Israeli security cabinet expected to approve Gaza takeover plan

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Sky News report that Israel is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's plan for a takeover of Gaza when the security cabinet meets later today.

According to the Times of Israel, the full cabinet is due to convene at 6pm local time, 4pm in the UK.

Israeli media are reporting that the plan could potentially span over five months, and it is likely to be aimed at destroying Hamas and pressuring it to free remaining hostages.

While some ministers have been critical of the plan, reports suggest Netanyahu is likely to secure a majority of support.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

Nothing those evil fuckers do would surprise me.

i don’t think you could just back out now and call it quits. It sounds like Gaza is lawless now with various militant groups and desperate population on brink of mass starvation.

The Saudi/French led conference produced the New York declaration that many pro Israel posters were waxing lyrical about the other day. In short it involved a temporary international security military under the umbrella of the PA and was a phased plan to a Palestinian state.

It sounded like a positive plan that ultimately could secure the safety of everyone in the region.

So you think Hamas should continue to govern then?

The IRA were bad enough but nothing like on the level of Hamas. I don’t think they used their own people as human sacrifices did they?

Israel abandon air, sea and land security measures so Hamas don’t need to paraglide in, they can fly into buildings, sail in ships full of arms and drive explosive laden vans in?

You think Palestinians themselves should continue to be used as human sacrifices and be indoctrinated to believe that killing Jews is worth more than their own lives?

Ok then.

While Hamas have seemingly killed Palestinians working with the GHF, I do think it important to point out that Israel's insistence on using the GHF (and not allowing impartial aid agencies in) is most likely a war crime and, at bare minimum, is far, far outside of norms.

I don't mean to suggest support for Hamas but let's not pretend that Israel is trying to distribute aid.

Yes, Israel has long been in a near impossible situation to manage, and no I dont think that its pursuing its current course out of the same type of pure malevolence or evil ideologies that we have seen during the worst moments in history - but it is engaged in a campaign of probable war crimes against civilians, and it will most likely only escalate from here.

If normality ever returns to the US, I hope we see Trump and his administration charged with war crimes too, for their complicity.

@ConscientiousObserver Why the hell Egypt wasn’t forced to open its borders for evacuations of children and uninvolved civilians at the start of the war, when this should have been foreseen as a tactic, I don’t know.

I'm asking this in good faith and because I know you are way more knowledgeable about these issues than me. But how could any other country have "forced" Egypt to do anything it didn't want to do? I don't see that they could personally, so interested in your opinion.

I agree that morally, Egypt should have opened its borders for evacuations of children & uninvolved civilians ( I think a small number did get evacuated to Egypt but more for medical reasons). It could be argued Egypt did have good reasons for not doing so, however, such as worrying that Israel would not allow them back into Gaza after the war, and also worrying that any adults would have militant tendencies and cause trouble for Egypt later down the line.

I'm not sure who could have forced Egypt to do anything - maybe America or maybe other ME countries could have put pressure on them to do so?

People like to compare Hamas to the IRA but they are not comparable really.

Just checked the figures and the IRA killed roughly 1700 people over their 25 year long campaign - most of these were soldiers, politicians & others they deemed responsible for British rule in Northern Ireland . Roughly 1,000 of those killed were members of the British security forces. Only about 500-644 civilians were killed across a 25 year period.

The British were absolutely shocked at the time that the IRA would kill civilians for a political cause. I am old enough to remember how they were seen as monsters at the time.

Can that really be compared to what Hamas did on 7/10 or the IRA goals compared to Hamas goals? It is also the stated intention of Hamas to kill all Jews. The IRA's main goals by comparison were to end British rule in Northern Ireland, to establish a united and independent republic encompassing all of Ireland, and to achieve Irish self-determination.

The IRA were not the only terrorist group? Loyalists were responsible more civilian death and the British security forces also killed civilians and colluded with paramilitaries. The problem has more to it than “the IRA”.

