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Twiglets1 · 14/01/2026 15:02

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 14:54

I am not playing emotional gaslighting, back and forth games with any of the "we must support American intervention crew" especially when Iranian children are currently being shot by the armed "peaceful protestors"

I don't purport to speak for Iranians, but I have been speaking to a lot of Iranians in Iran daily since the end of the December when the initial shopkeeper's protests started over the exchange rate. That's why I knew about the Pompeo tweet on the 2nd of January, after the actual peaceful protests were hijacked and started to turn violent.

The general gist (even in anti government circles) seems to be, leave us the fuck alone, let Iranians decide what they want for Iran. The whole region is tired of the results of foreign intervention, who in Iran would support the country that armed Iraq to use chemical weapons on Iranians in the 1980s.

Trump is no saviour, he needs to manufacture consent as his base is against more foreign involvement.

The Neocon/Neolib position on Iran is very easy to understand, it was written about in an enlightening policy paper:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/which-path-to-persia-options-for-a-new-american-strategy-toward-iran/

Where is your proof that Iranian children are currently being shot by the armed "peaceful protestors"? Why would the protestors shoot children?

I've seen nothing of this, so would like to know if it's true or a figment of your imagination.

inamarina · 14/01/2026 15:07

justasking111 · 14/01/2026 14:27

What an odd thread. Defence and denial of atrocities committed by the ayatollahs for decades despite evidence to the contrary. Aw shucks it's all USA and Israel doing the nasty.

It’s utterly bizarre, isn’t it?

justasking111 · 14/01/2026 15:08

Twiglets1 · 14/01/2026 15:02

Where is your proof that Iranian children are currently being shot by the armed "peaceful protestors"? Why would the protestors shoot children?

I've seen nothing of this, so would like to know if it's true or a figment of your imagination.

AI perhaps

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:08

ilikepotatties · 14/01/2026 15:01

I am not anti the US at all.

I am however very anti the idea of a world war, and the idea of people's lives being ripped apart.

Most people are. The answer isn’t to deny or talk down the regime’s atrocities as in @BelleHathorposts.

As they do executions today.

I was listening to Lyse Doucet and an Iranian woman I didn’t catch her name, both outlined the real fear of citizens and that Iranians were capable of resolving this alone, so no argument for US involvement.

Posters do not need to put out misinformation on the protests and that there is no violence to say the same

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:09

ilikepotatties · 14/01/2026 14:49

Saying someone is not posting in good faith is basically troll hunting. I have already said i am posting in good faith.

You say I was looking at an AI overview - without basis - and in fact the source for my quote was from a US report.

Your posts are unacceptable. You can say what you like as you say, but your attitude does not add credence to what you say.

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Your posts are unacceptable.

Lol. Coming from the person who posted this:

I just watched - there are large numbers of peaceful Iranian protesters protesting against the rioters.

I have also seen on the news that the Iranian PM has held a press conference in which he says that arrested rioters have said that they were paid to riot and cause damage and kill and money streams originating outside Iran have been checked.

He said that arrested rioters had said that they were told to use firearms at other protesters and at officials, and that this was because Trump wanted an excuse to attack, and that the messages and payment came from outside Iran.

He said they had proof, they have checked messages and have proof of these and payment streams etc.

He also said that ambulances and mosques were attacked and that it is unlikely that muslims would be doing this, whatever their political affiliations.

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:10

Twiglets1 · 14/01/2026 15:02

Where is your proof that Iranian children are currently being shot by the armed "peaceful protestors"? Why would the protestors shoot children?

I've seen nothing of this, so would like to know if it's true or a figment of your imagination.

The same place as your proof of the 12'000 deaths......

But I posted above about 3 year old Mileni , there is also 8 year old Anila:

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2010730532683071845?s=20

I can also link the video of an Iranian police officer being kicked to death, but it is far too triggering.

COMBATE |🇵🇷 (@upholdreality) on X

Iranians in Isfahan say goodbye to Anila. She was 8. Killed by armed rioters and 'the Mossad agents who walked beside them' (Pompeo's words, not mine)

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2010730532683071845?s=20

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:11

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:10

The same place as your proof of the 12'000 deaths......

But I posted above about 3 year old Mileni , there is also 8 year old Anila:

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2010730532683071845?s=20

I can also link the video of an Iranian police officer being kicked to death, but it is far too triggering.

Are you hoping the regime is successful, post executions?

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:15

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:11

Are you hoping the regime is successful, post executions?

I'm not going back and forth with you EasternStandard, I hope Iranians in Iran the 90 million of them get what they desire.

Ihatetomatoes · 14/01/2026 15:15

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 14:50

I’m listening to an Iranian woman speaking on behalf of women there where executions of women are the highest worldwide (although other state dictatorships might hide figures). Often without due process or a trial. @BelleHathorare you ok with that too?

