Palestine Action demo 9 August

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To my amazement, last night I discovered that some posters on MN think that "radical Islam" means simply "Muslim" 😬

I wonder if this explains why so many are unconcerned about who might be pulling the strings behind the "peace" rallies that were first organised on 7 October? Do they know what radical Islam is, how powerful it is, that it is widely acknowledged as the greatest threat to UK national security, that its intentions are clearly stated, that it is 10000000% different than simply observing Muslim faith?

Palestine Action are planning a rally in central London on Saturday and hope to overwhelm the police presence. Is anyone concerned about this? I'm worried that the seeds of civil unrest are being sown, without it being entirely clear who is sowing them.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-palestine-action-protest-b1241347.html

I just checked and they are essentially the same organisation, just known by different names... surprise!

I believe many organisations do that, especially dodgy ones with aims that are not as straight forward as some would hope for to confuse people.

They would be more honest if they called themselves Destroy Israel or the Destroy Israel Group, or even the Destroy Western Culture group... but that doesn't have quite the same lofty idealistic connotations.

What about Hate Jews? Snappy and accurate.

A picture paints a thousand words. Look at the useful idiot

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wn5gdv0wgo.amp

Half of those arrested were aged 60 or over... make of that what you will.

A lot of them have never grown up. Too busy chasing crusades and shaming others into not sharing their conscience. I keep a wide berth from protestor hobbyists.

This is interesting https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72 www.thejc.com/news/uk/jewish-figures-letter-opposing-palestine-action-proscription-protest-bn3zer72]]]]

Also interesting- in addition the European union and Amnesty International seem to think that proscription is overstepping

Id like to know more about the real reasons behind labelling PA a terrorist group. Maybe then I’d understand why the U.K. government has taken steps which limit freedom of speech and limit peaceful protest.

Have you RTFT?

There are human rights group also suggesting that the judicial review about the proscription occurs before those charged gets to court - particularly, as the following article points out, it may create judicial chaos otherwise.

“One of the reasons Mr Justice Chamberlain gave for granting permission at the high court for a judicial review of the proscription was that those charged with criminal offences under the act might seek to challenge the legality of the proscription order individually when tried. Criminal courts might reach different decisions, creating “a recipe for chaos”, he said.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/15/palestine-action-prosecutions-should-be-suspended-uk-rights-groups

I agree with suggestions in the press that this might be because older people may be more likely not to fear a criminal record for work reasons nor care about travelling to the U.S.

Dont think it’s because “protestor hobbyists” only exist in the older generations.

Definitely not that “protester hobbyists” only exist in older generation.

It’s a silly thing to get a criminal record over when you can protest in other ways. Makes more sense for older people who have retired.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/16/im-proud-to-have-made-this-stand-over-60s-arrested-at-palestine-action-ban-protest-explain-their-decision Huge respect for these people! I agree with the guy who says he doesn’t necessarily agree with vandalism - I would be the same - but vandalism is not terrorism and changing the parameters of what a terrorist is doesn’t just affect Palestinian protestors.

It is an attack on civil liberties to outlaw peaceful protest. A lot of changes were snuck in during the last few years and many people are unaware that they could be arrested for demonstrating for other causes too! One protestor I heard interviewed previously worked for the government and said he had been worried about the gradual erosion of civil liberties under successive governments. These are not old hippies - they are highly educated individuals - people who worked within government, heads of corporations, army personnel, lawyers, doctors etc…

Meanwhile, in Belgium...

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1956307627480125485

I'm not even sure how that's legal, given that Europe in general has quite strict guardrails on freedom of speech.

Celebrating the ramallah lynchings. Nice. They're either evil or stupid- hard to tell.

Wow - I just read up on the ramallah lynchings.

What a thing to still be celebrating!

Does make a 2 state solution seem like an impossible dream.

It's like bloody Night of the Living Dead. I can't go anywhere without seeing Palestinian flags.