But anyway despite the fact that they themselves see themselves in each other, I agree that they are different. It was a very conflict, low level in comparison. The British government were positively saintly compared to the Israeli government and no paramilitary group targeted civilians on the same scale.

But there are lessons from the Good Friday Agreement anyway. Of course there are. It’s a blue print for other peace agreements.

Agree there could be lessons from the Good Friday agreement.

Has there been any political pressure on Egypt to open its borders? I may have missed it.

Mosab Hassan Yousef actually gave a good example of what could be done to get them to open the borders in a recent interview. It’s is pretty extreme but I do agree that extreme measures should have been taken to save thousands of civilian lives seeing as Egypt don’t seem to care too much about their fellow Egyptians Arabs because keeping them in Gaza to die suits them politically.

For anyone who doesn't know, Mosab Hassan Yousef is an ex-Palestinian militant who defected to Israel in 1997, thereafter working as an Israeli spy until he moved to the United States in 2007. His father is Hassan Yousef, a co-founder of Hamas.

I agree with you @ConscientiousObserver that political pressure could have been put on Egypt to open its borders - especially from the US.

I still don't think anyone could (or arguably should) have forced them to do so, though. I think Egypt have the right to make that decision for themselves. Though morally, they should at least have allowed women & children to evacuate, in my opinion.

If Egypt were to allow Palestinians fleeing from the slaughter across their borders, what is to say that Israel wouldn’t use it as a reason to bomb those fleeing? They bombed Lebanon didn’t they to target Palestinians there didn’t they? They also killed lots of people with their exploding phones. I think people are right to be wary.

If Egypt has allowed women & children to evacuate across their border there would have been no reason for the IDF to attack them. The IDF are targeting males who appear to present a threat as potential Hamas militants.

Ah I see you are expecting women and children to leave their husbands, brothers, fathers and sons and travel to a new country alone? I don’t think I’d do that.

Do you know anything about Hezbollah in Lebanon and what they were doing?

Hmmm lots of people with exploding phones rather indicates you don’t.

I would like a shot to potentially save my children’s lives.

Evacuations have happened in other wars. It’s a moot point anyway as Egypt didn’t offer to take them so they weren’t given the choice.

Yes that was a giveaway to a complete lack of understanding. I couldn’t even be bothered to go there on that point so well done for having the patience.

Absolutely I would flee to prevent my children being used as human sacrifices for Hamas who deliberately brought this war upon them.

I’d tell my husband and brothers to give themselves up and help Israel in any way they could to get rid of the terrorists who brought destruction to my home.

Wouldn’t you?

If Egypt were to allow Palestinians fleeing from the slaughter across their borders, what is to say that Israel wouldn’t use it as a reason to bomb those fleeing? They bombed Lebanon didn’t they to target Palestinians there didn’t they? They also killed lots of people with their exploding phones. I think people are right to be wary.

You've very much misunderstood. The Lebanon bombings and pagers were against Hezbollah, a terrorist organisation that has ruined Lenanon, and just been banned there.

They weren't targeted because they were Palestinian. They were targeted because they were firing missiles at Israel.

People's blind hatred of Israel does start to make sense if this is the level of factual understanding.

Ah I see you are expecting women and children to leave their husbands, brothers, fathers and sons and travel to a new country alone?

Would make a change from the men abandoning them to bugger off to Europe I suppose.

ah yes, I remember something similar happening in Srebrenica.

Would you leave your teenage sons behind?

Blimey
Sacrifice all male members to the IDF. No I bloody wouldn't

Don’t you read anything about what happens to Palestinians at the hands of the IDF. Don’t you read anything about rape and torture in Israeli jails.

Madness

You go run for it though

I would run for it yes and take my children with me if it meant getting them out of Gaza.

Aren’t they children up to age 19?

Hamas says so.

What would it matter what Hamas say?

If we look to the West Bank 16 year olds can be prosecuted in a military court as an adult. Only the Palestinians of course.

So would you happily wave goodbye to your teenage son and tell him to help out the IDF?