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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

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Twiglets1 · 24/08/2025 07:09

Hamas’s embrace of “death culture” is beyond comprehension for much of the world, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the eldest son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the founder of the terrorist group, told JNS on Tuesday.

“It is not just the West, it’s also the East. It is beyond understanding that some people are willing to sacrifice human life for political gains, or worse for financial gains. I am a living example of this. My father had to choose between his eldest son and the cause and he chose the cause,” said Yousef.

“There is no parent in the world that would go into a fight that would put their own children in harm’s way. Hamas did the opposite. They went and dragged Israel in the most brutal fight of our time, knowing children would pay the price. This shows you their hypocrisy,” he continued.

“It’s the same game with pro-Palestinians worldwide. Everybody cries for the children on one hand, and on the other they are pushing Palestinian indoctrination which leads to the death of children. And then when children die, they blame Israel,” he added.

www.jns.org/hamas-death-culture-beyond-comprehension-says-founders-son/

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PinkBobby · 01/09/2025 09:07

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 08:55

You could be right, I know.

But there's just so many real, logical problems with it.
Where will Gazans go? The world won't abide images of thousands squished into camps. I know you'll say the world abides it now, but for now its under plausible deniabilty of war.
What would happen in the WB? The violence would surely escalate? More war? Then more displacement of those Palestinians too? Where will they go? Would Egypt / Jordan / Syria accept them? Would they with financial incentives from the profit makers of Gaza Rivera?
Who would even want any part of this tech hub anyway? Under constant threat of violence? Profiting those holding rightful owners of the land? Theres plenty more attractive waterfront elsewhere surely?
And what happens when Democrats / moderate Israeli parties get into power? Will they allow this to continue? Who wpuld invest in such a plan?

Anyway, this amounts to verbal diarrhea... this much to say I can't see it happening. But I know I could be wrong.

These are all perfectly reasonable questions: you should send them to Trump’s team as I’m not sure they’ve thought about any of them.

Ultimately, we’ll have to wait and see but I have an awful feeling that what’s planned will lead to more violence, that violence will lead to another war (maybe in the WB), war and collective trauma will keep BN or similar in power and this whole situation will rumble on until the right wing have what they want. I’m not sure how this snowball is stopped at this point because Gaza is so flattened it needs to be rebuilt and I don’t believe America in its current guise is going to ‘give it’ to other Arab nations to rebuild or help rebuild it for the Palestinian people. But I am the resident pessimist!

PaxAeterna · 01/09/2025 10:13

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 08:07

All of what you say, Hamas knew, and they still started this war. So yes, I do believe its by their design.

Where BN's desire to defend and protect Israel / himself begins and ends - a huge problem. Neither him nor Hamas give one shit for Palestinian life.

Surely it would be better for a 2ss if Hamas surrendered, taking away BN main reason for war, and hopefully allowing for more moderate parties to come to power? With both gone, theres a chance, no? Thats what we have to hope for?

The situation requires much more action than one party stepping down. It requires more than Israel even stopping the war. It’s very simplistic to say if Hamas stepped down that everything would end. Gaza is destroyed, the population traumatised. It’s unrealistic to wait for a group of radical fundamentalists to tell their militants to give themselves up. But Even if Hamas disarmed and Israel stepped back, thousands of civilians would still die in the conditions that have been created and there are other armed groups waiting to step into power.

It requires an co-ordinated approach by the Arab League, Israel and Israel’s allies. Something that looks like the New York declaration where there is a proper peaceful path laid out for a Palestinian state.

Unfortunately the US and Israel have absolutely no interest in co-ordinating on this. The plan is ethnic cleansing and that’s it and there looks to be no way back from that now.

Even if this US plan doesn’t come to fruition. I don’t see a positive way forward. The main players aren’t interested- and that’s Qatar, Israel, the US and Hamas.

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 10:20

PaxAeterna · 01/09/2025 10:13

The situation requires much more action than one party stepping down. It requires more than Israel even stopping the war. It’s very simplistic to say if Hamas stepped down that everything would end. Gaza is destroyed, the population traumatised. It’s unrealistic to wait for a group of radical fundamentalists to tell their militants to give themselves up. But Even if Hamas disarmed and Israel stepped back, thousands of civilians would still die in the conditions that have been created and there are other armed groups waiting to step into power.

