Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

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Hamas appears to be preparing to exact vengeance on those opposed to its rule in Gaza. This will come in the form of mafia-like murders of those Hamas claims are “collaborators.” It will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to Hamas. It will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

A Telegram channel linked to Hamas said the group would target “collaborators.”

The BBC reported that “Hamas recalls 7,000 fighters to reassert control over Gaza as fears of renewed internal violence emerge following the withdrawal of Israeli forces. The mobilisation has been widely anticipated as uncertainty grows about who will govern Gaza once the war ends - this is a key sticking point for later phases of Trump's plan.”

Hamas has long used mafia-like gangland tactics to keep people in check in Gaza. This goes back to how the group emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Hamas leaders such as Yahya Sinwar were known for brutally murdering “collaborators” back then. Sinwar is dead but his tactics live on. Hamas has lost a lot of its larger weapons but it retains AK-47s and can use them to murder people. Videos have already emerged of Hamas allegedly murdering people.

The brutality of the organization has also been revealed in a New York Times article that shows how Sinwar and Hamas planned to murder Israelis and burn communities on October 7.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

The BBC have always used "trusted freelance Palestinian journalists" for it's Gaza coverage.

As in this report Three trusted freelance Palestinian journalists whom the BBC relies on for its Gaza coverage have shared how they are now struggling to feed their families and often go two days or more without eating.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmvmj8kkjno

Two things: firstly if in a war situation you get two completely opposing sets of facts, propaganda both sides even, that is par for the course. I was responding to someone saying that the Palestinians and pro Palestinians were suddenly silent, I pointed out that this was incorrect. As for opposing sides - how do you know what the truth is? What is your source (and please don't say the BBC or the Guardian)? Does your side want war, peace, land?

Secondly, your last two paragraphs - your mindset will lead to more war, it will lead to degradation, inhumanity, deaths, destruction. It really is as simple as that. So if you want more war, degradation, inhumanity, death and destruction, then carry on as you are. If you don't, perhaps recognise that we have a rare opportunity to reach peace with the ME and support that.

My mindset will have precisely zero effect on outcomes in the region.

Nothing on this thread or in this whole section will influence things one iota.

"I had to watch this twice because it looks like footage straight from Oct 7.

But it’s not. It’s a recent video. Hamas filmed themselves parading the Palestinians they murdered through Gaza.

And the “Pro-Palestine” wokifada? Absolutely silent."

INDEED. Hamas rather like parading bodies whether Israeli or Palestinian.

You reckon that one tiny little Jewish country in the middle of about 30 Muslim ones is a recipe for peace in the Middle East? You reckon Palestinians want only Gaza and WB? You reckon that when we talk about a future Palestinian state that you know they mean “from the river to the sea”?
Finally, you want to talk about peace? Humanity? Tell me, how does supporting a state which is never mind Apartheid, but actually completely Judenfrei follow the rules of moral and ethic righteousness?
I reckon you’re looking at this through western liberal eyes and not really understanding that there will never be peace in the middle east until all the Jews bugger off to whichever antisemitic country can tolerate them. And even then after a few years there’ll be more war but nobody will be able to blame it on Israel.

The latest line is that those people are "Israeli collaborators" who are being armed and paid by israel so it's all fine and justified. These people are in the grip of a mania and have to bring everything back to israel being to blame, not matter what

This.
Neither the poster's on mumsnet or the chanting marchers effect what the powers decide. Trump, currently Netanyahu and Arab leaders dont listen to this. However, radical Islamists based in the UK hear the calls for intifada merrily sung on the streets. Chilling

‘Israeli guerrilla groups’ where is this from? Hamas? Why would people repeat it.

Yup.

The silence from the Pro Palestine crew is deafening. Maybe the penny is dropping…

That’s what Israel have been fighting - murderous savages. I would hope our government would take similar action against a terrorist organisation that want us destroyed. I’m not so sure with this current lot, they’d probably jail Brits for ‘being mean’ or Islamophobic, but one can only hope

https://x.com/afalkhatib/status/1977876169161572692?t=9JTj4Yi9FktS4oz-7yWheg&s=19

"All over Telegram, Hamas channels are making it clear and repeating their slogan: "We are the flood; we are the day after." Their terrorists emerged from the tunnels, and when they're not executing or shooting Gazans, they walk around markets, steal aid & impose taxes like a gang. This is not the behavior of a group that's demobilizing or deradicalizing. They are reinventing themselves are policemen and want to have a central role in the future of Gaza."

Not much on this, really is something.

Can I just say, that it gives me such comfort to read posts from you and others on this thread. People who see through the bullshit we have had to endure through the media these past 2 years. 🙌

Re the "Israeli-backed militias" claim - I mean who knows the actual ground truth in the swirl of propaganda, but they do seem to have popped up out of nowhere. I can imagine that Israel does have informants in Gaza (they relied heavily on informants when they did the Hezbollah pager operation, and struck strategic Iranian assets), but short of perhaps Noa Argamani's rescue, I can't see where they got much intel at least relating to the hostages, so if they are backing this militias, they didn't exactly get their money's worth on that front.

