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ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 16:50

inamarina · 17/01/2026 10:55

Just read this brilliant post on X in response to a Piers Morgan interview with Roger Waters:

https://x.com/__Injaneb96/status/2012174949075787971

(…) ”And then, with zero shame, you side with the murderers and say “they don't want regime change”, not because you care about Iranians, but because you are obsessed with hating America and Israel. So any filth is acceptable to you as long as it is “anti-American” and “anti-Israel”?” (…)

I think she is quoting Piers Morgan himself? This is the sort of thing Piers is saying to people he is interviewing. The people being interviewed then point out that this is not to do with being anti the US or anti Israel, but saying that external interest in Iran is neither about caring about the people nor democracy. It is about money and land and geopolitics.

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 16:55

Addybee · 20/01/2026 12:09

If we’re to believe the reported numbers, which I do, around 30,000 people have been killed in just a week. What greater sacrifice is there than people being willing to give up their lives for freedom?

I cannot understand how anyone can sit at the top, and watch this level of bloodshed, and be willing to overlook it simply to hold onto power. No one will convince me that people in those positions who claim to be religious genuinely believe in God. It’s about control, not belief. And if all of this is being done in the name of Islam, then I want no association with it.

And I don’t care how other Muslim countries or people choose to view us. You cannot convince me that supporting or backing a system or version of a religion that does this to its own people is anything other than disgusting and imnhumane.

I don't know if the numbers are right or not, but I am not sure where these figures are coming from - you either have official figures which are referring to non peaceful protesters who they say killed police officers and caused damage to clinics, ambulances, fire engines (who they say were funded by outside agents) - or you are looking at outside agents - or you are looking at non governmnet figures during a time of no internet and so I am not sure how these figures could be put together? I know you said you had spoken to relatives - but how would they know about the 30000 if they are just normal people?

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:02

RedSongBird · 20/01/2026 08:47

Well in an ideal world, the clerics would realise the games up and cede total power to the parliament who then calls fresh elections. Of course this isn’t an ideal world but one can only hope.

I understand what you have been saying (I don't necessarily completely agree but I absolute understand it and agree with quite a lot) - I am sorry you have been given such a hard time, it is bizarre that few posters want a real discussion.

How many people do you think support the clerics? How much direct power do clerics have over the government? Do you think a referendum about this would work, before parliamentary voting?

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:06

SharonEllis · 20/01/2026 06:09

Of course it would. No one thing will resolve the conflicts in the region but Iran is a hugely destabilising force.

Iran has vocally supported a 2 state solution. And if this were negotiated and agreed, then much of the instability and all of the funding of those who are involved in the Palestinian conflict would cease.
Bombing Iran on the other hand would cause huge instability.

HappyFace2025 · 20/01/2026 17:20

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:06

Iran has vocally supported a 2 state solution. And if this were negotiated and agreed, then much of the instability and all of the funding of those who are involved in the Palestinian conflict would cease.
Bombing Iran on the other hand would cause huge instability.

Hamas has never agreed to a two state solution. They want the whole of the current state of Israel. As Golda Meir stated many years ago "You cannot negotiate peace with someone who has come to kill you."

inamarina · 20/01/2026 17:28

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 16:50

I think she is quoting Piers Morgan himself? This is the sort of thing Piers is saying to people he is interviewing. The people being interviewed then point out that this is not to do with being anti the US or anti Israel, but saying that external interest in Iran is neither about caring about the people nor democracy. It is about money and land and geopolitics.

Why do you think she’s quoting Piers Morgan?
Just click on the link I posted, it’s clear that she’s expressing her views.

quantumbutterfly · 20/01/2026 17:30

HappyFace2025 · 20/01/2026 17:20

Hamas has never agreed to a two state solution. They want the whole of the current state of Israel. As Golda Meir stated many years ago "You cannot negotiate peace with someone who has come to kill you."

https://newlinesmag.com/spotlight/where-on-earth-is-mahmoud-ahmadinejad/

"Ahmadinejad’s metamorphosis – from a fanatic who said Israel’s existence was “an insult to all nations” and that its elimination would usher in a new Middle East “in which, with God’s grace and the assistance of nations, there won’t be a trace of America and the Zionists” into a supposedly sober-minded critic of the status quo – is enigmatic."

Where on Earth Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

The once fiery Iranian president, who built his reputation on anti-Israel vitriol, has been quiet despite the countries’ recent war — and his discreet trips abroad are attracting questions

https://newlinesmag.com/spotlight/where-on-earth-is-mahmoud-ahmadinejad/

SharonEllis · 20/01/2026 17:47

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:06

Iran has vocally supported a 2 state solution. And if this were negotiated and agreed, then much of the instability and all of the funding of those who are involved in the Palestinian conflict would cease.
Bombing Iran on the other hand would cause huge instability.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Twiglets1 · 20/01/2026 17:52

What a joke. From September 2025:

Iran rejects Arab-Islamic summit’s call for two-state solution

Iran rejected references to a two-state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the final communique of the Arab-Islamic emergency summit in Doha, saying the approach would not resolve the issue and accusing US policies of sustaining Israeli aggression.

“Iran reiterates that the so-called two-state solution will not solve the Palestinian issue,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by state media. “The only real and lasting solution is the establishment of a single democratic state through a referendum with the participation of all Palestinians, inside and outside the occupied territories.”

