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Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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Wakeuplittlebunnies · 10/10/2025 06:50

It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

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HellsBalls · 11/10/2025 19:05

TomeTome · 11/10/2025 18:48

The vast majority of people are deeply disgusted by the atrocities inflicted on the Palestinians. I’m surprised anyone thinks otherwise who has access to international news.

The vast majority of people don’t actually give a shit about the Middle East or Palestine, because for the last 50 years there has been constant conflict.
Add in ISIS, Afghanistan, Iraq, 9/11, 7/7, London Bridge, Madrid, Nice, Manchester Arena, etc, etc, of the Islamist terrorist atrocities and the majority of the people are done with caring.

User37482 · 11/10/2025 19:07

TomeTome · 11/10/2025 16:07

In a famine the weakest starve first. I don’t understand the logic behind thinking it’s not that bad because the really skinny ones were probably sick already. There will be more than enough evidence of what has happened. Tens of thousands of tiny bodies who should have lived to laugh and play and live meaningful lives. It’s a tragedy and it must be recognised and never happen again.

Literally no-one said that, they are saying that using children who have other medical needs as evidence of famine doesn’t work because thats not why these children are in that appalling state. There isn’t a famine, theres uneven access to food, price gouging, aid hoarding, selling of aid and definitely hunger (anyone willing to have sex for food is most definitely hungry). What probably happens as aid workers can probably confirm is that there are multiple layers of corruption and pretty gross behaviour which stops the most needy getting food and that is down to their own countrymen.

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 19:10

User37482 · 11/10/2025 19:07

Literally no-one said that, they are saying that using children who have other medical needs as evidence of famine doesn’t work because thats not why these children are in that appalling state. There isn’t a famine, theres uneven access to food, price gouging, aid hoarding, selling of aid and definitely hunger (anyone willing to have sex for food is most definitely hungry). What probably happens as aid workers can probably confirm is that there are multiple layers of corruption and pretty gross behaviour which stops the most needy getting food and that is down to their own countrymen.

Thank you, someone talking sense!

Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 19:31

Tell me what would possibly cause food prices to sky rocket?? And people to consider exchanging sex for food? What would cause that level of desperation? Extreme food shortages, which is what there has been. Israel deliberately had a policy of blocking aid in contravention of International Law this cannot be denied. The comments on here are disgusting . Sorry Palestinians do not look quite emaciated enough to satisfy you. Vile

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There are some utterly appalling people out there. Zero compassion. It’s disturbing to read.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 19:51

User37482 · 11/10/2025 14:31

I’ve seen some if these, parents and siblings look fine and theres some poor emaciated child. Yeah I agree many of them would have pre-existing conditions. They may be suffering not from a lack of food but medical aid, think feeding tubes, medicine etc not surprising because of the high rates of cousin marriage. It’s still fucking awful, the fact that it is probably a medical condition doesn’t make it any less awful and should motivate everyone to be fully in support of a ceasefire. But lying about it is just stupid when the rest of the child family look healthy.

Lots of healthy babies and children have starved to death.

The children with medical needs starved first because they were the most vulnerable. Babies with cow’s milk allergy starved because they couldn’t access alternative formula. All of this was caused by Israel’s blockade on food, including baby formula. Had medical aid and formula been allowed in, these children would be alive.

Children and babies have also died because they were denied medical evacuation in time. Look up the story of Miriam. Another little girl, Sham Qudeih, was granted medical evacuation to Italy. She had severe malnutrition (as a result of the blockade) worsened by a rare genetic metabolic disease. Had Sham stayed in Gaza, she would have almost certainly died. She is now recovering. Her sister, who has no underlying conditions, also came with her and was treated for being underweight.

One of my own children had a cow’s milk allergy- I remember the stress of having to be prescribed formula.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 19:54

Zainab died of severe malnutrition, weighing less than she did at birth. She was allergic to cow’s milk but could not access the special formula she needed due to the blockade and medical shortages. Her mother, also malnourished, survived.

Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again
User37482 · 11/10/2025 20:11

They are selling food in the markets that is supposed to be aid. Do you remember when civilians broke into that UNWRA warehouse literally full of flour?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/28/middleeast/gaza-starving-wfp-warehouse-famine-intl-latam

The food was right there! You can see people carrying it out. It was just sitting in the warehouse? How many of these do you think were in Gaza with food trickling out to keep prices high? To coerce people? Hamas regularly shoot anyone going near these.

