So are MSF wrong about Gaza too?

[OneKookyShark]

I have read multiple posts both on here and on the CITME forum- and I am aware how toxic the debate is.

But surely when Legitimate and highly respected international NGO talks of ‘orchestrated killing and dehuminisation”, then it starts to become utterly undeniable?

I am sure someone will be along to tell me otherwise. I also note that Netenyahu has ordered a full occupation of Gaza city today.

“Médecins Sans Frontières calls for immediate closure of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation
The medical NGO Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has called for the immediate closure of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), the US- and Israeli-backed aid organisation operating in Gaza, describing GHF-run food distribution sites in Gaza as having become sites of “orchestrated killing and dehumanisation”.
In a social media post on Thursday, MSF wrote:
“In MSF’s nearly 54 years of operations, rarely have we seen such levels of systematic violence against unarmed civilians.”
The GHF-run food distributions in Gaza, Palestine, have become sites of “orchestrated killing and dehumanisation”, not humanitarian aid.
In a new report, MSF analysed medical data, patients’ testimonies and first-hand medical witnesses at two MSF clinics in Gaza and found that it “point[ed] to both targeted and indiscriminate violence by Israeli forces and private American contractors against starved Palestinians” at food distribution sites run by the GHF”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/07/benjamin-netanyahu-talks-full-gaza-occupation-aid-agencies-hostages

Well any minute now posters will be queuing up to tell you MSF are institutionally anti semetic, or terrorist sympathisers, or so naive they don’t realise they are being manipulated by Hamas. The usual arm chair experts who think they know far better than experienced hands on the ground 🙄
But of course yanbu. And yes Israel’s latest plans are even more horrific.

I just wonder how many of these highly respected NGO’s have to shout before someone actual listens - it’s so depressing

I've been a donor to MSF for 20 years.

I believe what they say. No NGO is perfect but they are undeniably a force for good.

Yes, they have always said that they are impartial too and go where there is need.

So it almost makes it even worse that it’s coming from them - the report makes fucking grim reading:

“Children shot in the chest while reaching for food. People crushed or suffocated in stampedes. Entire crowds gunned down at distribution points,” says Raquel Ayora, MSF General Director. “In MSF’s nearly 54 years of operations, rarely have we seen such levels of systematic violence against unarmed civilians”

We all know what's going on, it's just that some support it.

Or deny it.

It’s utterly horrific reading to be honest

“During those seven weeks, our teams treated 71 children for gunshot wounds, 25 of whom were under the age of 15. Faced with no alternatives to find food, starved families frequently send teenage boys into this lethal environment, as they are often the only males in the household physically able to make the journey”

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Not really the point of the thread though is it.

Or are we trying to undermine MSF and their report now too?

So what you’re saying is Gazans deserve to die as they’re such homophobes etc.

If I’ve misunderstood your point, could you please clarify what it actually is?

Even if you believe that, you still agree with children being murdered? Civilians starving to death? I'm honestly speechless

They deny it because they believe it’s actually right to remove the Gazans by any means, but they feel uncomfortable publicly saying that (although of course many do say it, including prominent members of the Israeli government).

So all that’s left is to pretend it isn’t happening.

Do you support children being shot in the head?

Because that is as accurate as that stupid meme

I guess that meme posted above is a good example of the dehumanisation that MSF speak about in their report.

I agree, there’s a lot of trying to persuade people that Palestinians don’t really deserve to exist.

Care to elaborate on that? That's quite a statement.

The World Health Organisation have also said this today. Assume they are ok and on the list of respected organisations too.

Damning in a different way to the MSF report which is much more significant in that it addresses the actual shooting of kids seeking food:

“Gaza recorded its highest monthly number of acute malnutrition cases in children, says WHO
Gaza has seen its highest monthly figure of acute malnutrition in children, with hunger-related deaths rising in the territory, the director general of the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Thursday. He added that malnutrition is widespread in the territory, reports Reuters.
“In July, nearly 12,000 children under five years were identified as having acute malnutrition in Gaza, the highest monthly figure ever recorded,” said WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at its headquarters in Geneva”

From NGO Monitor:

• MSF consistently abuses its status as a humanitarian organization to launch venomous anti-Israel political campaigns.
• In March 2024, MSF Canada’s treasurer Bryon Sonberg resigned claiming MSF “claims to be independent, neutral and impartial” are “untrue.” He expressed concerns that “MSF Canada failed to condemn October 7 or correct false statements on social media about the conflict.” According to Sonberg, “When I asked about MSF’s silence about the October 7 Hamas attacks, I was told that MSF only comments on what it witnesses; as MSF did not witness the attacks or their effects, they could not comment on them.”
• In December 2023, former MSF Secretary General Alain Destexhe published a report titled “Doctors Without Borders (Médecins Sans Frontières), an Accomplice of Hamas?” According to Destexhe, “The communication of the Nobel Peace Prize laureate and its employees on the ground since 7 October shows a systematic bias in favour of Hamas and hostility to Israel. Doctors Without Borders has failed in its humanitarian purpose and violated its own charter, which proclaims the impartiality, neutrality and independence of the organization with regard to any political or religious power…Despite being subject to the MSF Charter, a significant proportion of its staff seem to share the Hamas point of view and support the terrorist attacks of 7 October…The proximity between some MSF staff and Hamas raises questions about possible links between MSF in Gaza and extremist groups”

Where does the WHO get its information?

Because NGO Monitor are a REALLY reliable source aren’t they?

Normally NGO partners such as MSF and agencies working in the conflict zones they work in.

Exactly as I predicted, didn’t take long 🙄🙄

I’m an unapologetic Zionist and I agree with you completely. You can support the existence of Israel yet radically disagree with Netanyahu’s ‘methods’

Why can't they just eat their own food at home? They obviously have it, they are not thin enough to be starving.

(Honestly I read this view on MN only a few weeks ago, absolutely terrifying that these people exist among us)