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Israeli security cabinet expected to approve Gaza takeover plan

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 10:18

Sky News report that Israel is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's plan for a takeover of Gaza when the security cabinet meets later today.

According to the Times of Israel, the full cabinet is due to convene at 6pm local time, 4pm in the UK.

Israeli media are reporting that the plan could potentially span over five months, and it is likely to be aimed at destroying Hamas and pressuring it to free remaining hostages.

While some ministers have been critical of the plan, reports suggest Netanyahu is likely to secure a majority of support.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

Gaza latest: Israeli security cabinet 'expected to approve' Gaza takeover plan - as aid trucks wait at Egyptian border

Israel's full security cabinet is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's Gaza takeover plan when it convenes today, according to Israeli media. Pictures show aid trucks waiting at the border with Egypt amid growing fears about famine. Follow the late...

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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Twiglets1 · 08/08/2025 20:50

Dangermoo · 08/08/2025 20:49

WTAF

Just ignore.

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PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 20:51

@Martymcfly24 Well I do think he believes it. He’s an Evangelical and has said he doesn’t believe Palestine exists and that it is all Israel.

International law and human rights don’t matter to these people who are driven by religious fundamentalism ideologies. They’ll put the Ideology over human life. This is the Israeli government who will even sacrifice their own hostages for their ideology, Hamas who will sacrifice the Palestinians and huckabee and many others in the Trump government.

Cheyennegreen · 08/08/2025 20:55

Good. Time Israel finished Hamas, and there is no other way to do it. They’re doing us all a favour

deckchairmayhem · 08/08/2025 20:57

Dangermoo · 08/08/2025 20:49

WTAF

Stay in your silo, but you no use to a solution, right? You know that too.

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 20:58

I listened to a spokeswoman this morning who said Israel has an ethos of not leaving anyone behind, given Jewish history I can see why. When you are shown tortured hostages such as Evyatar David what are the options?

SOAS lecturer also brought the other side of the discussion but could not answer why Hamas would not release the hostages.

Martymcfly24 · 08/08/2025 21:02

@PaxAeterna Yes I just looked him up his education is a bachelor degree in religion
Religion seems to be his biggest motivator

Dangermoo · 08/08/2025 21:04

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 20:58

I listened to a spokeswoman this morning who said Israel has an ethos of not leaving anyone behind, given Jewish history I can see why. When you are shown tortured hostages such as Evyatar David what are the options?

SOAS lecturer also brought the other side of the discussion but could not answer why Hamas would not release the hostages.

Unlike Hamas, Israel looks after its people.

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:07

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 20:58

I listened to a spokeswoman this morning who said Israel has an ethos of not leaving anyone behind, given Jewish history I can see why. When you are shown tortured hostages such as Evyatar David what are the options?

SOAS lecturer also brought the other side of the discussion but could not answer why Hamas would not release the hostages.

But, the hostages families and the Army Chief of staff think that this takeover will mean death for the hostages.

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:09

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:07

But, the hostages families and the Army Chief of staff think that this takeover will mean death for the hostages.

Did you see the video of Evyatar David? He looks at the end of his ability to survive, it’s so sad.

Dangermoo · 08/08/2025 21:09

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:07

But, the hostages families and the Army Chief of staff think that this takeover will mean death for the hostages.

They are going to die anyway. That's just being unspoken.

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:17

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:09

Did you see the video of Evyatar David? He looks at the end of his ability to survive, it’s so sad.

It is absolutely horrific and heartbreaking. We are truly watching the most horrible things humans can do to each other in Gaza. Nobody should be starving anyone to death.

The hostages families are desperately calling for a deal that will release their family members.

Twiglets1 · 08/08/2025 21:21

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:09

Did you see the video of Evyatar David? He looks at the end of his ability to survive, it’s so sad.

Yes I think that was a miscalculation on Hamas's part because he looks close to death anyway so delaying things indefinitely won't keep him alive.