I think the most likely is that Hamas is taking a shortcut to demonising its rival gangs in Gaza. But I can already see how the narrative is being crafted - that the ongoing fighting and death in Gaza is still somehow Israel's fault.

https://x.com/afalkhatib/status/1978165091519606824

"Hamas's new terror unit, "Rade3'" or "the deterrer," joins its "Saham" or "arrow" unit in hunting down Gazans suspected of being opponents of its rule, kidnapping, torturing, executing, and disappearing dozens of people using vans, trucks, and SUVs. Hamas has declared all-out war on all clans, any opposition, and other families or people who are suspected of "harboring" anti-Hamas activists. This has created an unprecedented campaign of terror and fear that's got everyone worried about being executed for miscellaneous disputes because all it takes is being labeled an "Israeli collaborator" or "traitor" to be killed."

This was my fear - that a ceasefire without the majority of Hamas fighters eradicated would look something like this. I have no idea how this can be resolved; any force who tries to remove them militarily will have the exact same issues the IDF did, that they're deeply embedded in the civil fabric of the area.

Good grief, poor Palestinians, they have no chance with this lot emerged from tunnels, fully fattened up, neat and tidy and ready to kill anyone who denies them their spoils. Imagine living next door to these. No wonder Egypt wont open the border 🙄

"This was my fear - that a ceasefire without the majority of Hamas fighters eradicated would look something like this. I have no idea how this can be resolved; any force who tries to remove them militarily will have the exact same issues the IDF did, that they're deeply embedded in the civil fabric of the area."

Urban, guerilla warfare. Cowardly, energe once there's a ceasefire and then kill Palestinians that they deem might be against them. Call them 'collaborators ' so the idiot following in the West ignore the killings. Job done.

This was my fear - that a ceasefire without the majority of Hamas fighters eradicated would look something like this

Mine too, @SpaceRaccoon, and yet Starmer rewarded those still in charge by recognising it as a state

I have no idea how this can be resolved; any force who tries to remove them militarily will have the exact same issues the IDF did, that they're deeply embedded in the civil fabric of the area

Correct again, but though I wish it was otherwise I honestly don't believe it can be resolved. We've been hearing so much about it recently because Israel decided they'd had enough, but the underlying mindsets have been there for generations and that won't be so easily changed

Thank you! I’ve been suspended for calling out antisemitism on this forum. I’ve been cursed, threatened, called all the names you can think of. But I know the truth and I know it coming out slowly. The uncomfortable facts are there - all the protests calling for a Palestinian state from the river to the sea.. meaning a state that is free of Jews! If they think they’re fighting for humanity they’re clearly not. All the celebrities with their badges showing Jewish blood demanding a ceasefire are silent now. All the hostages returning to joyous, remarkable families despite knowing their release allowed hundreds of convicted terrorists to go back to Gaza, all the continued bloodshed in Gaza from Hamas, the genocide lie, the famine lie, it’s all coming out and there is silence. The truth is there.

Yet they expect a few million Jews to accept living next door to them. And when they build walls to stop terrorists, or have military presence on the border to prevent another massacre they’re called occupiers. You couldn’t make this shit up.

Well they’ve seen that westerners are easily manipulated by their propaganda! They even thanked the uk government!! A terror group thanked the uk government for being on their side. It’s all insane!

And this is the kind of person that has been released in the prisoner swap:

https://x.com/HamasAtrocities/status/1978364747838877730

"The X post shares a 25-second video of a Palestinian father, recently released from Israeli prison, declaring to a cheering crowd in Gaza that his young son will return to attack Israelis "like on the seventh of October,"

It's actually been doing my head in a bit, there's all these posts showing a prisoner being released with emotional pictures of them being reunited with family, "at last after 20 years", then there's a community note and they blew up a bus full of schoolchildren or stabbed two women to death or something.

Utterly enraging that they were given equivalence to the hostages by some people.

It's actually been doing my head in a bit, there's all these posts showing a prisoner being released with emotional pictures of them being reunited with family, "at last after 20 years", then there's a community note and they blew up a bus full of schoolchildren or stabbed two women to death or something.

Yes, I’ve been seeing quite a lot of it too. Some young woman crying and hugging her released father (or a similar scene) and then the community note… 😕

No other country in the world would be expected to release these terrorists. The poor victims families. It's like releasing the 9/11 terrorists.

Or people saying I can’t see the difference between Palestinian prisoners being released & Israel hostages.

Or worse, calling them all hostages regardless of their actual status being hostage, prisoner or detainee.