It requires an co-ordinated approach by the Arab League, Israel and Israel’s allies. Something that looks like the New York declaration where there is a proper peaceful path laid out for a Palestinian state.

Unfortunately the US and Israel have absolutely no interest in co-ordinating on this. The plan is ethnic cleansing and that’s it and there looks to be no way back from that now.

Even if this US plan doesn’t come to fruition. I don’t see a positive way forward. The main players aren’t interested- and that’s Qatar, Israel, the US and Hamas.

I agree as long as BN and his nutjobs are in power. Both him ( mainly cos of his nutjobs ) and Hamas need to go for a way forward.

Israel has the structure to get rid of BN if thats what the people desire. I see the situation Israel is in as similar to Hungary, the US, India etc. Right wing government. Israel not unique in this way.

I dont agree theres no way back from it now. It hasnt happened yet. There is a positive way forward. Stranger things have happened.

SharonEllis · 01/09/2025 10:25

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 10:20

I agree as long as BN and his nutjobs are in power. Both him ( mainly cos of his nutjobs ) and Hamas need to go for a way forward.

Israel has the structure to get rid of BN if thats what the people desire. I see the situation Israel is in as similar to Hungary, the US, India etc. Right wing government. Israel not unique in this way.

I dont agree theres no way back from it now. It hasnt happened yet. There is a positive way forward. Stranger things have happened.

Completely agree. There's never (or rarely) no way forward. Humans are resilient. We always focus on the mistakes we make, but rarely the capacity to survive.

Twiglets1 · 01/09/2025 10:48

dairydebris · 01/09/2025 10:20

I agree as long as BN and his nutjobs are in power. Both him ( mainly cos of his nutjobs ) and Hamas need to go for a way forward.

Israel has the structure to get rid of BN if thats what the people desire. I see the situation Israel is in as similar to Hungary, the US, India etc. Right wing government. Israel not unique in this way.

I dont agree theres no way back from it now. It hasnt happened yet. There is a positive way forward. Stranger things have happened.

Agreed.

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PaxAeterna · 01/09/2025 11:03

Well the very first thing that needs to happen is that there needs to be an unfettered flow of aid into Gaza. It will come too late for some, but it is obviously the first, very critical step to avert catastrophic starvation and deaths from illness.

CaramelPecan · 01/09/2025 13:00

PaxAeterna · 01/09/2025 11:03

Well the very first thing that needs to happen is that there needs to be an unfettered flow of aid into Gaza. It will come too late for some, but it is obviously the first, very critical step to avert catastrophic starvation and deaths from illness.

How though, when 90% of aid is being ‘diverted’ and the UN is unable to distribute the thousands of tonnes of aid sitting in Gaza now, and for months?

How can this unfettered flow of aid be facilitated?

Do you think the UN should ask for assistance from GHF (who are successfully delivering 1.5 million meals a day) and the IDF?

PaxAeterna · 01/09/2025 13:29

CaramelPecan · 01/09/2025 13:00

How though, when 90% of aid is being ‘diverted’ and the UN is unable to distribute the thousands of tonnes of aid sitting in Gaza now, and for months?

How can this unfettered flow of aid be facilitated?

Do you think the UN should ask for assistance from GHF (who are successfully delivering 1.5 million meals a day) and the IDF?

The solution to looting is to flood the place with aid. There is always looting during famine situations or even food scarcity situations.

The rest of your post is based on lies and misinformation. Although surely even you realise that not even a whole meal a day for a population is going to fend off famine. It is possible for the IDF to facilitate the delivery of this aid. Do you really think that the UK, the EU among others are so stupid that they are asking for something that is impossible.

Do you honestly believe that aid delivery cannot be facilitated? Or do you just not care whether people starve? Perhaps you think it is ok because they are Palestinians and you can’t separate civilians and militants in your mind?