If the hostages were worth a lot to Hamas they should have looked after them a bit better.

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ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 21:22

Martymcfly24 · 08/08/2025 21:02

@PaxAeterna Yes I just looked him up his education is a bachelor degree in religion
Religion seems to be his biggest motivator

Hmm maybe he’s there on the ground and is privy to more than mums on the internet.

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:26

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:17

It is absolutely horrific and heartbreaking. We are truly watching the most horrible things humans can do to each other in Gaza. Nobody should be starving anyone to death.

The hostages families are desperately calling for a deal that will release their family members.

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I just listened this morning and the pain was evident. They can’t get them back, they haven’t so far. He’s close to death and others too and feel out of options.

Plus who is distributing the aid that is sitting there? Of course the lead military are concerned, it’s their lives going in. It won’t be safe.

But this situation is also intolerable, the aid is sitting there in the hot sun and Hamas will do anything to win, including using Palestinians.

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:32

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:26

I just listened this morning and the pain was evident. They can’t get them back, they haven’t so far. He’s close to death and others too and feel out of options.

Plus who is distributing the aid that is sitting there? Of course the lead military are concerned, it’s their lives going in. It won’t be safe.

But this situation is also intolerable, the aid is sitting there in the hot sun and Hamas will do anything to win, including using Palestinians.

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Oh do you think that the Israelis will be ensuring that loads of aid reaches the Palestinians now?

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:33

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:32

Oh do you think that the Israelis will be ensuring that loads of aid reaches the Palestinians now?

Idk will Hamas shoot at them if they try? It’s hard to say as obviously it’s not us entering and facing terrorists.

Martymcfly24 · 08/08/2025 21:48

ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 21:22

Hmm maybe he’s there on the ground and is privy to more than mums on the internet.

That's why he doesn't know about International law?

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:50

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:33

Idk will Hamas shoot at them if they try? It’s hard to say as obviously it’s not us entering and facing terrorists.

Oh has there been reports of Hamas killing GHF staff members?

Twiglets1 · 08/08/2025 22:01

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 21:50

Oh has there been reports of Hamas killing GHF staff members?

Yes
Hamas’s threats against GHF staff are not a recent development. The terror organization and its affiliates have killed GHF staff, published threatening rhetoric against the aid group and Palestinians who associate with it, and embedded operatives at a GHF distribution site.

On June 11, 10 members of the GHF’s local workforce, on their way to a distribution site, were murdered by Hamas, according to the GHF.
Days before the murders, Hamas and the Arrow Unit published statements deriding the new aid mechanism. They warned Palestinians that they would become a target of the “resistance” if they associated themselves with entities linked to Israel and the United States.

“We affirm that the resistance security forces and units now have full authorization and mandate to strike forcefully and decisively against any entity or individual that collaborates or coordinates with the enemy’s schemes or any treasonous entity outside the law and the traditions of our people. All collaborators, thieves, and criminal armed gangs are legitimate targets for the resistance units and security,” the Hamas statement said.

www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2025/06/hamas-places-bounty-on-aid-workers-ghf.php

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ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 22:20

Twiglets1 · 08/08/2025 21:21

Yes I think that was a miscalculation on Hamas's part because he looks close to death anyway so delaying things indefinitely won't keep him alive.

If the hostages were worth a lot to Hamas they should have looked after them a bit better.

They have probably been deliberately starving and refeeding them all through this. Hopefully they’ll feed him more to keep him alive a bit longer now they’ve achieved the taunt to Israel they wanted to achieve. He is still valuable to the sick bastards.

Remember how starved the three hostages released in early February were? That 6 released later didn’t look like that.

They must starve some to taunt Israel with the holocaust narrative and feed some to make it look like they took good care of them.

www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-to-destroy-hamas-after-hostages-return-looking-like-holocaust-survivors/

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 22:24

ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 22:20

They have probably been deliberately starving and refeeding them all through this. Hopefully they’ll feed him more to keep him alive a bit longer now they’ve achieved the taunt to Israel they wanted to achieve. He is still valuable to the sick bastards.

