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Conflict in the Middle East

Thoughts to the Jewish community in the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 19:38

There is a massive rise in anti semitism in the UK and other countries. Jewish people here have nothing to do with the conflict in Gaza, nothing at all.

The rise in anti semitism is disgusting.

Sending thoughts to the victims, their family and friends. No one should feel terrorised in the UK. People should feel safe here.

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KoalaKoKo · 03/10/2025 21:25

GinaDav · 03/10/2025 12:57

I’m reading that two of the victims were actually shot by the police , resulting in one of the deaths? Has this been verified at all?

Yes the police shot a few people, one person died, another is critical and a few others are injured with gunshot wounds. The police issued an apology but it shouldn’t have happened. The man the police shot that died was bravely holding the door to stop the terrorist getting in. It is so tragic. There is so much bigotry and hate in the world, it is such a scary place.

My heart goes out to the jewish community and the families of the victims.

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 23:18

Sorry @BoredZeldathats quite an ignorant comment. Yes I generally know what religions my friends are and we do feel this event personally. I wonder about this place sometimes? Perhaps it’s an ill Taste joke?

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 23:22

I am not blaming the police and I haven’t read or heard that any blame is being apportioned to anyone either than the terrorist who plowed someone over and continued to stab people. That’s what shouldn’t have happened.

caringcarer · 03/10/2025 23:32

LeveretGrey · 03/10/2025 12:53

I'm Jewish. Not a single non-Jewish friend reached out to me after October 7 to express sorrow. Not one. Not even the ones who posted things like the French flag all over their SM after Bataclan. Or Ukrainian flags after Russia invaded Ukraine. I've seen many of them on MN talk about the horrors in Gaza, with justification of course. But not one ever said to me they were sad and sorry about the October 7.

I reached out to my Thai friends after October 7 because 39 Thai nationals died in October 7. I worked in Bangkok for 2 years in the late 1990s and still have friends. i reached out and expressed my sorrow and horror.

Not a single friend has reached out to me after yesterday's horror. I was prepared to let it go after October 7. Perhaps my friends did not understand the true hurt october 7 caused for Jews... the pain, the fear, the horror, the trauma.

After today with nothing- nup. It's deliberate. As David Baddiel says- Jews don't count and our suffering doesn't count.

That's truly shocking. I was on a cruise ship on day attack happened and reached out to a Jewish family who were understandably very upset and prayed with them and others also joined them to pray. We wanted them to feel supported. These were strangers to me as onim truly shocked your friends didn't reach out to support you through the horror.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/10/2025 03:54

It is awful. Car's and knives are freely accessible weapons ready to cause devastation.
Scary times.
I didn't realise the man holding the door died, I thought he was injured.
I saw his photo with his son.
Tragic loss of lives. The poor families.
I'm trying not to read the news lately, it's too much.

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 08:33

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 23:22

I am not blaming the police and I haven’t read or heard that any blame is being apportioned to anyone either than the terrorist who plowed someone over and continued to stab people. That’s what shouldn’t have happened.

I think in time questions will be raised given it now appears more people were injured by the police than the actual terrorist. If I found myself in a similar situation I would want to know I could trust a highly trained police marksman to have good enough aim to shoot the suspect and not me. It is certainly very worrying and will be investigated anyway.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 08:57

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 08:33

I think in time questions will be raised given it now appears more people were injured by the police than the actual terrorist. If I found myself in a similar situation I would want to know I could trust a highly trained police marksman to have good enough aim to shoot the suspect and not me. It is certainly very worrying and will be investigated anyway.

@GinaDavare you sure you have the correct information? The people were behind the door trying to stop entry. Presumably unknown to the police.

LidlAmaretto · 04/10/2025 09:09

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 08:33

I think in time questions will be raised given it now appears more people were injured by the police than the actual terrorist. If I found myself in a similar situation I would want to know I could trust a highly trained police marksman to have good enough aim to shoot the suspect and not me. It is certainly very worrying and will be investigated anyway.