I find it completely baffling that anyone would defend the aid restrictions. I really do. I wouldn’t be able to justify anyone starving to death but It is just so shockingly cold hearted to shrug your shoulders while small babies die for want of milk and pregnant and breastfeeding mothers deal with these disastrous situations.

LoremIpsumCici · 04/09/2025 19:54

CaramelPecan · 01/09/2025 13:00

How though, when 90% of aid is being ‘diverted’ and the UN is unable to distribute the thousands of tonnes of aid sitting in Gaza now, and for months?

How can this unfettered flow of aid be facilitated?

Do you think the UN should ask for assistance from GHF (who are successfully delivering 1.5 million meals a day) and the IDF?

You are a bit misinformed.

GHF delivered 1.5m meals on one day, they are not delivering 1.5m meals per day, every day. They deliver on average 2.5m meals per week, or 1 meal per person per week.

In addition, less than 3% of the aid was being diverted/looted when UNWRA was in charge. Some of that 3% would have been looted by the gangs that Israel hired to loot the aid. Which explains why eyewitnesses had been saying they had seen aid looted while IDF was sitting nearby, watching and doing nothing.

The 87% of aid being diverted/looted figure that you have round up to 90% is only since May 2025- which is when GHF took over from the UN.

This is why you suggesting the UN should “ask GHF and IDF for help” is nonsense.

The UN are the only people who were doing and can do the aid correctly. All Israel needs to do is let the UN do their job and also not pay criminal gangs to loot a small fraction of it.

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 22:07

LoremIpsumCici · 04/09/2025 19:54

You are a bit misinformed.

GHF delivered 1.5m meals on one day, they are not delivering 1.5m meals per day, every day. They deliver on average 2.5m meals per week, or 1 meal per person per week.

In addition, less than 3% of the aid was being diverted/looted when UNWRA was in charge. Some of that 3% would have been looted by the gangs that Israel hired to loot the aid. Which explains why eyewitnesses had been saying they had seen aid looted while IDF was sitting nearby, watching and doing nothing.

The 87% of aid being diverted/looted figure that you have round up to 90% is only since May 2025- which is when GHF took over from the UN.

This is why you suggesting the UN should “ask GHF and IDF for help” is nonsense.

The UN are the only people who were doing and can do the aid correctly. All Israel needs to do is let the UN do their job and also not pay criminal gangs to loot a small fraction of it.

Maybe you’re misinformed.

If you bother to go on the GHF X feed, you will see they are delivering over a million meals everyday (I only went back to 15th August), and over 1.5 million meals everyday for the last week so 10.5 million meals in a week.

Where did you get that they have replaced or ‘taken over’ from the UN? Did they ever say that? The idea was that they would collaborate.

Gee, I wonder why more aid is being looted now UNWRA is not in charge?

Can you think of reason for that?

The 90% is ‘only’ since May? I think it was 93% in July that’s why I rounded it up, Do you not think 90% of aid being ‘diverted’ for THREE MONTHS may be contributing to the current ‘famine’ in Gaza?

PinkBobby · 04/09/2025 22:36

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 22:07

Maybe you’re misinformed.

If you bother to go on the GHF X feed, you will see they are delivering over a million meals everyday (I only went back to 15th August), and over 1.5 million meals everyday for the last week so 10.5 million meals in a week.

Where did you get that they have replaced or ‘taken over’ from the UN? Did they ever say that? The idea was that they would collaborate.

Gee, I wonder why more aid is being looted now UNWRA is not in charge?

Can you think of reason for that?

The 90% is ‘only’ since May? I think it was 93% in July that’s why I rounded it up, Do you not think 90% of aid being ‘diverted’ for THREE MONTHS may be contributing to the current ‘famine’ in Gaza?

Edited

So across 3 hubs (I believe they recently closed one so this may be the figures for 4 hubs), they’re handing out 1.5 million meals a day? So 375,000 meals a day from each hub. Now I’m struggling to find much data but I can see that the hubs are open from maybe 10mins to 40mins each day (June/July data). So, in that time they’re handing out 375,000 meals? Even if they’re open for the longer time that’s nearly 9,500 meals a minute. Maybe my brain is just really tired but I’m not sure how that’s possible? Please correct my maths if I’ve missed something.

