Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

[TicklishMauveSquid]

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

@TicklishMauveSquidas long as they aren’t gay, queer or anything that doesn’t fit well with some of their more extreme contingent.

No one is defending Hamas here, everyone has acknowledged they are murderers, but plenty are defending the murdering rapist terror group the IDF! The IDF are war criminals. Israel is committing war crimes. Israel has no right to govern international waters. The flotilla is legally within their rights to sail in international waters and to deliver aid to Gaza.

In your opinion. Much like your dismissive post about ‘god’ I am going to take it with a pinch of salt.

We will see how far they get ? Or you never know with Trump’s new peace deal having Greta welcomed in could be the final piece of the plan.

This.

Apparently it’s 250km from Israeli waters.

At 1.08 knots, if they sail any slower they will go backwards.

I It doesn't matter about the Flotilla. Regardless there is a horrific genocide taking place in Gaza.

Half of what you said was correct.

The post is about the flotilla, if it doesnt matter then we can agree its a virtual signalling, provocative publicity stunt, funded by Hamas.

So now how much of the Hamas provided statistics and pictures coming out of Gaza do I now believe?

Posted on the other thread but for the benefit of those on this thread:

Italy PM tells Gaza aid flotilla to stop or risk 'preventing peace'

More than 40 boats sailing in the Global Sumud Flotilla (GSF) have been accompanied by an Italian naval frigate, which Italian officials said would stop once the flotilla was 150 nautical miles (278km) from Gaza's shoreline.

Shortly after reaching that point on Wednesday, GSF said it was on "high alert" and that drone activity was "increasing" above the flotilla.

Meloni said the US proposal had sparked "hope" of ending the Israel-Hamas war, adding it was "a fragile balance, which many would be happy to destroy".

"I fear that the flotilla's attempt to break the Israeli naval blockade could serve as a pretext to do so," Meloni said.

Italian officials have urged the flotilla to accept a compromise and drop the aid in Cyprus to avoid a confrontation with Israel.

"Any other choice risks becoming a pretext for preventing peace, fuelling conflict and therefore affecting above all the people of Gaza," Meloni said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyr2lwg1rjo

This isn’t the win you think it is.

Italy are acknowledging that Israel will attack anyone. Their blockade is illegal.

Heads so far up their own asses all they can see is their own shit.

Yes they are a bunch of idiots who don't even respect that a peace plan is potentially about to be agreed and it's not the time to - no pun intended - rock the boat.

Currently somewhere in the Middle East. Nobody here trusts any European government's or any US "peace" plans - definitely not anything with Blair's name on it.

But they do all follow the flotilla and worry for their safety. Oh and ... good luck to anyone seeking to buy a coke. It's BDS all the way around here.

They genuinely don't care what Meloni thinks. And why should they?

@SomeWomanSomewhere so what do they think is the route to peace?

You must feel sad then that your government has endorsed the peace plan?

Unless your government is Iran.

But it isn’t a peace plan.

Netanyahu has said he will reject any statehood for Palestine. It’s just free rein for Israel to go in and flatten it.

Netanyahu won't consider a 2 state solution while he's in charge but he won't be PM forever, there are elections next year.

It's a plan to stop the war so that would be a more peaceful outcome than not stopping the war.

Point16 stipulates that the IDF will gradually withdraw from Gaza:

Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

Exactly. Imagine Hamas saying that they would agree to the plan but then in the same breath saying that they will resist Israels existence with force and refuse to disarm. That's exactly what Israel are doing. And posters are doing the same the thing that they always do, refuse to actually listen to what Israel are saying that their plans are. 50000 dead and injured children, 2 million people starved and most of Gaza flattened isn't enough for them to believe Israel when they tell us that they are genocidal.

I thought it was already flattened? How many times can a flat thing be reflattened?

The plan clearly sets out a plan for a ceasefire which Hamas can choose to accept.

Not sure the flotilla activists or some on mn want the peace deal to be agreed upon, and carried out, especially in light of negativity yesterday.

Are the activists so full of ego that they would ignore the pleas of Italy (and others) that the fragile balance of trying to agreed a peace deal might be jeopardised by them. Yes I believe they have massive egos.

If feels like many enjoy the cause rather too much, otherwise they'd hope the peace plan with immediate end to war is agreed. Hamas probably want to see what support they have if they turn it down. Obviously the safety of their own people is not a consideration to them. Will they want to keep the power and adoration.

Immediate stopping of the war is in the plan, sounds like peace. Ending killing is good, isn't it?

It's not a "siege" and it's not illegal. It's a legal war waged in response to the invasion of Israel, the murder of 1195 Israeli citizens, the kidnapping of 251 Israeli, African and Thai people, which included 30 children, one of them only 9 months old.
This followed on from over a decade of regular shelling by rockets from inside Gazan territory by the terrorist organisation Hamas, who were voted in as the government by the majority.
Greta and her ship of fools are working for and with a terrorist organisation, while useful idiots in the west clap like seals.

But they do all follow the flotilla and worry for their safety

I don't particularly give a shit what happens to them, except that it would be annoying to see Greta and her chums elevated to martyr status.