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Conflict in the Middle East

Thoughts to the Jewish community in the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 19:38

There is a massive rise in anti semitism in the UK and other countries. Jewish people here have nothing to do with the conflict in Gaza, nothing at all.

The rise in anti semitism is disgusting.

Sending thoughts to the victims, their family and friends. No one should feel terrorised in the UK. People should feel safe here.

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PaxAeterna · 03/10/2025 13:01

NoFutureHere · 03/10/2025 11:24

Someone mentioned donating to CST and I think that’s a great idea. If you’re not in a position to do that then you can still speak out.

Not one of my friends has messaged me after yesterday. Not to ask if we are okay or acknowledge what happened. Many of them continue to post stories about Gaza on their social media but not one of them as acknowledged this.

Reach out to Jews you know who will be frightened. Post a story about how you are thinking of those affected by this and don’t justify it or caveat it or use it to compare what’s happening Gaza. Don’t speculate on the victims thoughts about Israel. Just send out one kind and compassionate thought for the people murdered right here yesterday just for being Jewish.

Write to your MP about the growing antisemitism problem. The Jewish community it too small to make anyone listen. If you’re the silent majority then please don’t be silent now. Don’t let them shrug us off or dismiss what’s happened. It’s so easy to think you won’t bother because it won’t make a difference but your voices show what voters care about. Please show you care about Jews. Make this impossible to ignore.

You don’t have to ONLY care about Jews. But yesterday, there was a terrorist attack killing and injuring Jews just for who they are. You don’t have to stop caring about other causes but maybe just for one measly letter, one social media story, one text message, we can let it be about Jews.

Thank you for the reminder. I just texted a Jewish friend. We are in Ireland but of course these things are very frightening happening just across the water.

It is horrific that Jewish people in Britain are targeted because of what’s happening in Gaza. Nobody should be targeted or in fear because of their religious beliefs.

inamarina · 03/10/2025 13:01

LeveretGrey · 03/10/2025 12:53

I'm Jewish. Not a single non-Jewish friend reached out to me after October 7 to express sorrow. Not one. Not even the ones who posted things like the French flag all over their SM after Bataclan. Or Ukrainian flags after Russia invaded Ukraine. I've seen many of them on MN talk about the horrors in Gaza, with justification of course. But not one ever said to me they were sad and sorry about the October 7.

I reached out to my Thai friends after October 7 because 39 Thai nationals died in October 7. I worked in Bangkok for 2 years in the late 1990s and still have friends. i reached out and expressed my sorrow and horror.

Not a single friend has reached out to me after yesterday's horror. I was prepared to let it go after October 7. Perhaps my friends did not understand the true hurt october 7 caused for Jews... the pain, the fear, the horror, the trauma.

After today with nothing- nup. It's deliberate. As David Baddiel says- Jews don't count and our suffering doesn't count.

I’m so sorry to hear that non of your non-Jewish friends reached out to you after October 7th 💐
It’s so incomprehensible, like it’s a blind spot for some people.
Even (or especially?) for those who are usually very outspoken about any other social issues.

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 13:02

ThisLemonHare · 03/10/2025 12:53

Thank you @BrinkWomanship and @NoFutureHere for those concrete suggestions. I said on another thread that most of us won't know any Jewish people in real life to offer support, it's such a tiny population. You are quite right that the security of British Jewish people lies in our hands too. We need to step up.

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You may know them but not know they're Jewish. Many people don't outwardly express their faith for many reasons.

GinaDav · 03/10/2025 13:03

clipboardz · 03/10/2025 12:58

Daily mail has said that

So has the BBC.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 13:08

GinaDav · 03/10/2025 13:03

So has the BBC.

It’s horrendous. For the police and victim. They were behind the door bravely trying to stop entry, presumably unknown to police.

BrinkWomanship · 03/10/2025 13:12

I find it hard to tell people I'm Jewish. It's a scary thing to disclose. It feels like I'm handing my safety to someone I don't know well. I understand that my disclosure will change perceptions of me. I'm blond (ish!), live in a 'middle England' area and don't conform to stereotypes. My family have been living in and contributing to the UK for 150 years; we are very anglicised.

This attack has emboldened me a little to be more vocal about it. I want people to know we're 'normal' (such a loaded term) and that Jewish people are having a shit time. I told two people at the gym this morning and one of my neighbours in conversation (I didn't just announce it, it was pertinent to our chats!) but they were very supportive and curious.

