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Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

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Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:24

Hamas appears to be preparing to exact vengeance on those opposed to its rule in Gaza. This will come in the form of mafia-like murders of those Hamas claims are “collaborators.” It will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to Hamas. It will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

A Telegram channel linked to Hamas said the group would target “collaborators.”

The BBC reported that “Hamas recalls 7,000 fighters to reassert control over Gaza as fears of renewed internal violence emerge following the withdrawal of Israeli forces. The mobilisation has been widely anticipated as uncertainty grows about who will govern Gaza once the war ends - this is a key sticking point for later phases of Trump's plan.”

Hamas has long used mafia-like gangland tactics to keep people in check in Gaza. This goes back to how the group emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Hamas leaders such as Yahya Sinwar were known for brutally murdering “collaborators” back then. Sinwar is dead but his tactics live on. Hamas has lost a lot of its larger weapons but it retains AK-47s and can use them to murder people. Videos have already emerged of Hamas allegedly murdering people.

The brutality of the organization has also been revealed in a New York Times article that shows how Sinwar and Hamas planned to murder Israelis and burn communities on October 7.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

Hamas, Palestinian rioters clash in Gaza over executions | The Jerusalem Post

Hamas will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to the terror group - it will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

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Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:33

It sounds like a civil war is likely after the IDF withdraw further.

It will be "no Jews no news" I expect and the infighting accepted with a shrug.

From Israel's point of view, I hope they get their hostages home and leave them to it.

But it does make you wonder who is going to pay billions of dollars/euros/pounds to rebuild Gaza if there still isn't going to be peace there.

This is why Hamas have to be destroyed because apparently they haven't had enough violence yet to satisfy them.

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billysboy · 12/10/2025 07:33

They will all be fighting amongst themselves before any agreement is signed on Monday
the Gazan people need to rise up against this , not sure how , unless they do it will be an endless cycle

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:39

billysboy · 12/10/2025 07:33

They will all be fighting amongst themselves before any agreement is signed on Monday
the Gazan people need to rise up against this , not sure how , unless they do it will be an endless cycle

It does seem an endless cycle of violence.

People were starting to say surely Hamas are no longer a threat, yet they can call up 7,000 fighters now the IDF have withdrawn a bit.

They are still a threat, mostly to the safety and security of their own people.

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SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 07:51

Yes I'd like to hear from those who told us so confidently that Hamas was no longer a threat to Israel or their own people. As ever, ordinary civilians caught in the crossfire. Who is going to protect them?

I also wonder how aid is distributed in these areas if they are full of Palestinian militants fighting? And no doubt the 'Hamas Health Ministry' won't be reporting the casualty figures either.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:52

BBC reporter: In Gaza, there is a high risk of internal fighting

Earlier, we reported that Hamas had recalled about 7,000 members of its security forces to reassert control over parts of Gaza recently vacated by Israeli troops.

People living in these areas have found this development upsetting. After two years of devastation, many were expecting Hamas to treat them well – helping them find food and shelter.

Instead, they are being met in some places by people wearing masks and carrying guns. There is a high risk of internal fighting, something Palestinians have experienced before.

A human rights activist today told me the recipe for civil war was there.

This has also raised concerns because people had been told that Hamas would hand over its weapons as part of the ceasefire deal. But in its statement on Friday, the group did not say anything about disarming.

A Hamas official today told the BBC its weapons were “legitimate” and would “remain as long as the occupation continues”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cder1pg17yrt

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HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 07:55

All the aid will be seized and sold at a profit, however Hamas won’t be going hungry.

When will the Arab nations send in a peacekeeping force to deal with Hamas?

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 07:56

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 07:55

All the aid will be seized and sold at a profit, however Hamas won’t be going hungry.

When will the Arab nations send in a peacekeeping force to deal with Hamas?

Good question. It cant be america or Israel as that would be 'occupation'.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:57

Have a strong suspicion that what Hamas will do on Monday is hand over the hostages. But what they won't do is hand over their weapons.

So many countries have expressed willingness to help rebuild Gaza. But I think that could change if it becomes obvious that Hamas won't leave or demilitarise.

