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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

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Twiglets1 · 24/08/2025 07:09

Hamas’s embrace of “death culture” is beyond comprehension for much of the world, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the eldest son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the founder of the terrorist group, told JNS on Tuesday.

“It is not just the West, it’s also the East. It is beyond understanding that some people are willing to sacrifice human life for political gains, or worse for financial gains. I am a living example of this. My father had to choose between his eldest son and the cause and he chose the cause,” said Yousef.

“There is no parent in the world that would go into a fight that would put their own children in harm’s way. Hamas did the opposite. They went and dragged Israel in the most brutal fight of our time, knowing children would pay the price. This shows you their hypocrisy,” he continued.

“It’s the same game with pro-Palestinians worldwide. Everybody cries for the children on one hand, and on the other they are pushing Palestinian indoctrination which leads to the death of children. And then when children die, they blame Israel,” he added.

www.jns.org/hamas-death-culture-beyond-comprehension-says-founders-son/

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dairydebris · 21/09/2025 08:27

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 07:57

From the same article:

In the West Bank, Mr Yousef witnessed Yasser Arafat, the Egyptian-born founder of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) encourage his father to do “whatever it takes” to fuel the second intifada, the 2000-2005 uprising in which more than 4,000 people (1,010 Israelis and 3,179 Palestinians) were killed.

And in prison, where he spent more than 25 months across various stints (several in the Hamas security wing among would-be suicide bombers he thwarted), he would handle classified documents handed down by Yahya Sinwar, the brutal Hamas enforcer who would later become the mastermind of the Oct 7 massacre.

Mr Yousef’s work for the Shin Bet is well documented. He is credited with helping stop dozens of suicide attacks and assassinations, saving many lives on both sides of the conflict.

But less well known are his motivations and thinking. He sees, for example, the Oct 7 attack – and in particular the pogrom that followed it – not as an act of resistance but the inevitable consequence of a political cult long since infected with violence.

The rot, he says, starts with firebrands like his father, a “man with good in him” but who “always wanted to please others” and is as much a part of the herd as a leader within it.

Once such men accept the principle of violence, it accelerates, first with army targets, then civilians, then stabbings, then suicide bombings, says Mr Yousef. His father was seen celebrating Oct 7, an image which friends say has deeply affected Mr Yousef.

“They agreed [to violence] only because they thought it would be treason to say: ‘No.’ Not: ‘We morally oppose that. It’s not good. It’s not good for our cause.’ We did not have that. Nobody talks about it.

“Show me one article of a prominent Palestinian leader who said, ‘F--- this! This is not us!’. You know, even today on social media, you don’t find people who speak out. They can’t even make a fake account to talk about it. No one. It seems like everybody’s complicit.”

Mr Yousef does not doubt the “brutal suffering” of the two million people in Gaza, or even that “war crimes” are being committed. But Oct 7, he says, is “what happens after 36 years of indoctrination, glorifying suicide bombings, glorifying martyrdom, a culture of murder [and] the indiscriminate targeting of civilians as resistance”.

“What do you think? Do you think all this collective consciousness pushing violence in is going into the void? Of course not. It’s going to lead to the destruction of something. And it did not start with the Oct 7 attack. It’s an evolution since Hamas came to power and before that, with Palestinianism and the victim narrative.

“There was the first intifada, then the second, but still it was not enough. How about now we self-inflict a total destruction over our people, where we sacrifice and weaponise as many civilians as we can. If this is what it is to promote our cause, then so be it. Let’s burn it all down to ashes. This is Sinwar’s strategy. And what we are witnessing is the outcome of his work”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/21/palestine-state-will-never-exist-says-son-of-hamas-founder/

"There was the first intifada, then the second, but still it was not enough. How about now we self-inflict a total destruction over our people, where we sacrifice and weaponise as many civilians as we can. If this is what it is to promote our cause, then so be it. Let’s burn it all down to ashes. This is Sinwar’s strategy. And what we are witnessing is the outcome of his work”.

Powerful.

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 09:12

Hamas has done some terrible things. Muslims and others in Gaza who have no power but happen to live in a country run by Hamas, are being deliberately exterminated by the Israelis. Including babies. There is no justification.

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 09:55

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 09:12

Hamas has done some terrible things. Muslims and others in Gaza who have no power but happen to live in a country run by Hamas, are being deliberately exterminated by the Israelis. Including babies. There is no justification.

