Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

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Hamas appears to be preparing to exact vengeance on those opposed to its rule in Gaza. This will come in the form of mafia-like murders of those Hamas claims are “collaborators.” It will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to Hamas. It will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

A Telegram channel linked to Hamas said the group would target “collaborators.”

The BBC reported that “Hamas recalls 7,000 fighters to reassert control over Gaza as fears of renewed internal violence emerge following the withdrawal of Israeli forces. The mobilisation has been widely anticipated as uncertainty grows about who will govern Gaza once the war ends - this is a key sticking point for later phases of Trump's plan.”

Hamas has long used mafia-like gangland tactics to keep people in check in Gaza. This goes back to how the group emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Hamas leaders such as Yahya Sinwar were known for brutally murdering “collaborators” back then. Sinwar is dead but his tactics live on. Hamas has lost a lot of its larger weapons but it retains AK-47s and can use them to murder people. Videos have already emerged of Hamas allegedly murdering people.

The brutality of the organization has also been revealed in a New York Times article that shows how Sinwar and Hamas planned to murder Israelis and burn communities on October 7.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

And so the cycle of hatred continues ...

The ‘poor Palestinians’ have allowed their land to become a terror cell and showed high support for Oct 7 until they started losing. Dictators and authoritarian regimes don’t just fall out of the sky, they brew in areas that allow them to do so. If Palestinians want moderate governance they’ll have to take their eyes off the Israelis for a while and fight for it. They’re always the ‘poor victims’ of their own violence and extremism, and nothing is ever ever their fault. If they want to be a peaceful country, only they can make it happen. I want us to have nothing more to do with it.

Apparently China have got a posse of Palestinian leaders together and is forging links in the area. The Chinese are the oldest surviving civilisation for a reason...

Are they moderates? Any opposition to Hamas are called Israeli collaborators so when they slaughter them or execute in the streets westerners won't complain.

They are their own worst enemies. They could have had a 2 state solution from the start. They are enabled by people in the west to continue the hatred and not seek a more peaceful outcome. They need to be treated like grown ups accountability for their choices. Keeping them as perpetual victims doesn't help them.

As it’s not Israel doing the killing we don’t need to worry about it as very few people will be interested.

Very well put, Bigpinksweather, and even now a large % of Palestinians have been shown to back Hamas - a figure which will likely increase as they take credit for their released prisoners

Good luck to those who thought they'd ever see a rebuilt Palestine without Hamas involvement, because I'd say the chances of that are vanishingly unlikely

If their backers are Beijing who would you put your money on?

Not looking good.

Hang on, you mean Hamas are not sweet victims, kind to women and LGBTQ+ people?

#astonished

This is sadly true, as we see with the almost complete lack of interest in other conflicts

As for China's involvement, while it is indeed a noble civilisation it's unfortunately in the hands of a filthy regime whose only concern will be for themselves and what they can get out of the situation - and good luck expecting "post-colonial" breast beating from their leaders if it's deecided that their involvement wasn't such a good idea after all

I’m so shocked.. not Hamas? They don’t want to just be left alone to live in peace?

You aren't stating history correctly. There has not been a two state deal on the table in any genuine sense. The power groups behind Israel think that they were given the whole of Palestine in 1917 and will not accept anything less (and some have said that they want to spread out in the ME). Palestinians had the Balfour Agreement 1917 forced on them and fought against that (this is not contested history).

In recent decades, the only deals on the table have been where Israel maintains full security ie blockades, soldiers and this has been rejected by Palestinians (but has still happened).

In recent months there has been a recognition that a 2 state deal will stop the fighting, and ME supports that, Israel does not yet. The US are against the 2 state solution currently which is pretty tragic but hopefully they will realise at some point that the 2 state solution is the fairest solution and needed for peace.

But TBF, if it stabilises the middle east and Africa ....I do note how they treat religion on home turf as they're aware of it's potential to weaponise. Even the Buddhists of Tibet who tend to immolate to protest, have had the ability to choose their faith leader delegated to Beijing.

Middle eastern leaders seem keen in an anything but 'the west' way. If only there weren't so many people in 'the west' who felt the same way.

It depends on who is doing the reporting - some reports are saying that Israeli armed guerilla groups are in Gaza fighting Hamas, and others say it is fake news. It is almost impossible to know what is going on. Where is the BBC getting its reports from, if they aren't there?

Hamas isn't the problem. The problem is that there isn't international commitment to a negotiated two state solution. That is what the US should be pushing for, because without it there will never be peace.

I am not sure this is right. ME leaders have pointed out in the past that the west have ridden roughshod over their culture without understanding the consequences. But in recent months and years many in fact use the language of the west and having shown significant williness for dialogue, as long as it is on equal terms.

I think it is elements within the west being divisive. And tbf, this has been the case for most of the 20th century to the present day - look at the propaganda wars of ww1 for example!

A strong western voice in favour of a negotiated 2 state solution is all we need right now, the will meet us in the middle.

I agree in principle, @quantumbutterfly, but unfortunately have no real faith in China's regime to stabilise anything - at least not beyond the time it takes them to get what they want out of the situation

In global terms their involvement is relatively new, but as said, good luck in dealing with a group who the word ruthless could easily have been coined for

By the way, when I say Hamas isn't the problem, what i mean is that their funders have shown commitment to meet the west half way in relation to solutions, and this is what is important. Hamas has also said that they would support other Palestinian leaders taking over/negotiating.

The BBC have had local freelancers working for them in Gaza throughout the war and now.

Hamas are currently slaughtering anyone that isn't Hamas.

It depends on who is doing the reporting - some reports are saying that Israeli armed guerilla groups are in Gaza fighting Hamas, and others say it is fake news. It is almost impossible to know what is going on. Where is the BBC getting its reports from, if they aren't there?

It's bullshit. The Doghmush clan that they're fighting were the same group that kidnapped Gilad Shalit.
It's just an instinct - lie and blame Israel. Idiots globally then lap up the lies.

Hamas would support other Palestinian leaders taking over/ negotiating? And you believed them?

They're out on the streets of Gaza killing them right now!

I really dont like the phrase and actually have never used it on here before... but have you considered what the words 'useful idiots' might refer to in this context?

Do you think the actions of Hamas are an issue rn?

Given this thread.

Moderates in the west have hoped for a 2 state solution for decades and often been involved in negotiations for it, which leads to accusations of interference.
The useful idiots chanting 'from the river to the sea' and 'globalise the intifada' are a noisy minority who (knowingly or otherwise) are doing more to destabilise the countries they are in than Israel. I suspect as populations grow, the line between management by consent vs management by control will shift.