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dairydebris · 12/10/2025 08:04

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:57

Have a strong suspicion that what Hamas will do on Monday is hand over the hostages. But what they won't do is hand over their weapons.

So many countries have expressed willingness to help rebuild Gaza. But I think that could change if it becomes obvious that Hamas won't leave or demilitarise.

I'm worried Hamas won't have located all the hostages / remains and Israel will return to attacking.
Hard to have hope today.

Hamas has always been the problem and will continue to be the problem as long as they exist.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 08:04

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 07:56

Good question. It cant be america or Israel as that would be 'occupation'.

I would not even be willing to do it if I were America or Israel. They wouldn't be able to do a thing that wouldn't be heavily criticised.

We need an Arab peacekeeping force or maybe the UN peacekeeping force.

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Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 08:08

dairydebris · 12/10/2025 08:04

I'm worried Hamas won't have located all the hostages / remains and Israel will return to attacking.
Hard to have hope today.

Hamas has always been the problem and will continue to be the problem as long as they exist.

It's very likely that all the remains won't be found by then but that seems to have been accepted by Israel.

From the BBC:

This morning Israeli public radio, Kann Radio, reports that Israeli officials expect the hostages to be released from captivity tomorrow morning, an assessment that was reinforced by a public interview given yesterday evening by Osama Hamdan, a senior Hamas official.

Israel's public broadcaster reports that Gal Hirsch, the government's hostage coordinator, has written to the hostages’ families.

In their report, it says Hirsch has told them that the international task force would begin to act as soon as the hostages are released to find all of the deceased hostages whose remains are not returned to Israel by tomorrow afternoon and return them to Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cder1pg17yrt

Aid groups scale up relief in Gaza as Starmer prepares to join Trump at Egypt ceasefire summit - live

The prime minister will join 20 other leaders in Sharm El-Sheikh on Monday where the Gaza ceasefire plan will be signed, Downing Street says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cder1pg17yrt

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billysboy · 12/10/2025 09:16

i wonder how much of the needed aid will make it to the civilian population
hamas will make sure they are well fed
how many of the people on the protest marches will be on their way over there in the coming weeks for a stint of helping out ?

they will be fighting amongst themselves before long

Jujujudo · 12/10/2025 12:43

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 07:51

Yes I'd like to hear from those who told us so confidently that Hamas was no longer a threat to Israel or their own people. As ever, ordinary civilians caught in the crossfire. Who is going to protect them?

I also wonder how aid is distributed in these areas if they are full of Palestinian militants fighting? And no doubt the 'Hamas Health Ministry' won't be reporting the casualty figures either.

Nobody cares about about the Palestinians killing each other! They only care when it’s Jews doing it! We should know that by now. I notice there’s radio silence from all the “pro Palestinian” lot about this, unless it’s to blame the Israelis somehow which I’m sure they will!

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 12/10/2025 13:08

Surely not? I thought Hamas were saintly freedom fighters fighting for their right to exist against the evil Israeli regime? They couldn't possibly be the actual murderous terrorist organisation that ordinary, sane people know them to be, could they?

Pasly · 12/10/2025 13:11

Jujujudo · 12/10/2025 12:43

Nobody cares about about the Palestinians killing each other! They only care when it’s Jews doing it! We should know that by now. I notice there’s radio silence from all the “pro Palestinian” lot about this, unless it’s to blame the Israelis somehow which I’m sure they will!

Nobody cares about about the Palestinians killing each other
And you know that how?

People are extremely concerned about what happens in Gaza and how it is going to be managed and supported in the aftermath of the past two years. Civil unrest is a huge possibility and the vast majority of people do not and never wanted Hamas to remain in Gaza.

Frank Gardener highlights the issues well:

Frank Gardner
Security correspondent

The big question is how is security going to prevail in Gaza once this first phase is complete? It's a part of the world that has been absolutely shattered over the last two years.

We're already seeing growing signs of the risks of civil conflict turning up.

Hamas has reportedly mobilised thousands of its fighters to kind of establish law and order, to stop rival clans trying to take over areas.

To try to stop anarchy, basically.

What is supposed to happen is there's going to be a civil military co-ordination centre set up inside Israel. I believe it's in Ashdod and the US is going to have a couple of hundred troops involved in logistics.