And yet Hamas does indeed justify it. They see the deaths of their own as sacrifices to the cause.

Israel justifies it as self defence.

It's up to each person considering this conflict to decide which justification makes more sense.

Meanwhile the people in Gaza keep suffering.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:21

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 09:55

And yet Hamas does indeed justify it. They see the deaths of their own as sacrifices to the cause.

Israel justifies it as self defence.

It's up to each person considering this conflict to decide which justification makes more sense.

Meanwhile the people in Gaza keep suffering.

Whatever one thinks about Hamas, the current numbers show Israel’s actions are causing immense civilian suffering. That is what must be addressed first and foremost.

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 11:40

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:21

Whatever one thinks about Hamas, the current numbers show Israel’s actions are causing immense civilian suffering. That is what must be addressed first and foremost.

I agree. The first and foremost is to alleviate the suffering of innocents, in Gaza, and the hostages- who are suffering too of course.

The immense suffering of civilians needs to end, with an end to the war.

Hamas full and complete surrender is what I hope for everyday. Followed immediately by full and complete Israeli cessation of military activities. Followed by the start of a genuine and lasting peace process.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:47

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 11:40

I agree. The first and foremost is to alleviate the suffering of innocents, in Gaza, and the hostages- who are suffering too of course.

The immense suffering of civilians needs to end, with an end to the war.

Hamas full and complete surrender is what I hope for everyday. Followed immediately by full and complete Israeli cessation of military activities. Followed by the start of a genuine and lasting peace process.

Israel’s current military approach is driving massive civilian casualties, including tens of thousands of children. Even if Hamas were fully neutralised, the way this war is being conducted is creating a humanitarian catastrophe. Protecting civilians has to be non-negotiable under international law, and that should guide any steps toward a genuine peace process.

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 11:53

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:47

Israel’s current military approach is driving massive civilian casualties, including tens of thousands of children. Even if Hamas were fully neutralised, the way this war is being conducted is creating a humanitarian catastrophe. Protecting civilians has to be non-negotiable under international law, and that should guide any steps toward a genuine peace process.

Fully agree that the way this war is being conducted is causing a humanitarian catastrophe.

Its unthinkable that Hamas is still not surrendering and accepting terms, given the immense suffering of Palestinians in Gaza.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are responsible for this immense suffering.

I hope one side lays down arms soon.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:59

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 11:53

Fully agree that the way this war is being conducted is causing a humanitarian catastrophe.

Its unthinkable that Hamas is still not surrendering and accepting terms, given the immense suffering of Palestinians in Gaza.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are responsible for this immense suffering.

I hope one side lays down arms soon.

Only one side is leveling cities, starving civilians, and killing tens of thousands of children. Both sides being blamed equally is a distortion. Hamas’ attacks were horrific, but nothing justifies the deliberate devastation of an entire civilian population.

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 12:13

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 11:59

Only one side is leveling cities, starving civilians, and killing tens of thousands of children. Both sides being blamed equally is a distortion. Hamas’ attacks were horrific, but nothing justifies the deliberate devastation of an entire civilian population.

Minimising Hamas's culpability again Boris?

They are just as responsible as Israel for the bloodshed in Gaza, maybe more so as they triggered this current war/genocide however you label it. Putting it mildly it was a huge miscalculation if they thought their allies in the ME were going to join them in trying to destroy Israel.

It doesn't help the discussion to move forward if people keep attempting to only hold one side responsible. Either side could end it, also.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 12:20

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 12:13

Minimising Hamas's culpability again Boris?

They are just as responsible as Israel for the bloodshed in Gaza, maybe more so as they triggered this current war/genocide however you label it. Putting it mildly it was a huge miscalculation if they thought their allies in the ME were going to join them in trying to destroy Israel.

It doesn't help the discussion to move forward if people keep attempting to only hold one side responsible. Either side could end it, also.

Classic DARVO move: ‘look what you made me do.’ No one made Israel flatten cities, starve civilians, and kill tens of thousands of children- those are conscious choices, not inevitable reactions.

Equating a terror attack with the deliberate levelling of cities, starving babies and children, and mass civilian deaths is…bold. Almost impressive how some can twist reality into moral equivalence while ignoring international law.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 12:27

@Twiglets1
The point I previously made:

Israel could have used intelligence-led, targeted operations and humanitarian-first approaches instead of levelling Gaza/selling it off as real-estate and starving civilians.