I’m making a broad point about what happens during a war. The biggest assholes have all the stuff. If a bloke is exchanging flour for sex it’s because he has plenty of flour, if he was on the verge of starvation he would have eaten it. The woman doesn’t have the flour because she’s not the asshole in this situation. This storry is probably repeated the world over, it’s not unique to Gaza. I’m pretty fucking sure it would happen in the UK too under the same circumstances.

Hundreds of starving Palestinians storm Gaza food warehouse in deadly incident, says UN agency | CNN

A hungry crowd of Palestinians broke into a United Nations warehouse in central Gaza on Wednesday, resulting in at least two deaths and multiple injuries as famine conditions worsen in the Strip.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/28/middleeast/gaza-starving-wfp-warehouse-famine-intl-latam

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 21:23

User37482 · 11/10/2025 20:11

They are selling food in the markets that is supposed to be aid. Do you remember when civilians broke into that UNWRA warehouse literally full of flour?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/28/middleeast/gaza-starving-wfp-warehouse-famine-intl-latam

The food was right there! You can see people carrying it out. It was just sitting in the warehouse? How many of these do you think were in Gaza with food trickling out to keep prices high? To coerce people? Hamas regularly shoot anyone going near these.

I’m making a broad point about what happens during a war. The biggest assholes have all the stuff. If a bloke is exchanging flour for sex it’s because he has plenty of flour, if he was on the verge of starvation he would have eaten it. The woman doesn’t have the flour because she’s not the asshole in this situation. This storry is probably repeated the world over, it’s not unique to Gaza. I’m pretty fucking sure it would happen in the UK too under the same circumstances.

Yes, some aid has been stored or sold- but that doesn’t undo the fact that Israel’s blockade deliberately cut off food, medicine, and essentials to millions. Starvation isn’t about a single warehouse- it’s about an entire population being deprived. UN agencies, WHO, and independent journalists confirm that children and babies have died because they couldn’t get formula, food, or medical care. That’s not “wartime reality”- it’s collective punishment which is illegal under international law.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 11/10/2025 22:34

I don't understand why anyone would deny that Israel has caused famine. Smotrich has said that causing Palestinians to die of starvation is morally quite ok. Now, if the government of Israel knows it has caused mass starvation why would anyone pro Israel deny it. The Israeli state have no issue with knowing what they have done, why do their supporters have difficulty accepting these facts?

Has Isreal committed genocide, tried to destroy in whole or in part another nation of people? it can't be denied because intention is everything, and IsraelI ministers have made more than enough statements of intention to prove this. Again they have no such difficulty admitting their intentions, they believe they are justified so why do supporters deny the reality?

At the beginning Israel said they would cut off electricity, food and water, and they did.
Isreal said they would make Gaza uninhabitable, they have. They have created millions of tons of rubble and it is estimated that just clearing the rubble could take years. Over 92% of housing destroyed.

There is only one important question, if Isreal has caused starvation and Israel believes this is morally fine because hamas has the hostages, then are Israels supporters in agreement that causing starvation isn't morally wrong?

If I said I'd murdered my neighbour would you deny I'd murdered my neighbour?

The morally reprehensible is indefensible so it would seem easier to deny all knowledge, and lie to oneself.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 11/10/2025 22:45

As for this peace deal, it is as flimsy as fuck. No detail. How will Israel establish with no doubt whatsoever that Hamas has disarmed.

They won't, and Israel know they won't, and they have no issue because Netanyahu plans to say they haven't........and then he has Trumps blessing to annihilate Gaza.

What a choice " hand over the hostages and have some grub, or else Trumps gonna come get you" mmm......hamas have no choice, that's not a great position in which to negotiate.

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 22:55

What a choice " hand over the hostages and have some grub, or else Trumps gonna come get you" mmm......hamas have no choice, that's not a great position in which to negotiate.

Poor Hamas 😭

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 23:12

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 11/10/2025 22:34

I don't understand why anyone would deny that Israel has caused famine. Smotrich has said that causing Palestinians to die of starvation is morally quite ok. Now, if the government of Israel knows it has caused mass starvation why would anyone pro Israel deny it. The Israeli state have no issue with knowing what they have done, why do their supporters have difficulty accepting these facts?

Has Isreal committed genocide, tried to destroy in whole or in part another nation of people? it can't be denied because intention is everything, and IsraelI ministers have made more than enough statements of intention to prove this. Again they have no such difficulty admitting their intentions, they believe they are justified so why do supporters deny the reality?

