Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

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Hamas’s embrace of “death culture” is beyond comprehension for much of the world, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the eldest son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the founder of the terrorist group, told JNS on Tuesday.

“It is not just the West, it’s also the East. It is beyond understanding that some people are willing to sacrifice human life for political gains, or worse for financial gains. I am a living example of this. My father had to choose between his eldest son and the cause and he chose the cause,” said Yousef.

“There is no parent in the world that would go into a fight that would put their own children in harm’s way. Hamas did the opposite. They went and dragged Israel in the most brutal fight of our time, knowing children would pay the price. This shows you their hypocrisy,” he continued.

“It’s the same game with pro-Palestinians worldwide. Everybody cries for the children on one hand, and on the other they are pushing Palestinian indoctrination which leads to the death of children. And then when children die, they blame Israel,” he added.

www.jns.org/hamas-death-culture-beyond-comprehension-says-founders-son/

Irish support for Palestine predates Hamas ... maybe that helps to explain it.

My enemy's enemy is my friend.

Or if not exactly friend in this context, at least someone they give a free pass to. Because of sharing the same common enemy.

No - you are misunderstanding me. Although Ireland has been pro Palestinian for a long time it has not seen israel as an enemy. Indeed we are one of their biggest trading markets, Most people support a two state solution. They do not support terrorism or violence against Israelis.

Irish people have had the experience of seeing terrorists become peacemakers once there was an alternative on offer. That’s just our experience. So the ongoing conflict and the very creation and sustain in of Hamas is largely put on Israel’s door.

Its simply not true to say Irish people don't support terrorism. Sally Rooney has said she will donate royalties to PA. And there are similar pro Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthi sentiments as expressed here by some people.

Hmmm ...I'm not convinced.

Sally Rooney supports PA because she doesn’t think they are terrorists. Neither do I although I don’t agree with their actions they are not terrorists. We all remember when wanting Irish unity was constantly conflated with terrorism in Britian. That’s something else that is very familiar here.

How do you know whose Irish here?

How do you know whose Irish here?

The ones that put "so" at the end of sentences are, others we don't know unless they mention it.

Well it’s all quite factual. Irish politicians in power have continually condemned Hamas and said that they should not have a future in a Palestinian state. It’s all there in black and white.

Well, I suppose that explains the complete blindness to what Hamas actually represents and the continued insistence that they would seek peace with Israel if given half a chance.

This guy was tortured by Shin Bet and the turned against Hamas when he saw what Hamas was doing to Palestinian people. He openly admits he was a Mossad agent for 10 years.

https://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/03/02/hamas.spy/index.html

I think we are all agreeing that Hamas is a terrorist organisation that committed atrocities on oct 7 and are not acting in the best interests of Palestinians.

But that doesnt absolve Israel of carrying out its policy of occupation of Palestine, war crimes, deliberate famine, annexing the West Bank.

Even if we assume all of the following: that Hamas have been hiding in every hospital and home (implausible and not supported by the evidence) and that Israel's lengthy blockade of aid into Gaza had no impact on the famine (again i find implausible) and that Hamas are sitting on millions of meals in food aid and all of the evidence that points to direct sniping of children in the head is all accidental or Hamas. That the Hello Daddy method of waiting till low level Hamas operatives returned home and allowed a justifiable kill ratio of 20 civilians to 1 Hamas is a legitimate means of enacting war against terror.

What are Israel doing in the West Bank? Where there is no Hamas?
They are annexing it and IDF are standing by while settlers murder and harrass and are allowing 22 new settlements. What

It appears that you just want to bury your head in the sand for all of the evidence that shows that Israel, as a great world power, has the ultimate influence and accountability for the mass suffering being perpetrated on Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

I think this approach is very shortsighted. I have seen comments about how pro-Palestinians are not good or effective friends to Palestinians.

Pro-Israelis in my opinion are doing a grave disservice to Israel who should be loved enough to he held accountable for their crimes and forced to stop and come to the negotiation table before it is too late and Israel are forever known as committing a genocide against the Palestinians and become permanent global paraiahs.

I don't know why you keep talking about the West Bank? This thread is not about the West Bank and neither is that other one you were talking about the West Bank on.