It added that Tehran “disassociates itself from any reference to this concept and similar notions, including East Jerusalem, the 1967 borders and related terms, mentioned in the communique.”

www.iranintl.com/en/202509165715

Ihatetomatoes · 20/01/2026 22:41

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:06

Iran has vocally supported a 2 state solution. And if this were negotiated and agreed, then much of the instability and all of the funding of those who are involved in the Palestinian conflict would cease.
Bombing Iran on the other hand would cause huge instability.

Seriously, you're making things up now

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SharonEllis · 20/01/2026 22:41

Ihatetomatoes · 20/01/2026 22:41

Seriously, you're making things up now

Noone is falling for it!

Addybee · 20/01/2026 23:13

I’m not entertaining the pro-regime troll and wont be responding to anything to them either.. but enjoying seeing them make a fool of themselves defending something they know nothing about.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:04

ilikepotatties · 20/01/2026 17:02

I understand what you have been saying (I don't necessarily completely agree but I absolute understand it and agree with quite a lot) - I am sorry you have been given such a hard time, it is bizarre that few posters want a real discussion.

How many people do you think support the clerics? How much direct power do clerics have over the government? Do you think a referendum about this would work, before parliamentary voting?

That’s the million dollar question right there. All the Iranians I know want them gone but they do tend to be what you would call upper middle class not living in Iran and also not religious. It is how many in Iran support the clerics that is the question. Are the protests purely as a result of the dire economic situation or is it a desire to be a true democracy. At the moment, the clerics have absolute control over the government to the point the government is simply a formality. A referendum would answer that question but it would need to be an honest referendum and I don’t know how that could be guaranteed right now.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:12

@Twiglets1, “The only real and lasting solution is the establishment of a single democratic state through a referendum with the participation of all Palestinians, inside and outside the occupied territories.”

Could I ask what is so wrong with that.

Twiglets1 · 21/01/2026 07:18

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:12

@Twiglets1, “The only real and lasting solution is the establishment of a single democratic state through a referendum with the participation of all Palestinians, inside and outside the occupied territories.”

Could I ask what is so wrong with that.

It’s not a 2 state solution.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:23

Twiglets1 · 21/01/2026 07:18

It’s not a 2 state solution.

Well obviously it’s not but what’s wrong with it.

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:34

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:23

Well obviously it’s not but what’s wrong with it.

This is a thread about Iran not Palestine.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:36

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:34

This is a thread about Iran not Palestine.

Yes and that is a statement that the Iranians made so it is relevant.

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:45

No its not relevant. This is a thread about Iran.

What I suppose is relevant is that you are asking what is wrong with the Iranian regimes's rejection of a two state solution and imposition of a single Palestinian state.

Everyone knows the Islamic Republic is committed to the destruction of Israel and Jews. This was only mentioned because someone laughably suggested that the Islamic Republic supports a 2 state solution. Its not news that they do not, and I can't see what there is to debate. Even if you support that position I for one won't be debating it.

inamarina · 21/01/2026 07:52

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:36

Yes and that is a statement that the Iranians made so it is relevant.

The Iranians or the Iranian government? They might have different ideas on this issue.
Israel was founded specifically as a Jewish state to provide self-determination for the Jewish people.
A one state solution would lead to a demographic shift and make Jews a minority within that new state.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 07:55

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:45

No its not relevant. This is a thread about Iran.

What I suppose is relevant is that you are asking what is wrong with the Iranian regimes's rejection of a two state solution and imposition of a single Palestinian state.

Everyone knows the Islamic Republic is committed to the destruction of Israel and Jews. This was only mentioned because someone laughably suggested that the Islamic Republic supports a 2 state solution. Its not news that they do not, and I can't see what there is to debate. Even if you support that position I for one won't be debating it.

The quote does not say a single Palestinian state at all. It says a single democratic state with the participation of the Palestinians. That doesn’t sound like the Iranians calling for the destruction of Israel and Jews. All I’m asking is what is so wrong with the Iranians calling for that.

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:59

You are deliberately cutting the line before 'Iran reiterates that the so-called two-state solution will not solve the Palestinian issue,”

You know full well that is calling for the end of Israel.

You know full well that the Islamic Republic is committed to the destruction of Israel and has been since its creation.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 08:04

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 07:59

You are deliberately cutting the line before 'Iran reiterates that the so-called two-state solution will not solve the Palestinian issue,”

You know full well that is calling for the end of Israel.

You know full well that the Islamic Republic is committed to the destruction of Israel and has been since its creation.

I’m sorry but that statement by the Islamic Republic of Iran does not call for the destruction of Israel. I’m not saying that they haven’t in the past but that recent statement definitely does not. So once again, what is wrong with that statement.

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 08:06

I am not debating the existence of Israel with you or anyone else.

RedSongBird · 21/01/2026 08:11

SharonEllis · 21/01/2026 08:06

I am not debating the existence of Israel with you or anyone else.

I’m not questioning the existence of Israel. From that statement, I would say Iran isn’t either now. To me that sounds like a really pragmatic solution that Iran is calling for. If you don’t agree, please explain why.

@Twiglets1 , thanks for that quote. I hadn’t seen it before and it’s quite enlightening.