Remember how starved the three hostages released in early February were? That 6 released later didn’t look like that.

They must starve some to taunt Israel with the holocaust narrative and feed some to make it look like they took good care of them.

www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-to-destroy-hamas-after-hostages-return-looking-like-holocaust-survivors/

I don’t think there are any boundaries for Hamas.

PaxAeterna · 08/08/2025 22:32

Oh yes i had forgotten that they had killed staff early on. The sites of food distribution seem “secure” now for the staff, the only deaths being those of civilians seeking aid of course.

@ConscientiousObserver i think sadly that all the men were treated like soldiers, so extraordinarily badly. Also I recall those being help by other armed groups being in the worst conditions.

It’s horrible. The man in the video looks like he needs medical treatment now to survive.

FixTheBone · 08/08/2025 22:41

Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 15:30

As a plan it seems very problematic. Not just for the people of Gaza but also for Israel and the Israeli hostages. What's the alternative though?

Hamas are just refusing to negotiate in good faith or to surrender.

I've heard it suggested that the purpose of the plan might be to motivate Hamas to negotiate from more of a solutions driven perspective - who knows?

Whether this plan gets adopted or an alternative one, I'm not sure a good outcome exists. It would have been better if Hamas had just released all the hostages and surrendered its weapons during the first ceasefire.

The only plan that can work is something like the good friday agreement.

Everyone uncinditionally pardoned on both sides, as unpalatable as it might be, and then people might, just might be able to move forward instead of looking back.

The current plan can only work is you successfully genocide / ethnically cleanse the palestinians out of existence, other wise there will always be someone's son or daughter with an axe to grind that sustains Hamas, or forms the next terrorist group.

ConscientiousObserver · 08/08/2025 22:50

EasternStandard · 08/08/2025 21:26

I just listened this morning and the pain was evident. They can’t get them back, they haven’t so far. He’s close to death and others too and feel out of options.

Plus who is distributing the aid that is sitting there? Of course the lead military are concerned, it’s their lives going in. It won’t be safe.

But this situation is also intolerable, the aid is sitting there in the hot sun and Hamas will do anything to win, including using Palestinians.

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They’ve been using ‘the blood of Palestinians to ignite the resistance’ since this whole ‘Palestinian cause’ started.

Why people don’t think Hamas is capable of deliberately starving their own civilians for propaganda, as well as the hostages, is beyond me.

No government, or leader of a group of people, would deliberately carry out an act of war like they did on Oct 7th, knowing they had no hope of ever defeating the super military of the country they started it with, while also deliberately putting civilians in harms way, unless they wanted as many of them to die as possible. The immense pressure on Israel for permanent ceasefire, so they can do it it again, hasn’t worked so what was their logical next step with what they could control. I mean, hello!

Why the hell Egypt wasn’t forced to open its borders for evacuations of children and uninvolved civilians at the start of the war, when this should have been foreseen as a tactic, I don’t know.

Civilians should have been isolated from Hamas from the start. We’re told most don’t support them.

I would like to know why the international community, Starmer et al, have never mentioned that.

Have they?

SpaceRaccoon · 08/08/2025 22:56

Everyone uncinditionally pardoned on both sides, as unpalatable as it might be, and then people might, just might be able to move forward instead of looking back.

Honesty I think Hamas would just start setting off rockets while plotting the Oct 7 sequel.

Yahya Sinwar was previously released from an Israeli prison during the last hostage-for-prisoners exchange (and they'd cured his brain cancer for him) and liok how thst turned out.

What a lot if people in the West don't seem to understand is that Hamas etc aren't doing this because they want liberation for Palestine in it's current or 1967 borders. They want all of it. From the river to the sea.

Actually some Westerners agree with them, come to think of it, hence you get white American woman unironicaly spouting off about "settler colonialists", talking about a country with a majority Middle Eastern descended population.