I’d also like to add that I don’t think a company responsible for aid should be praised for feeding less than the whole population just one meal a day.

The UN refusing to work with them is totally appropriate. Adding armed humanitarian workers to conflict zones is incredibly dangerous for the workers and it increases the risk of civilians being injured (as we’ve seen). It sets a terrible president for future conflict zones.

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 23:02

PinkBobby · 04/09/2025 22:36

So across 3 hubs (I believe they recently closed one so this may be the figures for 4 hubs), they’re handing out 1.5 million meals a day? So 375,000 meals a day from each hub. Now I’m struggling to find much data but I can see that the hubs are open from maybe 10mins to 40mins each day (June/July data). So, in that time they’re handing out 375,000 meals? Even if they’re open for the longer time that’s nearly 9,500 meals a minute. Maybe my brain is just really tired but I’m not sure how that’s possible? Please correct my maths if I’ve missed something.

I’d also like to add that I don’t think a company responsible for aid should be praised for feeding less than the whole population just one meal a day.

The UN refusing to work with them is totally appropriate. Adding armed humanitarian workers to conflict zones is incredibly dangerous for the workers and it increases the risk of civilians being injured (as we’ve seen). It sets a terrible president for future conflict zones.

Who said they should be praised? Again, they never stated they could feed the whole population.

They are an addition to the UN. How many people are they feeding a day?

I think the work they are doing is pretty fucking amazing though. With their staff risking their lives, their homes being attacked and their Palestinian workers being murdered and wounded and left for dead by international medical organisations.

In addition to finding a child put at massive risk by one of their former workers trying to smear them with an outrageous lie.

God forbid though, they must be lying with their figures. They just pick them out of thin air, no one checks them I’m sure. The international government donors funding them surely don’t care. They probably spend some time deciding every day by how many hundreds of thousands of meals they’re going to inflate their figures.

Must be taking tips from Hamas.

I don’t think there’s ever been a conflict zone like this. Can you think of one?

I think you mean precedent btw, although no doubt there are terrible Presidents in conflict zones.

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 07:57

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 23:02

Who said they should be praised? Again, they never stated they could feed the whole population.

They are an addition to the UN. How many people are they feeding a day?

I think the work they are doing is pretty fucking amazing though. With their staff risking their lives, their homes being attacked and their Palestinian workers being murdered and wounded and left for dead by international medical organisations.

In addition to finding a child put at massive risk by one of their former workers trying to smear them with an outrageous lie.

God forbid though, they must be lying with their figures. They just pick them out of thin air, no one checks them I’m sure. The international government donors funding them surely don’t care. They probably spend some time deciding every day by how many hundreds of thousands of meals they’re going to inflate their figures.

Must be taking tips from Hamas.

I don’t think there’s ever been a conflict zone like this. Can you think of one?

I think you mean precedent btw, although no doubt there are terrible Presidents in conflict zones.

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I’m just asking how that maths adds up - have you actually paused to think about it?

PaxAeterna · 05/09/2025 10:26

Who are these international government donors funding the GHF?

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:07

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 07:57

I’m just asking how that maths adds up - have you actually paused to think about it?

I don’t know the inner workings of how they operate so efficiently at only 4 sites no. I have no experience in aid distribution myself.

Maybe you could contact them and ask them?

Maybe the UN should too.

The Executive Director of GHF has over 20 years experience in international humanitarian operations though and many of their staff are also experienced humanitarians as well.

Sadly their details can’t be published due to death threats and I think there have been attacks on their homes.

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 12:09

PaxAeterna · 05/09/2025 10:26

Who are these international government donors funding the GHF?

Again GHF has said they don’t want to be identified probably because there will be mass outrage from pro-Palestinians that Palestinians are getting free aid as they should have been all through this war and before!

Crazy, don’t you think?

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 12:12

No - just do some maths and tell me how it’s physically possible to hand out that much food in that amount of time. Think about what info you’re being given.

The UN had, it turns out, over 400 hubs with longer opening hours. Maths adds up for them.

Are we talking about Trump Advisor Johnnie Moore?

