Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

They probably don’t need to 5 min after the cease fire rival gangs in Palestine are killing each other -47 dead already www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5e551j593o

It will be very traumatic for Israelis to face up to what they have done, and it will take a few generations I think. It was very hard for Germany, and they are still coming to terms with it. That is, if Israel manages to survive the fact that they have destroyed much of their essential support base in the US. I think that in the long run, Netanyahu may have destroyed Israel. The next generation might look back and see this as a turning point I think. However, we won't see this for many years, history is slow to work itself out

I think it should be up to the Palestinian authorities to decide what happens to people who break the law in Palestine. Why do Israel think they have the right to police Palestine? It's pretty bizarre and if Palestinian authorities were dragging Israeli children out of their beds in Israel in the dead of night and bringing them to detention as Israelis do there would be a lot said about it. Israel need to keep their hands off Palestinian children in Palestine full stop.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/physical-abuse-infectious-disease-spreading-conditions-palestinian-children-israeli-military

We know from our latest research before the war that most children in the military detention system face appalling emotional and physical abuse, including 86% of them reporting being beaten by Israeli authorities in detention, and 69% reporting having experienced sexual violence and abuse.

This is what Israelis do to Palestinian children in detention. I don't know how anyone could argue that they don't need to keep their hands off Palestinian children when they are sexually abusing almost 70% of the children they take and beating 86% of them. Vile people who need to be locked up themselves.

I think that’s because you are allowed freedom of thought and havent been doctrinated with hate for Jews over decades. Anyone who defies Hamas or speaks out is shot. And anyone who gives their life to the cause of the extinction of Israel is lauded.

Source please.

It's in the link I posted above.

Thanks

The statistics relating to the abuse of Palestinian children by Israeli authorities is shocking. The world has seen the crimes Israel has committed.

Does Israel recognise Palestine as a legitimate state? The hypocrisy in your arguments is astounding.

Must be difficult to recognise a state whose stated aim is to wipe you and your people off the map. Think about it!

Rather than jumping in with two feet why not read the actual thread and see what was written by someone who was mocking those that were being released today on the Israeli side including Palestinian children.

Or does their suffering not count?

Today is meant to be a good day. The hostages will be released shortly. Palestinians who have been locked up will be released today and may this hideous genocide finally come to an end.

You post doesn’t have anything to do with what I had written.

I asked what Israeli man was being referred to in the sane paragraph as a Syrian refugee being stabbed. There was no Israeli man involved with this.

I pointed out that Palestinians were now killing each other. Apparently Hamas wanted to use a building do they shot the family inside it.at first it reported 47 dead, now just saying in excess of 26.

Just to add that some of those Palestinians that are being released today are also hostages.

I’m sure people will argue that they aren’t hostages and how dare I compare. But then some might argue that the hostages that Hamas has aren’t hostages but prisoners of war.

But here’s hoping for lasting peace but I doubt it will happen. Wonder what the argument for the pro Israelis across this board will be then.

As a point of fact, prisoner of war has a definition set out in the Geneva Convention. None of the hostages held by Hamas meet that, even the small minority who are military. I'll pay you the possibly undeserved compliment of assuming you mean them rather than, say, Kfir Bibas.

So no doubt some are arguing that, through either genuine ignorance and bad faith, but they're wrong.

And the innocent Palestinians that gave been kidnapped and held by Israel? Including kids.

Do you think Israel having held people without trial means Kfir Bibas in fact did meet the legal definition of a POW then? If so, I have some unfortunate news about how that works.

POW isn't a term you can use because you happen to like or not like one of the parties involved. It has a meaning. If you find that meaning inconvenient, the option is there to stay away from posts explaining that people who misuse it are stupid.

That poster said But then some might argue that the hostages that Hamas has aren’t hostages but prisoners of war. so I would presume she is talking about the hostages that they have now, the soldiers.

Perhaps, although there's never been a time when the majority of hostages held by Hamas were soldiers, so that's something she really ought to have been clear about. But either way, there are requirements set out in the Geneva Convention that haven't been met.

No, but as usual there's absolutely no acknowledgement that Israel have captured
and held thousands, including children without trial or charge.

No acknowledgement
No criticism of it.
No delight in their release.
No criticism of Israel's decision to throw parties and celebrations for the hostages returning, whilst warming Palestinians that they are forbidden from doing the same.

At least one guy was due to be returned to his family in the west bank, now will be dumped in Gaza instead. Another was due to come home to the West Bank, then was told he'd be exiled. His family was denied exit permits to go and see him. Because Israel control every aspect of the Palestinians lived.

Because it was a post specifically relating to the legal definition of a POW. None of the things you've mentioned, even taking your argument at absolute highest, have any influence whatsoever on that. They just don't. This isn't a matter of opinion.

There are also lots of things you've not mentioned in your post, but it would be equally idiotic to try and crowbar those into a discussion about the legal definition of a POW that they do not in any way affect.

So in summary, the people who think the legal definition applies to the hostages currently and previously held by Hamas are wrong.

The detainees / hostages comparison pops up regularly on here, shamefully enough.

The vast majority of posters agree that extended administrative detention of detainees by Israel is deeply problematic. Contrary to what you say theres often acknowledgement and criticism. Ive seen it many times and taken part in it many times.

However, detainees are not hostages. Words have meanings.

Detainees/ unlawful detainees- people who have been taken on suspicion of committing crimes. Feel free to criticize. Some will be guilty, some will not. Not a homogeneous group.

Hostages- all completely innocent and taken with intent to hold as security for a specific reason not connected to them personally. All completely innocent is the key factor.

Please can we use words correctly, otherwise how can we sensibly talk?

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Excellent post @dairydebris.

As it happens, I really loathe internment. But it would be as arrogant as it is thick to imagine one's personal view on an unrelated matter has any bearing on the definition of what a POW is.