Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

Ah another one that assumed the majority of pro Palestinians supported Hamas despite being told the opposite time and time again. Pro Palestinians care about Palestinians

someone needs to go into Gaza and sort out Hamas'.
Yes Hamas, but not by killing over 60,000 of the population, 20,000 of which are children, bombing hospitals, schools, homes and restricting humanitarian aid.

oh explain it to me then

@SharonEllis yes of course I heard about the Oxfam Haiti scandal. Horrific.
But, to disregard every single human rights organisation and children's charity that have condemned Israeli actions, on the basis that not everyone can be trusted, defies logic. As well as decency. As though there's a conspiracy between all the human rights organisations to frame Israel. That's ludicrous.

The double standards here are shocking. Whenever anyone has doubted reports of sexual violence on October 7th by Hamas, people have quite rightly been outraged. Myself included. But, now some of those same outraged are doubting (or outrightly denying) reports of abuse of children by the Israeli authorities. It's disgusting.

I will always be on the side of victims, because I believe women, and I believe children, and I trust a broad consensus by human rights bodies.

Not sure I can remain on this thread, as some of the posts, the bias and the double standards, are making me feel sick actually.

Yes, I've just been reading that. It was part of the ceasefire agreement, but I do wonder why they haven't returned them yet, I have read that they may be with another terror group.
I hope that they locate and return them.

I've heard they're struggling to access them because of all the rubble. I hope they can be found and returned for everyone's sake.

Surely those who held them hostage would know of their whereabouts, though? Even enough to enable a search?
According to Sky News, some hostages were passed on to another Palestinian group, not Hamas (added to clarify).

Oh for goodness sake, I didn't say disregard every single human rights organisation and children's charity' because of Haiti did I? You said STC and random, undefined 'human rights organisations' were unbiased and their investigations shoukd be accepted as truth. I and others pointed out why that trust and acceptance should not be automatic. And then you're equivocating over the zionists or some of the zionists?

Oh please!

I heard that sadly the remaining hostages may never be recovered some areas are completely rubble and dust.

I was thinking about the returnees before I slept last night, the relief must be immense on both sides.

The Palestinian people released are returning to rubble and dust.

I'm not usually a fan of Donald Trump but he made progress. I hope it stays peaceful.

Of course they would know where they last had the hostages. They were rather valuable to them.

Over the years I've seen a lot of 'pro Palestinian' discourse that has simply ignored the fact that Hamas even exist. Or if they do exist, it's in some sort of ethereal cloud that is entirely separate to the Palestinian population, instead of very much being a part of it. Hamas are not Palestinians, Palestinians are not Hamas. Israel only kills civilians and no one is fighting back.

And now Israel has left, it seems to be undeniable that Hamas actually exist as a bunch of Palestinian terrorists who kill people, and that actually is a problem.

I would imagine that there is 100's if not 1000's of human remains buried deep in the rubble, time lapsed and relentless bombing wouldn't leave much behind. 😔

Yes! That's what I don't understand!

Surely you'd know where you kept hostages though? They're bargaining chips.
Unless their captors were killed, which is a possibility of course.

This. They existed, they still exist, they are currently killing 'collaborators ' and people who are against them. Hamas are within and part of Palestinian society, not a separate entity. Palestinians need to decide if they want hamas to continue in the same cycle of hatred and killing or not.

I was anxious about the Zionist comment, as I genuinely do try to word things carefully here, and I was worried it could be misconstrued. That's why I went back to it to explain myself. I realise I strayed off topic.

Exactly. If some of the hostages sadly lost their lives a long time ago, there might not be anything to return.

I loathe Hamas, but I imagine for the sake of their own PR, they're keen to return the remains of the deceased.

I think it was on Channel 4 news that I heard they're struggling to access them.

You'd have to take that one up with Channel 4 News, as I'm pretty sure that's where I heard it. Either that or another mainstream news broadcast. It wasn't a random bod on YouTube.

Why did you use the word Zionist?

'people who think Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state' doesn't seem to be relevant at all here. Isn't that most people?

Totally agree with this. I don't know anyone who isn't highly critical of Hamas, and hasn't been throughout.

I'm assuming you don't mean on MN where there have been loads of people queuing up to defend the 'resistance' and deny the rape.

I heard it on an interview with Bel Trew, the international war reporter.
Apparently discussed by Hamas during the peace process.

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/women-in-gaza-say-they-were-promised-food-money-or-work-in-exchange-for-sexual-interactions/

This is an article on the abuse of Gazan women. Apart for the obvious horrors what got me was the statement of a charity group

Israel’s siege on the Gaza Strip and the restrictions on humanitarian aid are what’s forcing women to resort to this,” said Amal Syam, director of the Women’s Affairs Center.

The framing of this is very much that women are resorting to this, placing the blame on Israel for forcing women into this position. I don’t accept this, men, Palestinian men are the one forcing women into this position. There is no situation where rape is necessary. This happens everywhere there is conflict but we don’t usually blame the women for it do we? And thats why aid agencies operating in Gaza aren’t always straightforward for me. I have literally never seen this framing, if it were Ukraine I’m pretty sure you’d just see “ukrainian men are taking advantage of the war to coerce women into sex”.

Israelis should similarly be held to account when a woman says she has been harmed.

I have explained this and apologised.
I said some of the Zionists. Meaning some of the very pro Israel folks on here, who would indeed be Zionists. I should have just stuck to the description of 'some of the pro-Israel posters here'. I was rounding off the post quickly, and know what I meant, but realised immediately after posting that it could have been misconstrued. Yes, I know what it means.
I actually wouldn't describe myself as anti-zionist. I'm anti-genocide, anti-apartheid and anti-racism.

Your post, and Sharon Ellis' posts feel like a gotcha? I see that loads on this board, on both sides actually. It really isn't playing fair. I'm leaving it there now.

My point is that the word 'Zionist' is generally used in this topic by people who don't know the meaning of it and use it to demonise a group of people, usually Jews. You might not have meant it like that, but you have clearly come to see it as synonymous with support for Netanyahu, which it isn't at all.

If you are casually using Zionist in conversation, you probably need to check where you are getting your news from.