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 16:27

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 12:12

No - just do some maths and tell me how it’s physically possible to hand out that much food in that amount of time. Think about what info you’re being given.

The UN had, it turns out, over 400 hubs with longer opening hours. Maths adds up for them.

Are we talking about Trump Advisor Johnnie Moore?

You seem to be badgering me to know about something I have already said I know nothing about and am not qualified to answer.

I see no logical reason for the GHF to lie about something they can easily get caught out on. The mainstream view of them is very negative because they are undermining the Hamas aid gravy train so anything to further discredit them would have been used by now.

I’m sure that Tony Aguilar ‘whistleblower’ liar liar pants on fire would have said something if he had anything.

Why not think about why you disbelieve them?

Have you bothered to look at their X feed to see how they have been received by Gazans?

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1962177056806146535

Do you believe Hamas maths btw? If so, ask yourself why.

If the UN has 400 aid hubs why the actual fuck is thousands of tonnes of aid not being distributed instead of rotting in depots inside Gaza? Ask yourself that.

John Acree is who I was referring to.

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1957826051393925467

He’s had death threats painted on the driveway of his home.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864063

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1962177056806146535

PinkBobby · 05/09/2025 17:46

CaramelPecan · 05/09/2025 16:27

You seem to be badgering me to know about something I have already said I know nothing about and am not qualified to answer.

I see no logical reason for the GHF to lie about something they can easily get caught out on. The mainstream view of them is very negative because they are undermining the Hamas aid gravy train so anything to further discredit them would have been used by now.

I’m sure that Tony Aguilar ‘whistleblower’ liar liar pants on fire would have said something if he had anything.

Why not think about why you disbelieve them?

Have you bothered to look at their X feed to see how they have been received by Gazans?

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1962177056806146535

Do you believe Hamas maths btw? If so, ask yourself why.

If the UN has 400 aid hubs why the actual fuck is thousands of tonnes of aid not being distributed instead of rotting in depots inside Gaza? Ask yourself that.

John Acree is who I was referring to.

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1957826051393925467

He’s had death threats painted on the driveway of his home.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864063

I’m asking you to just think logically about the numbers they are giving us and how that’s possible with the data they are providing. I’m not asking for any expertise or experience. Just questioning the info you’re being given by a potentially bias source. I don’t need to look at their X PR - their set up is totally inadequate.

And no, I don’t believe Hamas maths. With the amount of propaganda in this conflict, both Hamas and Israel info has to be questioned. So why not work out how many meals they need to hand out a minute to get to 1.5m a week when they’re open for 11mins (June) or maybe 40mins (July/aug) across 4 hubs.

The main stream negative view of them is not because they disrupted systemic looting by Hamas (that has zero evidence). People are against them for valid reasons:

  • militarising aid, putting civilians and workers at risk and setting a terrible precedent for future conflicts
  • deciding to work in Gaza even when the UN refused to work with them. Any decent org would put the needs of the people over their start up.
  • replacing 400+ hubs with 4
  • opening for an average of 11mins a day in July
  • opening for an average of just 40 mins in aug
  • providing less than one meal a day for less than the whole population when there is starvation
  • having zero experience in humanitarian aid (until, as you note JA appeared but not until July. They were given the job with no experience when people needed pros)
  • having a chair whose expertise are in PR not aid and backs Trump’s awful Rivera plan
  • they replaced an imperfect but fairly good system that actually fed people despite no one finding evidence of systemic looting of aid
  • their maths doesn’t add up - providing hundreds of thousands of meals in tiny windows of time.
  • making aid dangerous to access/not ensuring aid is easy and safe to access by placing hubs in evacuation zones

I’m sure there are more reasons others may flag but I do not understand why people don’t have an issue with GHF - they aren’t doing a good enough job and people are dying. I’m not condoning violence or aggression towards any member of the org but I will happily criticise them because they are failing and Palestinians deserve better (a comment I’m sure, based on your other posts, you’ll disagree with but some of us don’t think children at the very least should be starved for any potential crimes adults are committing).