However, judging by their actions, combined with these statements, a worrying pattern emerges:

Operation Gideon's Chariots- in both its first and second stages, and perhaps someday in a third stage - is a military codename for preparing the ground for Smotrich's "real estate bonanza."

Smotrich, Israel's Finance Minister, and one of the people Netanyahu has used to keep himself propped in power:

"This thing turns into a real-estate bonanza.
I'm not kidding - it pays off. I've started negotiations with the Americans. I say this not just jokingly now, because we paid a lot of money for this war. So we need to make a divide on how we make a percentage on the land marketing later in Gaza. And now, no kidding, we've done the demolition phase which is always the first phase of urban renewal."

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 13:37

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 12:27

@Twiglets1
The point I previously made:

Israel could have used intelligence-led, targeted operations and humanitarian-first approaches instead of levelling Gaza/selling it off as real-estate and starving civilians.

However, judging by their actions, combined with these statements, a worrying pattern emerges:

Operation Gideon's Chariots- in both its first and second stages, and perhaps someday in a third stage - is a military codename for preparing the ground for Smotrich's "real estate bonanza."

Smotrich, Israel's Finance Minister, and one of the people Netanyahu has used to keep himself propped in power:

"This thing turns into a real-estate bonanza.
I'm not kidding - it pays off. I've started negotiations with the Americans. I say this not just jokingly now, because we paid a lot of money for this war. So we need to make a divide on how we make a percentage on the land marketing later in Gaza. And now, no kidding, we've done the demolition phase which is always the first phase of urban renewal."

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Silly hamas. Rage and hate can blind you - which I think is a recurring theme in MHY's book and speeches. Elections next year in Israel if the war ends.
UN are due to discuss 2 state solutions this week, hamas has to go, Israel to cede land for peace, hostages alive and dead returned.
The right to return is untenable so is a sticking point. ( Trying to imagine how Pakistan and Bangladesh would cope with a right to return of partitionees - and those land masses are huge compared to Israel.)
Palestine, like much of the middle east will be judenfrei (and feudal) of course.

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 14:15

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 21/09/2025 12:20

Classic DARVO move: ‘look what you made me do.’ No one made Israel flatten cities, starve civilians, and kill tens of thousands of children- those are conscious choices, not inevitable reactions.

Equating a terror attack with the deliberate levelling of cities, starving babies and children, and mass civilian deaths is…bold. Almost impressive how some can twist reality into moral equivalence while ignoring international law.

Well no one made Hamas massacre, rape & kidnap Israeli citizens either but “look what you made me do”.

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allusernamesaretakennow · 21/09/2025 15:02

Twiglets1 · 21/09/2025 07:52

Going back to the thread title, interesting interview with* Mosab Hassan Yousef reported in The Telegraph today:*

Palestine state will never exist, says son of Hamas founder

Mosab Hassan Yousef is an unlikely Israeli hero. As the oldest son of Hassan Yousef, a co-founder of Hamas and its spiritual leader in the West Bank, Mr Yousef rose through the ranks of the terror group as a child and saw the militants’ atrocities first-hand.

But after a stint in Israeli jails as a teenager for smuggling arms, he changed sides, secretly emerging as a Shin Bet spy embedded in the terrorist organisation his father helped run – a position he held for almost 10 years.

Known as the Green Prince, Mr Yousef became Israel’s most valuable asset, sharing vital intelligence on suicide bombings, shootings and stabbings during one of the bloodiest periods in the 70-year conflict.

He is now one of the most vociferous critics of the Palestine resistance movement – what he calls “Palestinianism” – and his invectives are not reserved only for Hamas but for nearly all civilians in the occupied territories.

Just as the UK, France, Canada, Portugal and other Western democracies stand poised to formally recognise Palestine as a state at the UN in New York on Monday, Mr Yousef says no such country exists.

The case Mr Yousef wants to make is not a palatable one to many. He believes that Palestine is an “artificial construct”, that Palestinians should drop their identity if they are ever to thrive, and that “Palestinianism” is a cultish curse that threatens not just Israel, but the wider world, especially the West.

“Palestinianism is a political, violent movement, and self-proclaimed Palestinians are those who are profiting out of the Palestinian cause. They are the perpetrators… nowadays I make no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians,” he says.

