Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

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Good news. Political pressure, protests and letters beginning to work

www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/01/israel-to-market-war-bonds-through-luxembourg-as-irish-authority-expires/

That's you told @Twiglets1!

yes that's me told 😂

You are trying to say that anti semitism is the reason our government has been critising Israel.

Could you listen to Irish people when they tell you that it is not.

What does the history of Irish colonialism “count” towards do you think? I don’t understand what you mean by that. It happened. These incidents of anti semitism happened too. But those historical incidents are not what’s behind government policy today. We didn’t even have our own country 100 year ago.

I’m not dismissing the flag at all. I don’t agree with supporting terrorist groups. But I also don’t think that the existence of the flag indicates what’s at the root of our government policy on this matter.

FFS I have never said 'that anti semitism is the reason our government has been critising Israel'. I have said some criticism in Ireland is shaped by antisemitism.

Could you listen to Irish people when they tell you that it is not.
That is NOT how it works. You listen to the victims of racism, not the people perpetrating the racism. Have you ever heard of a person saying to a black person, shush now, white people say they are not racist, lets put it all behind us, shall we?

I have to say, even I have been shocked by this thread. Absolutely no self-reflection whatsoever.

I didnt say historical incidents are 'behind government policy today' but do you have no idea how racism, cultutlral memory, prejudice actually work? Have you given it no thought at all?

You are dismissing the flag. You said it was a just a piece of cloth and said 'give me strength'. Would you say to a black person in america dont let the confederate flag bother you, its just a bit of cloth? Or perhaps a burning cross, just a bit of wood?

The PFLP is viscious extreme antisemitic organisation, responsible for numerous murders and particularly noted for its plane hijackings. It does not recognise Israel. It is proscribed by the EU and the US. Supporti g it is illegal but more important its obviously designed to intimidate Jews and cannot be anything other than antisemitic.

Im done here now.

Still found no evidence of current antisemitism so ? Bye

(In our government and it’s policies )

anti Irish sentiment is a form of bigotry. And Israeli supporters have been raising lots of recycling old anti Irish tropes on line. Look at the US asking if we have fallen into a vat of Guinness.

I didn’t dismiss the flag. It wasn’t me that said it was a piece of cloth actually. I said that it was anti semitism. And none of said that there is no anti semitism in Ireland that would be ridiculous. It’s just not at the root of our government’s words on this.

The idea that “destroying Hamas” requires flattening an entire city is false. Levelling Gaza City is not proportional or lawful under international humanitarian law- it is collective punishment.

The fact that thousands of Hamas fighters are “hiding” does not give Israel the right to kill tens of thousands of civilians or starve civilians.

International law is explicit: civilians must be protected, and any military action must be proportionate and discriminate. Indiscriminate bombing and blockades that cause mass civilian deaths are war crimes, regardless of whether Hamas exists.

No military objective makes 20,000+ child deaths acceptable.

They aren't just 'getting to carry on' though. The IDF have said themselves that Hamas are largely defeated. Genocide is not going to get the hostages back. 2 years of flattening Gaza hasn't got the hostage back, more flattening isn't going work. Starving men women and children isn't going to get the hostages back. All of that is about the genocidal intentions of the Israeli government as found by the UN and every major NGO. That is what is causing the most damage to the most amount of people. Israels genocidal rampage, i cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would think the focus shouldn't be on those causing the maximum amount of harm to the most people and that clearly is Israel, the genociders.

Israel are entering a new phase of their genocide, the attack on Gaza City, the mass displacent of 1million people, the trapping of all of these people in concentrated areas of Gaza without proper space, food, water, medicine, shelter etc. Why should we focus on a terrorist group that is largely defeated over a genocidal state actively engaged in mass killings?

What would your military strategy be to get rid of Hamas? Or maybe you prefer to let them stay in Gaza and if they execute another 7/10 in future that’s just too bad.

There are still 2-3,000 Hamas militants remaining in Gaza city according to the IDF.

Civilians were warned in advance to leave the area and despite Hamas telling them to stay, are now leaving in such huge numbers that another route out of Gaza city has had to be opened up to cope with all the traffic.

How safe will Hamas feel without all their human shields to protect them? Even their underground tunnels will not be a safe place anymore for them to hide.

Surely the underground tunnels go somewhere though. I’m not very convinced that civilians will leave and Hamas will stay to be killed. Why would they do that? The international community is against this plan because it doesn’t sound like it has to do with eliminating Hamas.

I think they just want Gaza city gone, like so much of Gaza and they want the Palestinians curtailed into a small area which will become a camp. Didn’t they say this was a plan?

Israel literally said months ago that as part of their genocidal plan they will 'concentrate' the population of Gaza in camps in the south of Gaza and not allow them to leave. Now they are doing that. The UN and all major NGOs have confirmed that Israels leaders are genocidal yet people are still spreading their propaganda to defend this plan?

Millions of people trapped, overcrowded in a tiny area without adequate food, water, shelter or medical care by genocidal men. What could possibly go wrong.

What do people think is going to happen in these camps? Palestinians are going to thank their genocidal overlords for destroying everything they have in the world including their embryos and then everyone will hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

@PaxAeterna You’re questioning why would they do that? Do you seriously think any of us can really understand anything Hamas does? They don’t have mindsets we can understand unless we share their death cult thinking.

From what I can gather it would be shameful for Hamas fighters to run away rather than fight the IDF (though fine to hide in tunnels while civilians get killed apparently). If they die fighting them they will be martyred and rewarded handsomely after death.

Even if some Hamas fighters do choose to escape hidden among civilians, they will still be losing their power as the tunnels will all be destroyed and their stockpiles of weapons confiscated. Without their underground infrastructure they will not be much of a threat to Israel, which is why Hamas diverted so many millions ( or billions?) of aid money into building them in the first place.

How is it spreading Israel propaganda to ask Boris what would your military strategy be to get rid of Hamas?

I notice you don't attempt to answer that question either, despite quoting the post I asked it on but instead go off on a different tangent.

Sorry I quoted the wrong post.There are still 2-3,000 Hamas militants remaining in Gaza city according to the IDF. This is propaganda from a genocidal country. Do you honestly believe it is ethical to force 1 million people to camps not fit for dogs and not let them leave these camps because there may be 2-3000 Hamas militants in the area? You honestly believe that penning 2 million Palestinian men women and children in camps is fair so that Israelis can feel safe?

I say may be 2-3000 because the IDF are carrying out genocide, their intent is destroy Palestinians so they will obviously do or say anything that will allow them to reach that aim. That is what genocidal maniacs do.

@Twiglets1
a large Israeli wedding is being held in a hotel, 860 guests in total, extended families, kids, aunts, uncles, old people, they have even laid on a babysitting service. Huge party

there are 140 terrorists are located in the basement kitchen of the hotel

Am I entitled to drop a massive bomb on the hotel, and incinerate all the innocent Israeli guests, women, children, grannies and all ?

Don't be ridiculous. The IDF would rescue the Israelis and take them to safety as 140 terrorists in the basement would be a threat.

Why would you say that? Why do you keep saying that? Why would I think Palestinians dont matter?

Hi all,
Just a reminder that we expect our guidelines to be adhered to on these threads, and that we take a dim view of publicly goading fellow MNers. Broadly speaking, we expect Mumsnetters to communicate with each other as they would face to face, particularly on an issue such as the conflict in the middle east, which quite reasonably provokes such deep feeling.

86% of those killed in Gaza are civilians =860
the Palestinians are the wedding guests,