PaxAeterna · 05/09/2025 22:11

Had to meet your challenge there on the maths. They are basically saying that they hand out 125 boxes a minute. According to Wikipedia they have 300 staff. It’s not completely impossible but it would be utter chaos and there wouldn’t be time to verify identity ect…..

Where I think the lie is, is with the GHF claim that there are 60 meals in a box. Now I really don’t believe that there are 60 proper meals in each box and I suspect they are estimating a meal in some kind of non standard way where they say a small scoop of rice is a meal.

Twiglets1 · 06/09/2025 04:40

PaxAeterna · 05/09/2025 22:11

Had to meet your challenge there on the maths. They are basically saying that they hand out 125 boxes a minute. According to Wikipedia they have 300 staff. It’s not completely impossible but it would be utter chaos and there wouldn’t be time to verify identity ect…..

Where I think the lie is, is with the GHF claim that there are 60 meals in a box. Now I really don’t believe that there are 60 proper meals in each box and I suspect they are estimating a meal in some kind of non standard way where they say a small scoop of rice is a meal.

They have admitted they haven’t been verifying identities because it’s all too chaotic.

It’s not working as was planned and should be working. Partly because there aren’t enough centres so people are desperate & largely just swarming sites when open and grabbing boxes.

I don’t believe there are 60 meals in a box either. Though I do think the UN should be working alongside the GHF to support them in food distribution. I know the UN are still working in some parts of Gaza but think they should be more proactive since the aid corridors and pauses in fighting started.

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PinkBobby · 06/09/2025 08:09

PaxAeterna · 05/09/2025 22:11

Had to meet your challenge there on the maths. They are basically saying that they hand out 125 boxes a minute. According to Wikipedia they have 300 staff. It’s not completely impossible but it would be utter chaos and there wouldn’t be time to verify identity ect…..

Where I think the lie is, is with the GHF claim that there are 60 meals in a box. Now I really don’t believe that there are 60 proper meals in each box and I suspect they are estimating a meal in some kind of non standard way where they say a small scoop of rice is a meal.

Thanks! I knew someone beside me would be up for it.

So with three hundred staff across 3/4 hubs, they can hand out that much aid? I assume at least some of those staff are security rather than handing out aid. As you say, maybe it’s possible but especially when the hubs were open to closer to 11mins and not every day, it all sounds either inflated or like they have zero control and anyone (Hamas or people who will sell it) can get aid (hence the shooting/injury/death situation around the aid hubs). Either option reflects badly on GHF and highlights their total lack of expertise in this area.

To be clear, I have no problem with people starting out in the aid industry but ideally they wouldn’t try it out in one of the most complex situations when starvation was already an issue. The numbers plus all the other factors I’ve listed above anger me because the UN agencies should be allowed to do their job. I also agree that the contents of the boxes is questionable in terms of how long it can lasts/number of meals.

PaxAeterna · 06/09/2025 10:29

the 300 number is from Wikipedia (so not sure if accurate) but it’s not broken down by logistical staff, drivers ect… They would surely need H.R., policy people ect….

But from the sounds of it , they open the gates and people rush in and take the boxes. So I think it could be possible but not standard or run in any way that is good practice. They don’t share their beneficiaries numbers (more poor practice) The reports say they are announcing their opening times just right before they open and sometimes they open in the middle of the night. They are in areas that have been evacuated and have a very specific route and so many roads themselves have been destroyed that the routes are unrecognisable.

So it seems that it is not just that they are new or inexperienced. They have been designed to at best make it difficult to get aid and at worst to lure people into an active combat zone.

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 07:52

Going back to the thread title, interesting interview with* Mosab Hassan Yousef reported in The Telegraph today:*

Palestine state will never exist, says son of Hamas founder

Mosab Hassan Yousef is an unlikely Israeli hero. As the oldest son of Hassan Yousef, a co-founder of Hamas and its spiritual leader in the West Bank, Mr Yousef rose through the ranks of the terror group as a child and saw the militants’ atrocities first-hand.

But after a stint in Israeli jails as a teenager for smuggling arms, he changed sides, secretly emerging as a Shin Bet spy embedded in the terrorist organisation his father helped run – a position he held for almost 10 years.