At the beginning Israel said they would cut off electricity, food and water, and they did.
Isreal said they would make Gaza uninhabitable, they have. They have created millions of tons of rubble and it is estimated that just clearing the rubble could take years. Over 92% of housing destroyed.

There is only one important question, if Isreal has caused starvation and Israel believes this is morally fine because hamas has the hostages, then are Israels supporters in agreement that causing starvation isn't morally wrong?

If I said I'd murdered my neighbour would you deny I'd murdered my neighbour?

The morally reprehensible is indefensible so it would seem easier to deny all knowledge, and lie to oneself.

FFS, how many times? 92% of housing has not been destroyed. look it up, but also believe your eyes. We are seeing footage from Gaza every day. There are buildings still standing. I read an article just yesterday about a woman living on one of the upper floors in an apartment block. Just like you can see with your eyes that though thete have been dire food shortages in some areas there has not been mass starvation.

If you said you'd murdered your neighbour I would take it seriously but I wouldn't believe it without evidence.

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:22

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 23:12

FFS, how many times? 92% of housing has not been destroyed. look it up, but also believe your eyes. We are seeing footage from Gaza every day. There are buildings still standing. I read an article just yesterday about a woman living on one of the upper floors in an apartment block. Just like you can see with your eyes that though thete have been dire food shortages in some areas there has not been mass starvation.

If you said you'd murdered your neighbour I would take it seriously but I wouldn't believe it without evidence.

FFS, how many times? 92% of housing has not been destroyed. look it up,

I did and that's what's coming up. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

The conflict has destroyed or damaged more than 90% of homes in Gaza and almost all infrastructure. Almost everyone in the territory has been displaced many times.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/palestinians-displaced-gaza-home-ceasefire-israel-hamas?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

The UN estimated that 92 percent of all residential buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed since the war began, and hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians have been forced to live in tents and other makeshift shelters.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/10/11/another-nakba-un-expert-says-gaza-recovery-will-take-generations

Palestinians displaced to southern Gaza begin journey home as ceasefire comes into effect

Thousands walk north along coastal road after Israel-Hamas agreement puts stop to fighting for first time in six months

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/palestinians-displaced-gaza-home-ceasefire-israel-hamas?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 23:27

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:22

FFS, how many times? 92% of housing has not been destroyed. look it up,

I did and that's what's coming up. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

The conflict has destroyed or damaged more than 90% of homes in Gaza and almost all infrastructure. Almost everyone in the territory has been displaced many times.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/palestinians-displaced-gaza-home-ceasefire-israel-hamas?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

The UN estimated that 92 percent of all residential buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed since the war began, and hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians have been forced to live in tents and other makeshift shelters.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/10/11/another-nakba-un-expert-says-gaza-recovery-will-take-generations

From your link @Pasly

Destroyed OR Damaged.

They don’t mean the same thing.

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:31

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 23:27

From your link @Pasly

Destroyed OR Damaged.

They don’t mean the same thing.

Yeah been here before, damaged is pretty much destroyed would you walk into a bomb damaged building without structural clearance? Would you expect Palestinians in Gaza to?

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:37

Honestly the constant need to minimise the horrific reality in Gaza is grim and I've no idea what is trying to be achieved by it

Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 23:56

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TomeTome · 12/10/2025 00:01

I think if you just focus on the children, and what they need (both in Israel and Gaza) the rest will follow.

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 06:54

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:31

Yeah been here before, damaged is pretty much destroyed would you walk into a bomb damaged building without structural clearance? Would you expect Palestinians in Gaza to?

We have indeed been here before but for the record - "damaged is pretty much destroyed" cannot be applied to all damaged buildings.

The damage can be huge or small that's just a fact. No one is trying to minimise the devastation in Gaza - we see it in photos - but it's still worth being truthful about what words mean.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 06:58

Pasly · 11/10/2025 23:22

FFS, how many times? 92% of housing has not been destroyed. look it up,

I did and that's what's coming up. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

The conflict has destroyed or damaged more than 90% of homes in Gaza and almost all infrastructure. Almost everyone in the territory has been displaced many times.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/10/palestinians-displaced-gaza-home-ceasefire-israel-hamas?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

The UN estimated that 92 percent of all residential buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed since the war began, and hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians have been forced to live in tents and other makeshift shelters.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/10/11/another-nakba-un-expert-says-gaza-recovery-will-take-generations

Right there in your quote.
DAMAGED or destroyed.
Very big difference. Blown out windows is damage. Its not destroyed.