They were barricading the door closed to try and stop him killing the entire congregation. The police had to shoot him dead to stop him doing that. The terrorist is entirely responsible for their deaths whether he stabbed them or not.

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 09:21

LidlAmaretto · 04/10/2025 09:09

They were barricading the door closed to try and stop him killing the entire congregation. The police had to shoot him dead to stop him doing that. The terrorist is entirely responsible for their deaths whether he stabbed them or not.

I know where they were. There will still be an enquiry into how they were injured by police gunfire. It shouldn’t have happened.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 09:30

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 09:21

I know where they were. There will still be an enquiry into how they were injured by police gunfire. It shouldn’t have happened.

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I agree a radicalised man who supported radical Islam shouldn't be allowed to kill people because they are Jewish. Yes, it shouldn't happen, but it did.

Maybe using the RESPECT programme for all young people. Everyone calling out people that appear to be becoming radicalised, calling out hate speech, etc etc. It needs a society wide approach. NOT IN OUR NAME, should be said by EVERYONE, not a rush to excuses or attribute blame elsewhere.....as is frequently seen.

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KoalaKoKo · 04/10/2025 11:56

The terrorist is clearly to blame for the deaths and if he had got in he obviously intended to kill more people but as so many people were shot they will need to look at the police training and what happened. No one is blaming the police for the terrorist attack, but after someone died and someone was critically injured by police bullets they will have to look into how it happened and what they can do to prevent it in future.

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/10/2025 12:12

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 08:57

@GinaDavare you sure you have the correct information? The people were behind the door trying to stop entry. Presumably unknown to the police.

This. Of course it was entirely accidental!

mids2019 · 04/10/2025 12:24

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/oct/04/antisemitism-has-been-allowed-to-grow-in-uk-says-jewish-security-group

I agree with is and the events of the past days were entirely predictable. There is a concern that those who wish to harm Jews are being buoyed on by the continual permissive environment for anti semitism on hate marches.

It looks like Hamas are on the ropes and there is a tentative peace prospect yet still the Jew hatred will go on on the streets and on SM.

When will it stop?

UK antisemitism ‘allowed to grow’, Jewish security group says before pro-Palestine protests

Head of policy at Community Security Trust calls Saturday’s planned protest against ban on Palestine Action ‘self absorbed and insensitive’

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/oct/04/antisemitism-has-been-allowed-to-grow-in-uk-says-jewish-security-group

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 13:19

mids2019 · 04/10/2025 12:24

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/oct/04/antisemitism-has-been-allowed-to-grow-in-uk-says-jewish-security-group

I agree with is and the events of the past days were entirely predictable. There is a concern that those who wish to harm Jews are being buoyed on by the continual permissive environment for anti semitism on hate marches.

It looks like Hamas are on the ropes and there is a tentative peace prospect yet still the Jew hatred will go on on the streets and on SM.

When will it stop?

I don't think it will stop. Sadly, anti semitism is rife. When the conflict ends there will be something to help those that hate continue in their hatred.

The UK and Europe have a massive problem and growing ever larger with the threat from Islamic terrorists and supporters. People don't call them out too busy focusing on Jewish people in the UK who do no harm.

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xanthomelana · 04/10/2025 13:30

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 08:33

I think in time questions will be raised given it now appears more people were injured by the police than the actual terrorist. If I found myself in a similar situation I would want to know I could trust a highly trained police marksman to have good enough aim to shoot the suspect and not me. It is certainly very worrying and will be investigated anyway.

I’m sure you would have handled it differently if you were presented with a terrorist wearing an explosive device. Police are human as well and make decisions in a split second, I’d imagine that the officer is beating himself up enough about it already without others adding to it.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/10/2025 16:47

LidlAmaretto · 04/10/2025 09:09

They were barricading the door closed to try and stop him killing the entire congregation. The police had to shoot him dead to stop him doing that. The terrorist is entirely responsible for their deaths whether he stabbed them or not.