That will oversee an international force that is presumed to be made up of Qatari, Egyptian, Turkish and possibly UAE troops, who are not going to be there to do any fighting.

They're more there as a monitoring ceasefire force. It's called the International Stabilisation Force.

notice there’s radio silence from all the “pro Palestinian” lot about this,
Personally I think people are just fed up engaging with certain posters on these threads and steer clear. The majority of pro Palestinian voices I've seen on this thread all expressed concern with the peace deal and lack of detail in it and what could come after for Gaza, they were told they were being too negative. Can't win.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 12/10/2025 13:21

Jujujudo · 12/10/2025 12:43

Nobody cares about about the Palestinians killing each other! They only care when it’s Jews doing it! We should know that by now. I notice there’s radio silence from all the “pro Palestinian” lot about this, unless it’s to blame the Israelis somehow which I’m sure they will!

Totally this!

OhMaria2 · 12/10/2025 13:26

Destroy everything and starve people. Retreat. Oh no, why is it violent chaos?

Ihatetomatoes · 12/10/2025 13:28

BBC worldnews says 'Hamas has recalled 7000 fighters to retake parts of Gaza" so now there's a ceasefire they come out of the tunnels 🤔

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 13:35

Ihatetomatoes · 12/10/2025 13:28

BBC worldnews says 'Hamas has recalled 7000 fighters to retake parts of Gaza" so now there's a ceasefire they come out of the tunnels 🤔

Apparently the tunnels were too awful for civilians to shelter in but 7000 fighters were fine.

JacknDiane · 12/10/2025 13:38

The poor Palestinians, as if life there isn't bad enough

Pasly · 12/10/2025 13:39

Ihatetomatoes · 12/10/2025 13:28

BBC worldnews says 'Hamas has recalled 7000 fighters to retake parts of Gaza" so now there's a ceasefire they come out of the tunnels 🤔

Half you a link for this? Were they in the tunnels? Recalled from where?

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 13:41

Pasly · 12/10/2025 13:39

Half you a link for this? Were they in the tunnels? Recalled from where?

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Well they can't have been in buildings as I thought they had all been flattened?

Ihatetomatoes · 12/10/2025 13:44

Hamas has reportedly mobilised thousands of its fighters to kind of establish law and order, to stop rival clans trying to take over areas.😂 Seriously, Hamas, who wants them to try to pretend to be 'the good guys' establish law and order by terrorists, well their own warped version of it, so basically they are staying put. Rinse repeat.

Jujujudo · 12/10/2025 13:46

Pasly · 12/10/2025 13:11

Nobody cares about about the Palestinians killing each other
And you know that how?

People are extremely concerned about what happens in Gaza and how it is going to be managed and supported in the aftermath of the past two years. Civil unrest is a huge possibility and the vast majority of people do not and never wanted Hamas to remain in Gaza.

Frank Gardener highlights the issues well:

Frank Gardner
Security correspondent

The big question is how is security going to prevail in Gaza once this first phase is complete? It's a part of the world that has been absolutely shattered over the last two years.

We're already seeing growing signs of the risks of civil conflict turning up.

Hamas has reportedly mobilised thousands of its fighters to kind of establish law and order, to stop rival clans trying to take over areas.

To try to stop anarchy, basically.

What is supposed to happen is there's going to be a civil military co-ordination centre set up inside Israel. I believe it's in Ashdod and the US is going to have a couple of hundred troops involved in logistics.

That will oversee an international force that is presumed to be made up of Qatari, Egyptian, Turkish and possibly UAE troops, who are not going to be there to do any fighting.

They're more there as a monitoring ceasefire force. It's called the International Stabilisation Force.

notice there’s radio silence from all the “pro Palestinian” lot about this,
Personally I think people are just fed up engaging with certain posters on these threads and steer clear. The majority of pro Palestinian voices I've seen on this thread all expressed concern with the peace deal and lack of detail in it and what could come after for Gaza, they were told they were being too negative. Can't win.

I would hope that these people also wish the Israelis peace too, but I doubt it. Let’s see if the protests continue but against Hamas to free the Palestinians. I also doubt it. You may need to face the fact that we already know which is that it’s never been about the Palestinians.

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