Thoughts to the Jewish community in the UK

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There is a massive rise in anti semitism in the UK and other countries. Jewish people here have nothing to do with the conflict in Gaza, nothing at all.

The rise in anti semitism is disgusting.

Sending thoughts to the victims, their family and friends. No one should feel terrorised in the UK. People should feel safe here.

You can’t just redefine war to suit yourself. It’s an armed conflict. Hamas is armed. It has terrorist infrastructure built throughout Gaza.

To be fair this thread was posted in the Conflict in the Middle East section the op knew full well they'd be comments about Gaza. It's on odd place to post it if the soul aim was to show solidarity with Jewish people without anyone mentioning Gaza.

You're right, we know pro-Palestinians lack self control and just can't help themselves

I agree with the comments made by the Home Secretary on this:

Shabana Mahmood condemned pro-Gaza protests held in Manchester after the attack, saying they lacked "humanity" and were "fundamentally un-British".

Yes, I thought she was very good.

To be fair there is a thread about the attack in Manchester in general chat and many excuses about why it happened mentioning the war in Gaza.

No matter where you post sympathetic comments about Jewish people who were slaughtered you will get the but Gaza comments. It appears Jewish people don't matter, no matter where you post it turns away from sympathy to hate.

Finally there are some Jewish posters who read these threads and I want to show support for them. Is that not allowed? There are so many hate filled threads already.

Why the weird passive aggression response? I guess you also lack self control.

This is true. And threads expressing sympathy for innocent people in Gaza are filled with comments about Isreali hostages and Hamas.

This is what happens when we treat complex situations like football matches and pick a side to support.

It's horrific and it's not going to get any better unless there's a massive shift away from dehumanising those we perceive to be on the opposing side to us.

“A war is equal partners fighting” is a statement that is not only truly bizarre, it’s historically illiterate and just plain idiotic.

What other wars have had this obsession with proportionality directed at them?

Everyone in the UK should be able to feel safe at their place of worship, in their homes, schools and communities. It's awful that synagogues already need security volunteers as part of their routine.

I don't think it's helpful to imply (as some of the first posts on this thread have done) that the pro-Palestinian protests last night were spontaneously celebrating the terror attack in Manchester - they were about the symbolic aid flotilla being blocked. And to the poster above who said that it was anti-semitic to launch an aid flotilla around the time of Yom Kippur - I really can't see how it's inappropriate to try and bring food and medical aid to those who need it at any time of year.

You can't characterise everyone who turns up to a protest to try and end the suffering and deaths in Gaza as anti-semitic - I don't think it's fair on them and I don't think it's fair to British Jews who already have completely justifiable fears to exaggerate the proportion of the UK population who are anti-semitic.

Not that we should ignore genuine antisemitism and I think 'yes, but' responses to the synagogue attack are sailing very close to the wind. It's a horrible time in the UK with all the far right anti-asylum seeker protests and now this. I really hope there will be some community solidarity responses with non-Jewish people, maybe from nearby mosques and churches, coming out to protect synagogues.

LOUDER.

Shabana Mahmood condemned pro-Gaza protests held in Manchester after the attack, saying they lacked "humanity" and were "fundamentally un-British".

I agree

To be fair this thread was posted in the Conflict in the Middle East section the op knew full well they'd be comments about Gaza. It's on odd place to post it if the soul aim was to show solidarity with Jewish people without anyone mentioning Gaza.

Despite the OP stating "Jewish people here have nothing to do with the conflict in Gaza, nothing at all."

Where would you prefer she posted?

Why are you only targeting this at posters whose political views you don’t agree with?

If you are going to post in the middle east conflict section, you are setting yourself up for people to comment on the topic of the board. Why not post in chat if this thread is only for support and the OP doesnt want anyone to mention the conflict.

How, to live in Israel anyway, is to be aware of constant terror attacks.

I do think that some people in the West just choose to ignore the reality of constant terror and rocket attacks launched against Israel.

I watched an interview with an Israeli woman the other day where she was talking about sirens going off in the middle of the night and her rushing to the bomb shelter with her children.

She was explaining how in Tel Aviv the children knew they had one minute to do that, while in southern areas close to Gaza people usually only had about 15 seconds.

Why not post in chat if this thread is only for support and the OP doesnt want anyone to mention the conflict.

You could post anywhere and you would get the "but" comments. Jews don't count, do keep up!

I apologise if you were triggered by it, it was just an observation I had

Again, more passive aggression. Why? I don't think I've said any to undermine the horrendous nature of attack on the synagogue.

Perhaps I've triggered you?

Yes, usually people just say what Israel shouldn’t have done, but not what would have been an acceptable response.
Or, like pp, they suggest Israel should have arrested the perpetrators and tried them in the court of law, ignoring the fact that it wasn’t just a small group, but around 6,000 people (including hundreds of civilians) who stormed over the border on October 7th.

@PollyPaintsFlowerssorry but I think your comments are really offensive. There are many countries across the world who are standing up against the slaughter of innocent people in Gaza and therefore can be seen as “pro-Palestinian” are they in your mind “despicable”? Really?

Wars are never fought between equals, that’s just silly. If they were equals then no one would ever win. That’s why countries try to be stronger or have more allies or be sneakier or whatever.

Pearl Harbor killed 2,400 Americans - mostly troops. And the atomic bomb killed 210,000 plus more with the side effects and such. And now Americans go to Japan as tourists. War is brutal and awful and I hate all of it but it’s bizarre to pretend this scenario is unusual.

No attacks are justified. My thoughts go out to the community who must be scared right now.

Listening to the radio this morning there was a woman who lived in Jerusalem saying she felt safer there than she had ever done while living in England (she'd grown up in London). She spoke about the antisemitism she and her children experience when they come back to visit the UK and it is crazy

I am not Jewish but if I could move to Israel I would. As a non-Jew I also think I'd feel safer. I don't recognise the hatred in this country, there's always been prejudice, don't get me wrong, but not like what the Jewish community are experiencing and I feel ashamed of being British, it makes me feel dirty, none of this is being done in my name and I hate paying taxes and contributing to a society that has let this mushroom. I don't want to be associated in any way with antisemites and the hatred pro-Palestinians have stoked.

It's happened because of weak successive governments and the media, SKY News referred to the Manchester synagogue as a mosque three times yesterday, it's insulting. Andrew Marr let a Palestinian spokesman calling the hostages 'detainees' go unchallenged. I can't imagine being a Jew in the UK right now.

And the hate marches have turned our cities into cesspits. One woman on a march yesterday said she couldn't give a f*ck about the Jewish community, this is just hours after the terrorist attack. No other minority would be subjected to this. Yet we're told how these people on the marches aren't antisemitic and just want peace and love

Not in my name. None of it.