Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Not even attempting to hide the bigotry!

There has been at statement on the peace plan from Ireland. Welcoming the plan, carefully worded to say “ we hope it can provide a basis for progress towards peace”

points out that Palestinians and the people of Israel need to be at the heart of a sustainable agreement that delivers lasting peace - adds in that we know this from Northern Ireland.

Totally bizarre that you think that there would not be one. Ireland was once on outlier calling for a ceasefire but it really isn’t now.

At least Hells is honest, not hiding under a cloak of faux empathy for the suffering of civilians.

Bigotry is what is wrong with the world - the terrorist attack today was caused by bigotry. When we think people are less than us because they are a different ethnicity, religion or race and attribute bad characteristics to people based on their ethnicity we can justify all sorts of terrible acts.

Most of us actually feel empathy for other human beings, mothers in particular do not want to see small children suffer. If you don’t care about children dying and suffering, if you are not moved by the images of crying children who have lost family members and have no food, you have something seriously wrong with you.

Lofty sentiments, which I agree with in general; but if you are blind to the rise of radical Islam and the threat it poses to Israel... and more broadly to the Jewish people, including here in the UK... then I'm not sure what it will take to get you to see the dangers here

You do know that radical Islam is acknowledged as the greatest terror threat to Europe? Not just to Israel?

Can I just remind you of this inflammatory and hateful post? No wonder attacks like the one in Manchester today are happening.

All in society need to realise that Islamic terrorists are a growing threat. Apparently there are almost 39,000 islamists on the 'watch list ' in the UK. Everyone needs to play a part in calling out and reporting people who are radicalised. Recognise the problem and look for solutions.

There was a thwarted Hamas attack in Germany today.

The Jewist people in Manchester have not helped bomb anyone in the middle east.

What a sick twisted comment.

What excuses do you offer for islamist terrorist attacks in other parts of the world.

The thwarted Hamas attack in Germany today, support that too do you, excuses for that too, Germany isn't bombing anyone either.

This isn't a thread about Manchester and I never said that they did? Why are you twisting what I said?

To make it clear I said Islamic terrorism rises when Western governments help blow up children in the middle east. Nothing about Jewish people. Manchester or anything else you have made up in your mind.

Germany is the second biggest arms supplier to Israel. The second biggest contributer in the West to 1000s of children being blown up.

Which do you think is the bigger threat, Islamic terrorism in the West or Western supplied weapons in the Middle East. Who is the bigger killer?

I'm not making 'excuses'. You talk about 'understanding a growing threat' but don't want to look at what increases that threat? Let's just all stick our fingers in our ears then and pretend that governments helping to blow up innocent people in the 1000s has no effect at all on the terror threat. Two completely unrelated topics.

These are two separate issues though

you can recognise the growing danger of extremism and also say that you think a genocide isn’t okay.

There is a genocide happening in Gaza in front of our eyes. Palestinians are being massacred daily. It is ongoing. I find the comment that the ‘IDF are wasting precious time’ in the context of this to be sickening.

The nasty personalised attacks on Greta facilitated by this post are horrible. The flotilla are a peaceful group of people. They are not the villains.

There is no genocide. There is no mass, random bombing. There is no machine gunning of civilians, nor bombing of refugee camps.
If there were, the death toll would be 500,000 or more by now.

They’re not villains but they’re not exactly shrewd peace activists are they? People like Greta are so used to being centre stage and told that they’re special and our only hope, they truly believe they are entitled to wade into anything. I’m sure she sympathises with Palestinians but the whole exercises is pointless egotism. She knows they won’t ’break the blockade’, she knows the aid they’re taking is symbolic amount which will probably cause a stampede if she even gets ashore.

The only people I respect at this point are those urging Hamas to sign the peace deal and for the Abraham Accords to be upheld as peace in the region is so close if only they would let it happen. As soon as that’s done, the killing ends and Gaza can be rebuilt. Nobody is being relocated according to the deal. That’s what is urgently needed - not a few boxes of formula and Greta waving a flag and posing on the decks.

At this point anyone grandstanding to create further tensions is directly standing in the way of peace.

Your attitude and beliefs about others’ expressions of empathy say a lot about you.

To be fair there is alot of false sympathy for the suffering of Gazan civilians and Gaza.

If people genuinely wanted to see the end of Gazan civilian casualties and destruction of Gaza then they would be out protesting for Hamas to accept the peace deal.

Instead some of these same protesters are objecting to the peace deal which simply shows that their real motive is not about the suffering of Gazan civilians but rather about a hatred for Israel and Jews.

This is what happens to activists when Hamas get hold of them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13088630?app-referrer=deep-link%3C/a%3E

An Italian pro-Palestinian activist has been found dead in the Hamas-governed Gaza Strip hours after being abducted.

Vittorio Arrigoni, 36, was seized on Thursday by a radical group that has been in conflict with Hamas and is seeking the release of its leader.

Police said he was found hanged in a Gaza City house after receiving a tip-off. Two people have been arrested.

Italy denounced the "barbaric murder", calling it an "act of vile and senseless violence".

Mr Arrigoni was the first foreigner kidnapped in Gaza since BBC journalist Alan Johnston was abducted in 2007.

Friends of the activist gathered outside the hospital where his body had been taken on Friday morning.

"He came from across the world, left his country and family and his entire life and came here to break the siege, and we kill him? Why?" asked one of his friends.

Italian diplomats have been in touch with Israel regarding the transfer of the body from the Gaza Strip, possibly on Sunday, an Israeli official has told the BBC.

I agree. People posting on this board in good faith (from either side) will naturally want an end to the war and an end to the suffering more than anything.

Those quibbling over how the peace plan isn't perfect are showing their true colours in my opinion. Just stop the bloody war instead of pretending there is any way a perfect plan can ever be achieved that both sides will love.

My God, an Islamist movement itself that considers Hamas as too moderate ... the mind boggles.

Absolutely.

I’m a Zionist insofar as I don’t want to dismantling of and mass deportation of Jews from Israel. I believe now the state has been created, it is their right to live in their home and have a homeland. No point quibbling over what is already done now. Any sensible moderate would agree with me.

However I have also made sure I have viewed undiluted, unfiltered videos of what is happening to civilians in Gaza and as with any conflict it is horrific beyond words. A toddler without an eye; a small girl with her innards hanging out. This is intolerable to watch let alone live, and these are precious children, regardless of their parents ideology.

The only way through is the Accords and for brave Muslims to work to moderate their religion and make it harmonious in the modern age. There are Muslims doing this but it’s difficult and dangerous work for them and I admire them probably more than anyone else on the face of this Earth.

Anyone pushing for further conflict from their safe and comfortable living room is indeed showing their true colours.