Ending now it’s Negin Shiraghaei who is unsafe due to reporting. Do you deny that too?

Executions of women are the highest worldwide. Awful. It's very easy to forget how lucky we are that we have the right to speak up, to protest, to vote to change government leaders. That we don't get executed.

They are really brave in Iran. Sadly, if 'The West' attempt to help we will be criticised by the supporters of the regime or others for 'interfering' but what's so wrong with 'interfering' when thousands are being slaughtered. Don't help out and let them be slaughtered and The West are also criticised.

It also appears there are many that are happy to just let people be killed because some of the country support the regime......or at least minimise what they do/excuse it away etc.

The highest executions of women worldwide - what a shocking statistic to hold.

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EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:16

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:15

I'm not going back and forth with you EasternStandard, I hope Iranians in Iran the 90 million of them get what they desire.

Right. You seem to be adding misinformation on the thread but don’t want to be questioned.

Ihatetomatoes · 14/01/2026 15:23

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:15

I'm not going back and forth with you EasternStandard, I hope Iranians in Iran the 90 million of them get what they desire.

Impossible and you know it. Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the President, all powerful and with the help of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps will get what THEY WANT. The 90 million people will have to accept what the Supreme leader wants.

Some want change. Some are protesting change. They are incredibly brave given the power and murder lust of the regime.

Some don't want change.

At the end of the day Iran has the highest number of executions of women. Strict Islamic rules govern daily life, enforced by "moral police," leading to potential consequences for perceived violations of dress or behaviour.

Has recently killed thousands of protesters who would like change. Is about to execute people who want change. Many people have fled to other countries and tell what it's like to live there.

Not a place many would choose to live. Currently sounds like hell on earth for the poor protesters, their families and friends.

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inamarina · 14/01/2026 15:24

SharonEllis · 14/01/2026 14:32

Miller is utterly deranged. Proof that antisemitism rots the brain.

That’s exactly the impression I got reading about him. How do people become like this?

Ihatetomatoes · 14/01/2026 15:25

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Ihatetomatoes · 14/01/2026 15:26

Unhappyitis · 14/01/2026 14:40

I will never ever forget how those poor young people were whipped for dancing to happy and posting it onto youtube.

Before the extremists took over, Iran was a forward nation. I wish all the best to it's people and hope they overthrow the regime to live happy and free lives.

Sadly, the regime and the army and police are far too powerful for protesters to overthrow alone.

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BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:28

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:16

Right. You seem to be adding misinformation on the thread but don’t want to be questioned.

Which misinformation? Or is just information that doesn't match your biases (which we all possess).

Anyway, I will leave you all to it and I hope that you get what you desire and that it's all that it seems to be.

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:28

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:15

I'm not going back and forth with you EasternStandard, I hope Iranians in Iran the 90 million of them get what they desire.

I didn’t see it as a desire to go back and forth with you at all.

She asked you a question, which many will be thinking, given your “contribution” to the thread.

Not every single citizen in a country ever gets what they desire.

Certainly not every one of the 90 million Iranians will get what they desire, so what you say you hope for is an impossibility.

It’s really curious that you couldn’t answer her question, but I guess you are too busy thinking about Mossad.

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:30

inamarina · 14/01/2026 15:24

That’s exactly the impression I got reading about him. How do people become like this?

When people get to this stage it does seem to resemble a mental illness - the conspiracy, paranoia etc, which is clear to everyone except for the raging antisemite.

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:34

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:28

I didn’t see it as a desire to go back and forth with you at all.

She asked you a question, which many will be thinking, given your “contribution” to the thread.

Not every single citizen in a country ever gets what they desire.

Certainly not every one of the 90 million Iranians will get what they desire, so what you say you hope for is an impossibility.

It’s really curious that you couldn’t answer her question, but I guess you are too busy thinking about Mossad.

Exactly, the impossibility of foreign intervention that started with the American led coup of democratically elected Mossadegh in 1953 during Operation Ajax.

Which led to the oppressive regime of the Shah and his infamous torturing by SAVAK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK which led to the revolution in 1979 and intervention today will lead to what?

Some people in the Pentagon need to familiarise themselves with blowback and the law of unintended consequences.

Other calling for this need ask themselves if they can guarantee who will get control of the 1000s of Missiles currently in Iran.

SAVAK - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

Twiglets1 · 14/01/2026 15:39

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:10

The same place as your proof of the 12'000 deaths......

But I posted above about 3 year old Mileni , there is also 8 year old Anila:

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/2010730532683071845?s=20

I can also link the video of an Iranian police officer being kicked to death, but it is far too triggering.

I never claimed to know there were definitely 12,000 deaths. How could I? No one knows the exact number of deaths so far.

