Israel has ordered the whole of north Gaza to evacuate

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czx05061vz9t

I don’t know why they act like this is the right thing to do. If you say "I'm going to stab someone", and then do it, it's still murder.

@Twiglets1

Also, let me be very clear because you seem to need the clarity: ‘You say you don’t hate Israel but you certainly post like someone would who did hate them.’

I do not hate Israel or its people. I am holding the Israeli government and military accountable for actions that violate international law, including the disproportionate targeting of civilians and children.

I could say the same for the many pro-Israeli posters on here who have show little to no empathy for the suffering of Palestinian civilians, even children, and have consistently made disgusting jokes or light of the situation on other threads.

Criticising specific policies or reporting verified humanitarian crises is not hatred- it’s insisting on accountability and the protection of human lives. Accusing someone of ‘hating Israel’ simply for highlighting these facts is both misleading and a distraction from the real issue.

It seems to a lot of pro Palestinian people peace in reality not a cessation of violence but some sort of return to pre 1948 when the modern state of Israel didn't exist. Even if we get a ceasefire and a push of of a two state solution you can't change the territorial realities on the ground. Palestinians will always feel a sense of injustice simply because Israel exists and therefore I do wonder where the peace makers are going to come from on both sides. Hamas exists partly because Palestinians wanted a government that stood square behind the profound desire of getting rid of Israel and inflicting as much damage possible on the people of they view as an oppressor. I don't think fundamentally this view has changed in Gazan society and it may be the case quite perversely they would see the appointment of a government that caught peace with Israel as a surrender and forces within Gaza would work to get rid of any peace seeking government for one could quench their desire for revenge.

I think in this context those that are pro ending cessation of combat air back and think what sort of peace they want and at least have a bit of honesty to say they don't want a 2 state solution because they never wanted Israel in the first place. 'From the river to the sea' is a mantra many of the fervid protesters stand by. We hope to set the end of Hamas and the cessation of hostilities but no one seems to have a day after plan. Part of the reason for this is that the only plan many Gazans have is the eradication of Israel and it's people and until Israel feels that this is not a guiding sentiment in Gaza peace looks distant.

Why can’t you just answer the question that’s been asked instead of asking a different question in order to deflect?

People make light hearted jokes but not about the suffering of children.

Twisting things doesn't work on here because we all see exactly who says what and the jokes that are made and they aren't how you describe them.

I've seen people on the pro Palestinian side make light hearted remarks too but I wouldn't leap on them to say how can you be light hearted when there are Israeli hostages starving, don't you care about them at all?

You did say like it's a fact that Israel is "killing hundreds of thousands of children".

This is according to Gideon Polyer who has been an activist against Israel for many years. Other sources will have different estimates and even Hamas suggest a much lower number of deaths.

And you didn't post the names of your source until asked to do so by @dairydebris suggesting you post a link to the source.

There have been lots of grotesque comments. unfortunately I haven’t saved them to memory and I’m not going to go trawling back through threads. The ones that spring to my mind from the last week are:
‘I bet a few people are wanking over that on the “flotilla”’.
“I'm sure I wouldn't have been the only one to want to nuke the fuckers into oblivion“

Israel is definitely killing tens of thousands of children.

Just say that then.

All these comments and not one has addressed my original point.

But surely this goes for both sides . Israel are completely against a Palestinian state and are setting in motion events to ensure this happens.

https://www.thejournal.ie/netanyahu-palestinian-state-west-bank-e1-settlement-6814448-Sep2025/

The only plan many in power in Israel have is the eradication of Gaza and unfortunately they have the means to do this.

Netanyahu said “We are going to fulfil our promise that there will be no Palestinian state. This place belongs to us.”

I wonder if Netanyahu meant from the river to the sea?

He sounds like Putin to me. Twins separated at birth those two.

And he is carrying that promise out but yet it's because of Palestinans there will be no 2 state solution???

I cannot understand the logic behind these statements.

That’s mocking the flotilla participants who we see as being performative. It is not mocking the suffering of children.

You distracted us by saying something that needed challenging.

ahh right, I see

Sure 👍

Look at Northern Ireland - there used to be army check points, borders, bombs, kidnappings, murder from both sides. Today there are no borders, both sides with equal rights, equal opportunities. You give people freedom, opportunities, self determination and they will just want to get on with their own lives and let the past be in the past.

Israel are also evil, given they’ve killed over 600,000 people in the last 2 years. But maybe you don’t care about that?

If Israel hasnt actually killed 600,000 people, are they still evil?

they have definitely killed 20, 000 children, would you say that is evil?

But they have? And yes, personally I think murdering, starving and committing genocide is evil.

We've just been through this.

But ok.

You cant just make things up.

Whats your source for this over 600,000 people killed by Israel?

You said 50000 higher up this thread?

50,000 is the number killed and injured though it is probably much more