I also posted on my social media how scared and vulnerable Jews are feeling. By being so proactive about it, I had lots of friends reach out to me to offer support. Before my social media activity, two friends had spontaneously got in touch. Amplifying my message seemed to have a good effect. I'd encourage more Jewish people to do the same. To reach beyond our usual safe spaces of voicing our fears to other Jews so that those who have the power to do something about it might become more educated, engaged and active. It's not a panacea by any stretch but a useful thing to do nevertheless.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/10/2025 13:22

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 13:02

You may know them but not know they're Jewish. Many people don't outwardly express their faith for many reasons.

I think this is true. I have been wondering if there are people that we know and don't realise that they are Jewish. I would hate to think that they might be wondering why we haven't reached out to them.

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 13:37

Beachtastic · 02/10/2025 19:48

The rise in antisemitism in the West has been orchestrated by Hamas propaganda ever since 7/10, and I would love to hope thta what happened today might give some people pause for thought. But I doubt it, sadly.

Hamas didn’t invent anti-Semitism. To pretend it’s their fault denies the problems we have in the U.K. with it, always have done. One might argue the Israeli government has also led to a rise, but the truth is, those who are anti-Semitic need no encouragement.

Just as being Jewish doesn’t mean supporting what is happening in Palestine, being against Israel doesn’t make someone anti-Semitic. One is a political view and one is a religious view.

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 13:43

LeveretGrey · 03/10/2025 12:53

I'm Jewish. Not a single non-Jewish friend reached out to me after October 7 to express sorrow. Not one. Not even the ones who posted things like the French flag all over their SM after Bataclan. Or Ukrainian flags after Russia invaded Ukraine. I've seen many of them on MN talk about the horrors in Gaza, with justification of course. But not one ever said to me they were sad and sorry about the October 7.

I reached out to my Thai friends after October 7 because 39 Thai nationals died in October 7. I worked in Bangkok for 2 years in the late 1990s and still have friends. i reached out and expressed my sorrow and horror.

Not a single friend has reached out to me after yesterday's horror. I was prepared to let it go after October 7. Perhaps my friends did not understand the true hurt october 7 caused for Jews... the pain, the fear, the horror, the trauma.

After today with nothing- nup. It's deliberate. As David Baddiel says- Jews don't count and our suffering doesn't count.

Do they know you are Jewish? I have no idea if any of the people I know are Jewish/catholic/protestant/mormon etc. But even if they did, I’m not sure I would think about whether an attack on somewhere that other than sharing a religious commonality has no link to them, would affect them personally. Should we do this for any event that shares a commonality with our friends? If someone attacks a school, do we reach out to everyone who has kids at a school, for example?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 13:43

mids2019 · 03/10/2025 07:01

One thing that should happen after this tragedy is that UEFA kick out the anti semitic calls for Isarel to kicked out of international football. That would be a start and something maybe our PM could say. By attacking Israeli and Jewish outreach and symbolism we are complicit in engendering a culture of Jews don't count. It's a slippery slope when you start saying your sportsmen and artists don't count to your lives don't count.

Yeah who’s behind the funding of things like this.
Who is funding this hate.

Twiglets1 · 03/10/2025 13:55

LeveretGrey · 03/10/2025 12:53

I'm Jewish. Not a single non-Jewish friend reached out to me after October 7 to express sorrow. Not one. Not even the ones who posted things like the French flag all over their SM after Bataclan. Or Ukrainian flags after Russia invaded Ukraine. I've seen many of them on MN talk about the horrors in Gaza, with justification of course. But not one ever said to me they were sad and sorry about the October 7.

I reached out to my Thai friends after October 7 because 39 Thai nationals died in October 7. I worked in Bangkok for 2 years in the late 1990s and still have friends. i reached out and expressed my sorrow and horror.

Not a single friend has reached out to me after yesterday's horror. I was prepared to let it go after October 7. Perhaps my friends did not understand the true hurt october 7 caused for Jews... the pain, the fear, the horror, the trauma.

After today with nothing- nup. It's deliberate. As David Baddiel says- Jews don't count and our suffering doesn't count.

That must be so upsetting that no friends reached out to check you were ok after 7/10 or yesterday's attack. Even a private message would have been better than nothing if they didn't want to put support for Israel on their social media (though a reluctance to do this on 7/10 would also be wrong).

I don't know what to say but sorry you have been affected by this. Your friends are shit friends. That is not a comforting response, I'm aware.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 13:56

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 13:43

Yeah who’s behind the funding of things like this.
Who is funding this hate.

I started going down this rabbit hole a while back. Lots of things link back to Qatar

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 14:02

clipboardz · 03/10/2025 07:34

I do not need to, everyone can see it for what it is.

Yes I see it.

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 14:02

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 13:43

Yeah who’s behind the funding of things like this.
Who is funding this hate.