If you want to discuss the West Bank, you could start a thread on it.

I don't.

Because its a very inconvenient truth that Israel is not defending itself but actively the aggressor and occupier and has been for decades and I will post where I like as you did yesterday while joking in a forum about famine while children in Gaza are too weak to cry.

Well then what are you talking about?

I’m sure Irish people who support terrorism exist but the majority of people in the republic do not support terrorism and did not support terrorism, even the PIRA themselves.

Surely with a wide range of countries committing to recognise a Palestinian state and condemning Israeli actions, you can see that supporting Palestinian civilians is not the same as supporting Hamas? Or do you think all these countries are suddenly supporting terrorism.

The only joke I made was when Israel supporters were nastily accused of causing each other to start frothing (yes another boring personal attack) so I apologised to anyone I had this unpleasant effect on.

That harmless joke was not related to famine as you well know. The faux outrage because an Israel supporter then mentioned a frothy hot chocolate was pathetic considering all the genuinely nasty things that are said about us, laughing emojis etc that others use on sensitive threads all the time.

Tulip, if you keep raising topics that are unrelated to the OP it starts to look like you are just using threads as an excuse to spread your own agenda. That is why I suggested you could start your own thread on the subject that you seem to really want to talk about today, the West Bank.

I read newspapers & magazines, follow accounts on social media, listen to radio etc. Who would see MN as a microcosm of a whole society? Bizarre! How do you find out about public opinion on topics?!

What a lot of extrapolating you're doing there. Who said supporting citizens was the same as Hamas?

I do think recognising a Palestinian state with no conditions relating to the destruction of Hamas is at least a reward for terrorism, yes. That's a different issue.

I learn such a lot on these boards so would like to thank everyone who contributes whether I agree or not.

Isn’t this article a rebuttal of the idea that given a route out, terrorists will reform? The Irish example isn’t relevant here because as the OPs post makes clear, this is a cult with no interest in a route out. They want the current situation. Have engineered it, indeed.

And while I can deplore Israel’s response, neither can I think of an alternative given the nature and intention of Hamas.

Also, the whole power imbalance to me doesn’t seem that obvious.Israel has some military advantage, but numbers and possibly money and world opinion are on the side of hamas. They seem to have countless resources.

You said; And there are similar pro Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthi sentiments as expressed here by some people

by here I am assuming you meant MN?

When the UK was fighting with the IRA I don't remember anywhere near as much anti UK feeling as Israel are experiencing.

But that's because a lot of reporting in England was focused on Irish = bad, there wasn't much discussion around the loyalists or the collusion with the British Army.

Even now when people talk about the Troubles the conversation tends to only highlight the IRA because it's framed from an England perspective

But if Israel hadn't maintained an illegal occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas would never have gained such support (may never even have come into existence) in the first place.

But if...

But if...

Meanwhile, it's Israel that killed them. There's no inviolable law of nature that says Israel has to respond to a terrorist attack with a scorched earth genocide. It's simply what they chose to do.

I meant UK.

No inviolable law of nature, no.

It was predictable though. Hamas got what they (presumably) wanted.

Any criticism for them at all?

I think expecting Israel to be the grown up and respond temperately is to position Hamas as a toddler tantruming. It really isn’t. Expecting Israel to act with restraint when dealing with an organisation who are dedicated to destroying them and have deliberately embedded themselves in a civilian population is unreasonable.

Yes the article from the son of the Hamas founder does suggest that Hamas don't really care about the Palestinian cause, it's just a device to continue their religious war. In that sense it isn't comparable to Ireland as you say because the IRA did have a genuine cause & their goals were more political.

If Hamas has more money than Israel than where are their Naval assets? Where are their fighter jets? Where are their tanks? Where is their nuclear capability? That is a ridiculous comment. Hamas at most has had 50,000 figures and Israel has what 150’000 and many more reserves?

Also the Israeli government is recognised as legitimate by the majority of countries. How many countries formally recognise Hamas as a legitimate government?

They seem to have unending supplies of armaments from somewhere. And have diverted aid intended for civilian infrastructure to other uses.