Israel has ordered the whole of north Gaza to evacuate

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czx05061vz9t

I don’t know why they act like this is the right thing to do. If you say "I'm going to stab someone", and then do it, it's still murder.

The situation is designed to lead to despair, the misinformation spread on this site is meant to make people go oh it is all too complicated and just give up any opposition to international law being trashed and a corralled civilian population being slaughtered because “oh Hamas” . I abhor fundamentalists Christian and Islamic but what is being perpetrated in Gaza is just horrifying and needs to be stopped

It really isn’t.

Telling that you characterise additional information and counter evidence as 'oh its all too complicated'...

Most people would consider that as widening their perspective.

Yes the narrow perspective you expouse does make things seem simpler but that does not make it closer to reality.

You think there’s an organised campaign of misinformation here on Mumsnet designed to make people stop objecting to the war?

Who is organising this campaign? Is it Mossad? It’s Mossad, isn’t it?

Am I part of the campaign? Am I an agent provocateur spreading misinformation?

(I like how anything you disagree with is “misinformation” rather than a differing viewpoint! My views are based on things I’ve seen and read. Any that I wasn’t sure about I found additional sources of info, cross-referenced them, found some further viewpoints and then formed an opinion)

I have absolutely no idea what motivates you @Lolapusht . You keep on trying to justify 20,000 dead children, I don’t think there is anything that does

The poster asked you a number of questions. You talk about power imbalance. The first part of the poster's point was "The only ethnic cleansing in Gaza is where Israel forcibly removed its own citizens. Do you condemn that as ethnic cleansing?" .... ny removing all its own citizens from Gaza and letting them get on with it then Gazans had control, sadly the then election of Hamas and subsequent actions led to this situation years later. Those years after Israel removed its own citizens from the area were squandered by Palestinians, no one to blame but themselves and their own decisions. You chose to ignore the points made yet again 🙄

This. The situation isn't, and has never been straightforward black and white. The thinking that its not just Israel bad, Palestinian good is too much for some to understand.

@TreesTreesBeesBees thanks for reposting my post

you have missed out large and inconvenient for you parts of the history of Gaza, Israel resrtricting food supplies into Gaza before October 7th, multiple incursions eg operation cast lead etc, continuous breaches of the human rights of Palestinians, detention without trial, extrajudicial killings and on and on

Incorrect. Point to all the misinformation being spread please?

I agree the conflict needs to end, hostages need releasing and Hamas needs to go for the good of everyone. The latest ceasefire agreement is requesting those things, if more people joined in calling for that, maybe Hamas might realise it doesn't have popular support.

You wouldn't have the same opinion of England not opening their border if the same thing was happening in Wales. Why is that?

Also, it's not 'murder' it's war.

Bizarre, but yes if England killed 20,000 Welsh children, I would be calling for them to stop

No. That's not what I was saying.

If say, Scotland was bombing Wales and England didn't open their border people would go crazy. But no one seems to mind Egypt keeping their border closed.

@Everexpanding pointing out you completely missed the poster's comments is not a problem. Your choice to avoid the poster's questions though. I imagine by ignoring others points then you might not receive replies to your points either. As previously mentioned, the situation is years old and not as simple as Israel bad and Palestinian good though.

Do you think the uk should have blanket bombed Northern Ireland? Happy to have seen 20,000 Irish children killed?

Israel is responsible for its actions.

The situation could be eased for the women and children whilst the IDF soldiers and Hamas terrorists fought it out. Its sad they aren't given sanctuary.

Literally not my point.

My point is; Egypt should be opening their border, and it is indeed their responsibility

We don't live in a vacuum.

Last I checked no,

And when the fighting was over would you allow them to return to an independent Palestine.

You ask some very strange questions of different posters. Who the heck.is 'happy' when children die. I don't see or hear any happy to see children die on here.

What is 'blanket bombing' sounds a made up term. There is a term 'carpet bombing' a military tactic that involves dropping large quantities of unguided bombs over a broad area. The bombs are unguided though.

I would yes.

The cognitive dissonance when it comes to defending Israel is just astronomical.

Let’s blame Hamas, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon. Blame anyone but the murderous government and the maniacs running it.

👏🏼 I wish people would listen to you.