Follow the money. Could FIFA be changed to fafo? Depends whether people care enough.
Apparently boycotts are very effective, but Qatar hosted a world cup without much furore.

didalittlenamechange · 03/10/2025 14:19

BoredZelda · 03/10/2025 13:43

Do they know you are Jewish? I have no idea if any of the people I know are Jewish/catholic/protestant/mormon etc. But even if they did, I’m not sure I would think about whether an attack on somewhere that other than sharing a religious commonality has no link to them, would affect them personally. Should we do this for any event that shares a commonality with our friends? If someone attacks a school, do we reach out to everyone who has kids at a school, for example?

Is this for real?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 14:33

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/10/2025 13:56

I started going down this rabbit hole a while back. Lots of things link back to Qatar

Thank you I am always interested in who is sponsoring and funding hate.
Going to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I despise people like Soros.

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 14:38

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 03/10/2025 14:33

Thank you I am always interested in who is sponsoring and funding hate.
Going to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I despise people like Soros.

Another rabbit hole when you hear academics speak is to see who sponsors their research, and obviously what that research is.

Lots of money being gratefully received by education.

PurpleThistle7 · 03/10/2025 14:55

Everyone who knows me at all knows I’m Jewish. I host Chanukah parties and all sorts. My kids have stood up in front of their entire school and talked about different holidays. We don’t hide at all.

I’ve had 2 texts from friends. I appreciate them greatly but I am a bit surprised. Many people know what happened to my daughter last year so they know I’m anxious

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 15:03

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 14:38

Another rabbit hole when you hear academics speak is to see who sponsors their research, and obviously what that research is.

Lots of money being gratefully received by education.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_US_higher_education

https://www.ft.com/content/fa6d15a4-f6ed-11e8-af46-2022a0b02a6c

Qatari involvement in US higher education - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_US_higher_education

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/10/2025 15:09

PurpleThistle7 · 03/10/2025 14:55

Everyone who knows me at all knows I’m Jewish. I host Chanukah parties and all sorts. My kids have stood up in front of their entire school and talked about different holidays. We don’t hide at all.

I’ve had 2 texts from friends. I appreciate them greatly but I am a bit surprised. Many people know what happened to my daughter last year so they know I’m anxious

I'm sorry that you haven't had more support. And I don't know what happened to your daughter last year, but I'm also very sorry if she has been the victim of antisemitism. Please be assured that many of us are horrified by the hatred that is being shown to your community. And that includes many of us who may have strong views about the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza. It is absurd and offensive to suggest that Jewish people in Britain bear any responsibility whatsoever for the actions of a government on another continent.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 15:15

Strictlycomeparent · 02/10/2025 21:51

  1. Appalling attack that can have no possible justification. I send support to any Jewish people feeling scared. There can be no space for antisemitism in Britain.

  2. I’m heartbroken about Gaza and the actions of the Israeli government.

Those two things should only be held together by the common thread which is all humans, everywhere have worth and dignity and should be safe to live their lives in peace. This applies as much to every person wherever they live and whatever faith they practice or ethnicity they are.

Agree completely.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/10/2025 15:29

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 15:15

Agree completely.

Likewise

quantumbutterfly · 03/10/2025 15:59

Would be nice if people would stop killing each other and coexist peacefully, yes. We can at least address that issue in our home countries, that is within our power though history warns that can quickly change.
Most people would not have predicted war breaking out in Europe again, and yet it has.
Peace is hard won and some in the UK at the moment seem unaware of that, or maybe they're not invested enough in peace on their doorstep.

AmIthatSpringy · 03/10/2025 17:39

FattyMcFattyArse · 02/10/2025 22:38

I agree with your points, but what I'm saying is that Netanyahu has whipped up hatred or at least resentment over the past 2 years. I think he has done Jewish people around the world a huge disservice by putting them in danger through his actions. People will want to retaliate. They shouldn't do so of course, but Israel has fostered bad feeling through its persecution of the Gazans and destruction of their homes and families.

If my government committed atrocities against a country or a people, then I would feel afraid of repercussions against me from those affected because of my nationality or affiliation. It's wrong that it happens, but it seems causative to me.

They're British. It's not their government.

LeveretGrey · 03/10/2025 17:46

Yes exactly. Should British people be targeted with hate and murdered because of the actions of the British government abroad? Now or in the long lost past? Should Orthodox Christians throughout eastern Europe/ the Balkans etc be expected to account for the actions of Putin?

No-one, but no-one expects all Muslims to answer for the actions of Hamas. Or thr Houthis. Or Isis. Or Al-Qaida. Why should Jewish people with no connection to Israel be expected to answer for the actions of a Netanyahu government? It's nonsensical.