Known as the Green Prince, Mr Yousef became Israel’s most valuable asset, sharing vital intelligence on suicide bombings, shootings and stabbings during one of the bloodiest periods in the 70-year conflict.

He is now one of the most vociferous critics of the Palestine resistance movement – what he calls “Palestinianism” – and his invectives are not reserved only for Hamas but for nearly all civilians in the occupied territories.

Just as the UK, France, Canada, Portugal and other Western democracies stand poised to formally recognise Palestine as a state at the UN in New York on Monday, Mr Yousef says no such country exists.

The case Mr Yousef wants to make is not a palatable one to many. He believes that Palestine is an “artificial construct”, that Palestinians should drop their identity if they are ever to thrive, and that “Palestinianism” is a cultish curse that threatens not just Israel, but the wider world, especially the West.

“Palestinianism is a political, violent movement, and self-proclaimed Palestinians are those who are profiting out of the Palestinian cause. They are the perpetrators… nowadays I make no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians,” he says.

The identity he grew up with, he now rejects in its entirety. The Oct 7 massacre and Gaza’s obliteration in its wake, he sees the inevitable consequence of an identity forged in “violence and victimhood”.

“Most of the rapes, atrocities, beheadings, burning people, burning corpses; most of the atrocities that happened were committed by Gaza civilians, not the Hamas Nukhba [military wing]. The truth is, Hamas couldn’t control it.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/21/palestine-state-will-never-exist-says-son-of-hamas-founder/

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Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 07:57

From the same article:

In the West Bank, Mr Yousef witnessed Yasser Arafat, the Egyptian-born founder of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) encourage his father to do “whatever it takes” to fuel the second intifada, the 2000-2005 uprising in which more than 4,000 people (1,010 Israelis and 3,179 Palestinians) were killed.

And in prison, where he spent more than 25 months across various stints (several in the Hamas security wing among would-be suicide bombers he thwarted), he would handle classified documents handed down by Yahya Sinwar, the brutal Hamas enforcer who would later become the mastermind of the Oct 7 massacre.

Mr Yousef’s work for the Shin Bet is well documented. He is credited with helping stop dozens of suicide attacks and assassinations, saving many lives on both sides of the conflict.

But less well known are his motivations and thinking. He sees, for example, the Oct 7 attack – and in particular the pogrom that followed it – not as an act of resistance but the inevitable consequence of a political cult long since infected with violence.

The rot, he says, starts with firebrands like his father, a “man with good in him” but who “always wanted to please others” and is as much a part of the herd as a leader within it.

Once such men accept the principle of violence, it accelerates, first with army targets, then civilians, then stabbings, then suicide bombings, says Mr Yousef. His father was seen celebrating Oct 7, an image which friends say has deeply affected Mr Yousef.

“They agreed [to violence] only because they thought it would be treason to say: ‘No.’ Not: ‘We morally oppose that. It’s not good. It’s not good for our cause.’ We did not have that. Nobody talks about it.

“Show me one article of a prominent Palestinian leader who said, ‘F--- this! This is not us!’. You know, even today on social media, you don’t find people who speak out. They can’t even make a fake account to talk about it. No one. It seems like everybody’s complicit.”

Mr Yousef does not doubt the “brutal suffering” of the two million people in Gaza, or even that “war crimes” are being committed. But Oct 7, he says, is “what happens after 36 years of indoctrination, glorifying suicide bombings, glorifying martyrdom, a culture of murder [and] the indiscriminate targeting of civilians as resistance”.

“What do you think? Do you think all this collective consciousness pushing violence in is going into the void? Of course not. It’s going to lead to the destruction of something. And it did not start with the Oct 7 attack. It’s an evolution since Hamas came to power and before that, with Palestinianism and the victim narrative.

“There was the first intifada, then the second, but still it was not enough. How about now we self-inflict a total destruction over our people, where we sacrifice and weaponise as many civilians as we can. If this is what it is to promote our cause, then so be it. Let’s burn it all down to ashes. This is Sinwar’s strategy. And what we are witnessing is the outcome of his work”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/21/palestine-state-will-never-exist-says-son-of-hamas-founder/

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