Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

This is one of those situations where pro-Palestinians like to pretend that Hamas doesn't exist. It messes up the agreed narrative where Palestinians are goodies and Israel are baddies and there is nothing else to be said.

I didn't lump all pro-Israeli posters together. Not at all.
But, I'm leaving it there now, as time and energy are now in short supply!

Got to work now.
But, before I go, I hope we all agree anyway that we desperately hope peace will hold. Praying for all the victims regardless of race or religion 🙏

I can agree on that and I hope you can agree that you were wrong with your earlier comment that pro Israel supporters are never critical of Israel.

A false claim that had been debunked many times including my post on here that you presumably didn’t have time to respond to.

The framing of this is very much that women are resorting to this, placing the blame on Israel for forcing women into this position. I don’t accept this, men, Palestinian men are the one forcing women into this position.

It's actually phenomenally - racist isn't quite the word I'm looking for, but something patronising and prejudiced. Only the Israelis ("western colonisers" in their view) have agency, are in effect adults. The Palestinians ("brown bodies" or whatever the horrendous current terminology is) are so childlike and without agency that they mustn't even be held accountable for rape.

I’ve heard it described as the racism of low expectations.

Again it is all true. Israelis voted in a man who says rape of detainees is legitimate. Israelis brought a rapist on national TV, lauded him and gave him multiple standing ovations. Israelis protested for rapists who they watched gang rape a man on camera to be freed from prison. This was all stated in response to a poster who said that Palestinian victims of child abuse at the hands of Israelis in detention are liars and Jew haters. She said that it would take lots of Israelis covering up to do have such high amounts of child sex abuse.

Look at what Israelis do on TV, what they do on the streets, who they vote for. It doesn't seem so impossible now that there would be a cover up of mass child abuse in detention when rapists are lauded and the rape of detainees is called legitimate by the people that they vote for.

Everything I have said is easy to Google for anyone who actually cares about sexual violence and child sex abuse victims. Graphic accounts of Palestinian child sexual abuse in prison are also easy to find on Google. If people want to believe the perpetrators who laud sex criminals on TV rather than traumatised children and childrens charities who help 10s of millions of children each year around the world then that is their choice and nothing I could ever link to would change that kind of mindset.

Israelis voted in a man who says rape of detainees is legitimate.

@CrossChecking I have just googled your first allegation but saw no evidence of Netanyahu (aka the man who Isreali voters voted in) saying the rape of detainees is legitimate.

If you have a link, please share it.

It's actually worse than I thought. Hanoch Milwidsky from the Likud party said that it is legitimate "to insert a stick into a person's rectum". Smotrich was just angry that they had been filmed. And Ben Gvir argued that any action, even gang rape, is permissible if it is undertaken for the security of the state.

^these are who Israelis vote for. These are their politicians and law makers. In Ireland recently a man stood down from his presidential campaign because he owed 3 grand to former tenants. In Israel men like these feature over and over, year on year in Israeli politics. Men who think it's fine to gang rape and insert objects into people rectums. They are never ousted in shame, instead they are repeatly given positions of power. This is the culture that allows the abuse of children in detention to thrive, so it gets to the point where almost every child detained is abused in some manner.

Not a single person here stood up for these child victims when they were called liars and jew haters. If British people won't stand up for them what hope is there in a culture where people say its OK to force a stick into someones rectum and they get to keep their government job as a lawmaker!

In think pp is referring to Ben-Gvir.
He made a comment to that effect in 2024.
He was already minister at that time though, whereas Israelis voted in a man who says rape of detainees is legitimate makes it sound as if he‘d been appointed after making those comments.

We have at least one person posting favourably about Sinwar and lots of legitimate resistance apologists, as well as people who equate Hamas with Israel as if Hamas are a legitimate organisation that some of us just have a difference of opinion about.

Well said.
I don't know if many people will admit that but my hands are up. Be careful what you wish for.
I never denied that hamas were scum but didn’t consider the consequences for the innocent Palestinian people passed stopping the war.
Seeing photos of their execution, no words.

IDF don't need to start bombing again, hamas have already begun terrorising and shooting their own again without trial. What a messed up country. What a messed up group.
Send our protestors to Palestine to wave the flags where it really matters.

Saying “people voted in a man” suggests Netanyahu to me as he the leader of the party people voted for.

Like if it was the UK and someone said “people voted in a man” the assumption would be they were talking about Starmer not one of his ministers.

This posters words are vague & unsubstantiated.

Only because it suits your narrative. People voted in the Labour Party.

They are vague, I agree.
They also seem to be leaving out some of the information.
I‘ve used Grok to figure out what pp was referring to.
The statements made by Hanoch Milwidsky, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich,
as horrendous as they are, seem to be referring to a particular incident in 2024, where nine Israeli soldiers were accused of raping a Palestinian prisoner from Hamas's Nukhba unit (elite forces involved in the October 7th attack).
Ministers making reprehensible statements after an attack on their country is not quite the same as people knowingly voting someone in who before being elected said that rape of detainees was acceptable.

Smotrich and Ben-Gvir belong to far-right parties that collectively secured 14 seats in the last election, out of 120.
Not the same as „voting Labour in“.

I'm not going to take any claims seriously now unless credible evidence is included.

Actually I think that's best instead of getting drawn into debates about something someone said without giving any proper evidence.

In July 2024, Likud party member Hanoch Milwidsky stated in the Knesset that it was "legitimate" to engage in acts of sexual violence, such as inserting a stick into a person's rectum, if that person was a Hamas militant
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Context of the comments

• The incident occurred during a heated debate in the Knesset regarding alleged abuse of Palestinian prisoners at the Sde Teiman detention facility.
• Milwidsky's comments were made in defense of soldiers accused of mistreating Palestinian detainees.
• When asked by an Arab Knesset member if such an act was legitimate, Milwidsky reportedly shouted, "Yes! If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!".

To be fair I don’t give a shit what they do to Hamas members in jail. If putting a stick up their arse makes them give up information which could save lives, so be it.

I very much doubt that has ever happened though.

IIRC these claims of male sexual abuse came out after reports that male victims of Oct 7th had been raped and sexually tortured in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY on Oct 7th!

www.timesofisrael.com/male-october-7-survivor-recounts-rape-at-hands-of-hamas-terrorists/amp/

As is said regarding this particular conflict, every accusation is a confession.

Are people talking about this? It’s what’s happening rn

No, the usual accounts are still gibbering on about "Israel commiting genocide RIGHT NOW!" as if the ceasefire never took place, and are bodyswerving this topic hard.

Well, I never!!

That’s a difficult one. It’s going to take some honesty about Hamas.

I just saw a post on X where someone claimed that some of the Palestinian prisoners being exiled after their release is all part of Israel’s plan to ethically cleanse Gaza.
Seems to be the latest narrative.
I’ve checked the numbers, looks like only around 174 people in total have been exiled - 154 from the group of 250 serving life sentences for terrorism-related offences and 20 additional detainees.