My thread was about how over 12,000 people were feared dead. And I provided my sources for that estimate. For anyone who may not have seen that thread, I said A source inside Iran who was able to call out told CBS News on Tuesday that activist groups working to compile a full death toll from the protests, based on reports from medical officials across the country, believed the toll was at least 12,000, and possibly as high as 20,000.

I also posted that The opposition Iran International television network said Tuesday that its information suggested about 12,000 people were killed. A source in Washington with contacts in Iran told CBS News on Tuesday that a credible source had told him the toll was likely between 10,000 and 12,000.

How can we have definite numbers when the internet has been cut off for so many days? But it's generally considered that the number of deaths once established will be way higher than the verified deaths we know about so far.

Britain's Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper said in Parliament on Tuesday that her fear is that the number of deaths may prove to be significantly higher than the deaths that have been officially verified so far (currently standing at over 2,500).

Unlike you, I didn't post these numbers as fact but as the estimates of informed people inside Iran. By contrast you read a post on X and present it as fact.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5475259-over-12000-feared-dead-after-iran-protests

mumandmumber · 14/01/2026 15:47

Big news! Some of the fair weather pro Pal ‘humanitarians’ are finally starting to repost about Iran. Better late than never.
I think because Charities such as Choose Love have started they felt they didn't want to miss out.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2026 15:47

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:28

Which misinformation? Or is just information that doesn't match your biases (which we all possess).

Anyway, I will leave you all to it and I hope that you get what you desire and that it's all that it seems to be.

I think you’re deep in X algorithm going by your contributions to this thread.

I’m happy to listen to people such as Lyse Doucet, Negin Shiraghaei, other Iranian women. None of whom wanted US involvement so your argument falls down there. They have offered insight into what is happening.

We can all listen to voices that are not only delivered via an algorithm and for that I don’t think X is doing you any favours.

inamarina · 14/01/2026 15:49

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:30

When people get to this stage it does seem to resemble a mental illness - the conspiracy, paranoia etc, which is clear to everyone except for the raging antisemite.

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True. Ironically, people like that, with their spiraling out of control rage demonstrate perfectly why Jewish people need a homeland.

Vivi0 · 14/01/2026 15:53

BelleHathor · 14/01/2026 15:34

Exactly, the impossibility of foreign intervention that started with the American led coup of democratically elected Mossadegh in 1953 during Operation Ajax.

Which led to the oppressive regime of the Shah and his infamous torturing by SAVAK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK which led to the revolution in 1979 and intervention today will lead to what?

Some people in the Pentagon need to familiarise themselves with blowback and the law of unintended consequences.

Other calling for this need ask themselves if they can guarantee who will get control of the 1000s of Missiles currently in Iran.

Which led to the oppressive regime of the Shah and his infamous torturing by SAVAK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK which led to the revolution in 1979 and intervention today will lead to what?

Funny how you can call the Shah’s regime oppressive, but cannot bring yourself to say the same about the current regime.

Anyway, what intervention are you specifically talking about, because you suggest that the current protests themselves are foreign intervention.

I don’t believe you do care about what the people of Iran or what they want at all, because the people of Iran are out there sacrificing their own lives to protest for change, and you simply dismiss that as foreign intervention.

What does that say then?

That you believe that what the people of Iran really want is the current regime, and it is foreign agitators that want change.

So, I suppose I can answer EasternStandard’s question for you - yes, you do hope the current regime is successful post executions.

Glad we got there in the end.

SAVAK - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

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NLJansa · 14/01/2026 17:14

For the past several years, a particular user has been posting thinly veiled antisemitic conspiracy theories, along with links to blatantly antisemitic and pro-terrorist social media accounts, websites, and videos.

They have consistently defended violent and oppressive governments — China, Russia, Venezuela, Syria, Gaza, and now Iran. Apparently every authoritarian regime on the planet is misunderstood and actually a great leader, unless they happen to be Israeli. They have posted long articles meticulously documenting the death toll in Gaza while denying or downplaying the death toll in Iran; they berate others for not calling Gaza a genocide while simultaneously denying the genocide of the Uyghurs. Now they have arrived in this thread to wave the flag of the Khamenei regime while thousands are being killed by it as they type. It is depressing, but not surprising.

What is surprising is that @MNHQ has allowed this to continue for so long.

Despite numerous reports, and despite the fact that some of this user’s more egregious posts are occasionally deleted, the user remains. Meanwhile, others have been banned for far less, or have left entirely due to the hostility and hatred generated by posters like this.

Actually, scratch that — I’m not surprised at all. I know exactly why this is tolerated. It drives engagement. Controversy keeps people clicking. While users on a forum that was originally aimed at mothers are reading and responding to posts defending regimes that violently oppress women, they are also being served adverts for Boden and Disneyland. Perhaps this user is even a premium member — and we wouldn’t want a tiny little independent forum like MN to lose that money, would we?

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