Some wit had commented 'You know when you've been Tangoed' ! Honestly those people need to go live in Gaza.

You know the Palestinian mob actually tore apart those two poor men who were no threat to them at all and had gone to a police station for safety.

There is a picture of the mob proudly holding up their inner body parts with glee which I won’t link to as it is horrific but it has been blurred in one MSM source I found which is Googleable.

That was in the West Bank not in Gaza.

Then you have people pretending not to understand why Israel has a military presence there.

Reading about why they chose to protest was interesting. The concerns on infringement of right to protest was a significant part.

Journalists also have concerns in how they cover the protests, for example:
https://novaramedia.com/2025/07/22/the-palestine-action-ban-has-had-a-chilling-effect-on-the-press-it-must-be-overturned/

Horrifying.

@RandomWordsThrownTogether

"Huge respect for these people! I agree with the guy who says he doesn’t necessarily agree with vandalism - I would be the same - but vandalism is not terrorism and changing the parameters of what a terrorist is doesn’t just affect Palestinian protestors.
It is an attack on civil liberties to outlaw peaceful protest. A lot of changes were snuck in during the last few years and many people are unaware that they could be arrested for demonstrating for other causes too! One protestor I heard interviewed previously worked for the government and said he had been worried about the gradual erosion of civil liberties under successive governments. These are not old hippies - they are highly educated individuals - people who worked within government, heads of corporations, army personnel, lawyers, doctors etc…"

so you support the attack on a female police officer in Bristol by Palestinian Action wish a sledgehammer that left her hospitalised?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

Palestinian Action in November 2024 also attacked the building of a Jewish National Fund.
Met Police launch hate crime probe after Jewish building vandalised
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14033847/Met-Police-hate-crime-vandals-paint-Jewish-London-Pro-Palestinian.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

The IRA also blew up various buildings in the UK with bombs giving warnings to avoid casualties- was this simply vandalism or was it terrorism?

I have already stated on previous occasions that the IRA were a terrorist organisation (as were the UVF and UDA) - they were formed after huge civil rights abuses but went on to commit terrible atrocities, murdering innocent people. The IRA were terrorists because they killed and bombed innocent people, not for splashing paint or breaking windows.

I have also already stated I don’t agree with vandalism as I don’t really think it progresses a cause or achieves anything. However, there is a difference between vandalism and terrorism which is why many countries are criticising the UK and many in the human rights sphere are saying these new laws are an attack on civil liberties and the right to protest. The danger in reclassifying what is terrorism and needing permission to protest is an attack on democracy itself. If someone committed assault on a police officer they should be charged with assault - that is a serious crime and they should go to prison for it. I do not approve of any violence, particularly against the police who are doing their jobs. However, that individuals crime should not be labeled terrorism, it is assault with a deadly weapon, a serious crime with a hefty prison sentence but not the same as terrorism. Their group should not be charged as terrorists for the actions of one person, if it was shown that violence was routinely used by several members of their group then it could be seen as part of their mission but the actions of one individual does not make a pattern of behaviour.

In terms of throwing paint at the JNF I read that the motivation was because the JNF fund illegal settlements in the West Bank which makes them complicit in war crimes - less anti semitic and more anti violent displacement I would say. Again I don’t really think throwing paint really achieves much or furthers the cause. I think they should instead concentrate on the legalities of raising funds to send abroad that are going towards illegal activities and try to get the organisation investigated for their part in this. Pursuing criminals who fund illegal settlements in the courts, highlighting their crimes in the media and hurting them financially through boycotts etc… is the way to go, it would hurt them a lot more than a little bit of paint.

The actions of the people who lynched those two soldiers were absolutely disgusting and what happened to them was horrible and unjustifiable.

Just regarding your last point though regarding the military being needed though, :
"Tensions had been escalating prior to the incident; over 100 Palestinians, two dozen of them children, had been killed by Israeli forces in the preceding two weeks"

Hence the bloody red hands. Beyond ghoulish.