The identity he grew up with, he now rejects in its entirety. The Oct 7 massacre and Gaza’s obliteration in its wake, he sees the inevitable consequence of an identity forged in “violence and victimhood”.

“Most of the rapes, atrocities, beheadings, burning people, burning corpses; most of the atrocities that happened were committed by Gaza civilians, not the Hamas Nukhba [military wing]. The truth is, Hamas couldn’t control it.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/21/palestine-state-will-never-exist-says-son-of-hamas-founder/

Hamas unleashed and ordinary people joined in. The spitting on the broken body of Shani Louk

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13431889/amp/idf-body-hostage-shani-louk-hamas-terrorists.html

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 15:21

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 09:55

And yet Hamas does indeed justify it. They see the deaths of their own as sacrifices to the cause.

Israel justifies it as self defence.

It's up to each person considering this conflict to decide which justification makes more sense.

Meanwhile the people in Gaza keep suffering.

How is murdering young children who are starving and queuing for water ‘self defence’?

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 15:55

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 15:21

How is murdering young children who are starving and queuing for water ‘self defence’?

I am so, so very bored with people reducing such a complex, important conflict to a soundbite like this.

If you can't see how after being invaded on 7 October, having innocent civilians murdered and taken hostage isn't an act of war that requires a robust retaliation as self defence I'm 100% sure I can't convince you. Thats fine. You show me a war where children haven't died in awful ways? You show me a war where the instigators have called their own women and children necessary sacrifices? You show me a war where the attacked side is henceforth required to feed the civilians of the instigators? You show me a war where the instigators refuse to surrender until the whole nation is absolutely razed to the ground and yet the losing power STILL refuses to surrender, even in the midst of the utter destitution of their own?

I wish Israel would ceasefire. I wish Hamas would surrender. Either way, for the good of the future of Gazan civilians, and Israeli civilians living close to the border with Gaza, Hamas has absolutely got to go.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 21/09/2025 16:21

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 15:55

I am so, so very bored with people reducing such a complex, important conflict to a soundbite like this.

If you can't see how after being invaded on 7 October, having innocent civilians murdered and taken hostage isn't an act of war that requires a robust retaliation as self defence I'm 100% sure I can't convince you. Thats fine. You show me a war where children haven't died in awful ways? You show me a war where the instigators have called their own women and children necessary sacrifices? You show me a war where the attacked side is henceforth required to feed the civilians of the instigators? You show me a war where the instigators refuse to surrender until the whole nation is absolutely razed to the ground and yet the losing power STILL refuses to surrender, even in the midst of the utter destitution of their own?

I wish Israel would ceasefire. I wish Hamas would surrender. Either way, for the good of the future of Gazan civilians, and Israeli civilians living close to the border with Gaza, Hamas has absolutely got to go.

Do you not see the contradiction in your post - look at the figures of Palestinians killed by the IDF and settlers year after year - could that not also warrant a robust retaliation as self defense. It is impossible to talk to someone that sees one side as victims and the other as collateral damage.

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 16:33

dairydebris · 21/09/2025 15:55

I am so, so very bored with people reducing such a complex, important conflict to a soundbite like this.

If you can't see how after being invaded on 7 October, having innocent civilians murdered and taken hostage isn't an act of war that requires a robust retaliation as self defence I'm 100% sure I can't convince you. Thats fine. You show me a war where children haven't died in awful ways? You show me a war where the instigators have called their own women and children necessary sacrifices? You show me a war where the attacked side is henceforth required to feed the civilians of the instigators? You show me a war where the instigators refuse to surrender until the whole nation is absolutely razed to the ground and yet the losing power STILL refuses to surrender, even in the midst of the utter destitution of their own?

I wish Israel would ceasefire. I wish Hamas would surrender. Either way, for the good of the future of Gazan civilians, and Israeli civilians living close to the border with Gaza, Hamas has absolutely got to go.

'Hamas has to go' is a soundbite. It doesn't justify murdering innocent civilians. And you are leaving out the fact that the Palestinians territory being invaded and stolen from them in the first place.

quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2025 17:40

Foundationns · 21/09/2025 16:33

'Hamas has to go' is a soundbite. It doesn't justify murdering innocent civilians. And you are leaving out the fact that the Palestinians territory being invaded and stolen from them in the first place.

Which land and when? When do you want to reset the clock to?

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