them all. She said nothing for the years prior. Nothing during the pogroms of 2023 across the West Bank, nothing about the torture and rape of children in Israeli prisons, nothing about the people being killed etc Like I said and no shade on her she said nothing until the situation became critical.

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2026 15:04

Good thing the situation isn't critical in Iran 😶

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 15:19

quantumbutterfly · 24/01/2026 15:04

Good thing the situation isn't critical in Iran 😶

Well quite! I'm not going to give another thought to a pampered western adult who has chosen to be a global figurehead. Poor little Greta, my arse.

I prefer to amplify other voices. Here is Iranian Masih Alinejad's latest instagram post, translated by instagram.

Protests in Iran increase
inamarina · 24/01/2026 15:30

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 15:19

Well quite! I'm not going to give another thought to a pampered western adult who has chosen to be a global figurehead. Poor little Greta, my arse.

I prefer to amplify other voices. Here is Iranian Masih Alinejad's latest instagram post, translated by instagram.

No words… Those people are absolute psychopaths (the regime terrorists that is, since the screenshot is not visible in the quotation).

inamarina · 24/01/2026 15:35

Just saw this on X, that’s something Mahyar Tousi also mentioned on his recent podcast:

https://x.com/Hemadnazari/status/2015041351478657214

”Traditionally in Iran, funerals are marked by sorrow: sad music, Islamic sermons, and recitations from the Quran.
But here, something completely different is happening.
The music being played is the kind normally heard at weddings. People are clapping. They are dancing. At a funeral!
This is not celebration, it is protest. By rejecting religious rituals and replacing them with wedding music, people are sending a clear and defiant message: how deeply they despise this so-called “religious” government, how strongly they oppose the regime and its imposed ideology.”

Hemad Nazari (@Hemadnazari) on X

This is the funeral of a young protester who was killed by Islamic Regime last week. Traditionally in Iran, funerals are marked by sorrow: sad music, Islamic sermons, and recitations from the Quran. But here, something completely different is happeni...

https://x.com/Hemadnazari/status/2015041351478657214

SharonEllis · 24/01/2026 15:51

There is no end to the cruelty of this regime as they devise ever more heinous ways of manipulating and torturing the population.

Some of the families of the nearly 5,000 protesters killed during the protests are being told they must pay up to £16,000 to be allowed to bury their loved ones, The Telegraph understands. If they say they were part of the regime, the fee is waived.

Mahmood Amiry-Moghaddam, the director of Norway-based Iran Human Rights, said his colleagues have documented multiple cases across the country following the same pattern.
He said the regime aims to conflate the number of security forces killed and reduce the number of protesters killed.

Another motive is to prepare the ground for future executions of protesters. Families will later be coerced into publicly demanding the execution of those responsible for the deaths, rather than exposing the reality that protesters were killed and then falsely portrayed as security force members

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/24/iran-kills-protesters-force-families-pro-regime/?WT.mcid=tmgofftwpostprotesters-force-families-pro-regime/

Twiglets1 · 05/03/2026 11:50

Still no comment from Greta about the thousands of Iranian protestors who got killed by their own leadership, including more than 150 protestors.

Some human rights defender she turned out to be.

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