They were very brave, it's so sad, in a civilised society.
I'm sure there'll be an enquiry, but for the terrorist attack, the police wouldn't have shot anyone, the terrorist is responsible for all of the deaths and injuries. 😪

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 17:58

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 09:30

I agree a radicalised man who supported radical Islam shouldn't be allowed to kill people because they are Jewish. Yes, it shouldn't happen, but it did.

Maybe using the RESPECT programme for all young people. Everyone calling out people that appear to be becoming radicalised, calling out hate speech, etc etc. It needs a society wide approach. NOT IN OUR NAME, should be said by EVERYONE, not a rush to excuses or attribute blame elsewhere.....as is frequently seen.

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Interesting how you just completely ignore the fact that a police officer is possibly going to find themselves on trial in the not too distant future, and certainly going to have to account for what went so tragically wrong.

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 18:01

xanthomelana · 04/10/2025 13:30

I’m sure you would have handled it differently if you were presented with a terrorist wearing an explosive device. Police are human as well and make decisions in a split second, I’d imagine that the officer is beating himself up enough about it already without others adding to it.

You do realise there’s a certain process after a police firearm is discharged don’t you? You might want to try and bury that part of the events but it’s going to be headline news before long anyway.

PurpleThistle7 · 04/10/2025 18:05

Wow. Of all the takes on this… blaming the police officer is a strange one. The terrorist is 100% to blame. The police officer prioritised exactly the right thing and this is why guns are a last resort - from what I read the bullet went through the door and hit someone else. This is exactly why you don’t use guns when there are other options because bullets go everywhere and it endangers everyone else too. The police officer, using what knowledge he had, ensured this violent maniac didn’t continue hurting people and I’m grateful to him.

HouseOfStarkk · 04/10/2025 18:09

They had to shoot because it looked like he had a bomb on him. Imagine if it was a viable bomb and he managed to set it off? How many more people could have been killed?
The police obviously didn't shoot to kill innocent people.

HouseOfStarkk · 04/10/2025 18:10

The police should be commended for their swift action and bravery. I'm sure the policeman who shot the innocent man is feeling bad enough as it is.

LidlAmaretto · 04/10/2025 18:15

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 17:58

Interesting how you just completely ignore the fact that a police officer is possibly going to find themselves on trial in the not too distant future, and certainly going to have to account for what went so tragically wrong.

I doubt he is going to be on trial. There may be an enquiry but shooting a terrorist dead who was hacking their way into a place full of people with what looks like a stab vest will not lead to the officer being on trial. I'm not quite sure what your angle is here.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/10/2025 20:48

GinaDav · 04/10/2025 17:58

Interesting how you just completely ignore the fact that a police officer is possibly going to find themselves on trial in the not too distant future, and certainly going to have to account for what went so tragically wrong.

He won't be on trial. There is always an investigation when someone is shot, that's standard procedure. However, a terrorist with a potential suicide vest was there and an officer discharged his weapon attempting to take fiwn said terrorist and sadly others were hurt. The investigation will establish what happened, that's normal.

Why are you SO KEEN to blame anyone BUT THE TERRORIST..... odd thinking. As I previously said the only one to blame is the scum terrorist that shouldn't even have his vile name repeated.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 04/10/2025 22:11

PurpleThistle7 · 04/10/2025 18:05

Wow. Of all the takes on this… blaming the police officer is a strange one. The terrorist is 100% to blame. The police officer prioritised exactly the right thing and this is why guns are a last resort - from what I read the bullet went through the door and hit someone else. This is exactly why you don’t use guns when there are other options because bullets go everywhere and it endangers everyone else too. The police officer, using what knowledge he had, ensured this violent maniac didn’t continue hurting people and I’m grateful to him.

Absolutely. To try to apportion blame in those circumstances is wrong. That officer will be going through hell. Alongside the families.