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Conflict in the Middle East

27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/07/2025 15:12

Facts:

  • At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
  • Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
  • Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
  • Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
  • Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
  • Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
  • Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
  • Nightmares
  • Bedwetting
  • Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
  • Panic at loud sounds
  • Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
  • Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
  • Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
  • Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
  • Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
  • Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
  • Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
  • Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
  • A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
  • Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
  • Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
  • Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
  • Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

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Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 11:44

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/07/2025 11:39

If you would stop interrupting me, we could get something from this interview,” Mencer replied.
He was being challenged on his evidence. Have you never listened to political interviews before this is how they're conducted.

There is no denial of what's happening, or that it is horrible. There is confusion and disagreement about how it's happening on the ground
Maybe not from you but yes there is plenty of denial on these threads.

Challenging someone on their evidence means coming from a well-informed position and know that what they are saying doesn't add up. It isn't cutting someone dead before they have a chance to explain, from their perspective, what must surely be a logistical nightmare. That's censorship.

I must be reading a different thread! Or have maybe missed the comments denying the tragedy of what is unfolding in Gaza.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/07/2025 11:50

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 11:44

Challenging someone on their evidence means coming from a well-informed position and know that what they are saying doesn't add up. It isn't cutting someone dead before they have a chance to explain, from their perspective, what must surely be a logistical nightmare. That's censorship.

I must be reading a different thread! Or have maybe missed the comments denying the tragedy of what is unfolding in Gaza.

There was nothing wrong with how he was interviewed in my opinion

I must be reading a different thread! Or have maybe missed the comments denying the tragedy of what is unfolding in Gaza.
Yes you must be. Plenty of comments denying the pictures, denying they're starving, commenting that adults look well fed and on it goes.

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 11:58

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 11:23

I consider it antisemitic to reject all information coming from Israel as automatically false, while being spoonfed information from Hamas. All wars involve propaganda. It's on a new level with this one.

Absolutely! It is so blatant.

It should have been deduced by anyone with a modicum of intellectual reasoning that Hamas unleashed such barbaric atrocities and mass kidnapping on Oct 7th to lure Israel into going into Gaza so they could use their own people as a propaganda tool. They admitted it themselves. They had no other weapon!

The IDF ARE the most moral army in the world which is exactly why Hamas and co are having to create ‘war crimes’ and tell such outrageous lies (invisible IDF soldiers sniping children), use AI, stage videos, use images from other wars or contexts, etc. Of course innocents are dying too due to Hamas deliberately using them as human sacrifices but not enough.

The only people who can’t see through this are those whose ingrained blind hate for Israel and Jewish people has rendered them completely boneheaded.

The accusations against Israel defy logic and common sense unless you are working from a standpoint that the Israelis are stupid, which most will admit they are far from.

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 11:58

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 11:36

There is no denial of what's happening, or that it is horrible. There is confusion and disagreement about how it's happening on the ground, and unlike you I don't think the interview with Mencer was handled well, unless (apparently like you) the only way to treat any information from Israel is to dismiss it with contempt.

“If you would stop interrupting me, we could get something from this interview,” Mencer replied.

The interview was fine, Israeli spokespeople rarely come out well in interviews regarding the war because it is very difficult to attempt to defend what the state of Israel is carrying out in Gaza.

BelleHathor · 25/07/2025 11:58

Agree, he was interviewed well it's just much more difficult defending the indefensible.

They expect people to.have forgotten about Netanyahu recently boasting about arming ISIS affiliated gangs in Gaza, further hindering aid distribution.
https://www.972mag.com/gaza-social-collapse-criminal-gangs/

"What is unfolding is not mere military conquest but engineered disintegration — one in which Israel actively cultivates Gaza’s collapse by empowering criminal militias, fragmenting authority, and dismantling every pillar of Palestinian social infrastructure.
At the center of this unraveling stands Yasser Abu Shabab, a 32-year-old Rafah native of Bedouin descent. Once imprisoned by Hamas on charges of narcotics trafficking, Abu Shabab now leads the “Popular Forces” (al-Quwat al-Shaabiya), a militia operating with open Israeli backing in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. Publicly, he postures as a provider of order and protector of humanitarian aid; in reality, he is the linchpin of a proxy war to replace governance with warlordism and clan-based coercion.
Abu Shabab’s rise is no accident. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has admitted to “activating powerful clans in Gaza” to counter Hamas, as corroborated by former right-wing Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, as well as media investigations showing his militia operating in Israeli-controlled zones"

A Word Food Programme convoy came under fire from IDF yanks on the 21st July 2025.

How Israel is engineering Gaza's social collapse

Empowering criminal gangs and weaponizing aid, Netanyahu seeks to fracture the Strip into rival fiefdoms — allowing only chaos to reign.

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-social-collapse-criminal-gangs/

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:01

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 25/07/2025 11:50

There was nothing wrong with how he was interviewed in my opinion

I must be reading a different thread! Or have maybe missed the comments denying the tragedy of what is unfolding in Gaza.
Yes you must be. Plenty of comments denying the pictures, denying they're starving, commenting that adults look well fed and on it goes.

Adults do look well fed and there seems to be a high rate of obese adults in Gaza who have maintained that through the war.

How do you explain that?

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:03

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:01

Adults do look well fed and there seems to be a high rate of obese adults in Gaza who have maintained that through the war.

How do you explain that?

Honestly, I wonder if you ever hear yourself.

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:04

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:03

Honestly, I wonder if you ever hear yourself.

I do.

Are you going to answer my question?

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:05

Where do you get the information of a high rate of obese adults who are still obese in Gaza?

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:13

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:05

Where do you get the information of a high rate of obese adults who are still obese in Gaza?

I have eyes and can read.

HTHs.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:15

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:13

I have eyes and can read.

HTHs.

Can you quote / link your sources?

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:15

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:13

I have eyes and can read.

HTHs.

Can you quote / link your sources?

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Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:19

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 11:58

The interview was fine, Israeli spokespeople rarely come out well in interviews regarding the war because it is very difficult to attempt to defend what the state of Israel is carrying out in Gaza.

What really saddens me is the blind refusal to accept that Israel faces any threats whatsoever.

I don't know him directly, but someone I know of was one of the many IDF volunteers after 7 October. He was at Nova Festival, with a friend who committed suicide rather than live with the memory of what happened there.

I don't know if you have ever been to a psytrance festival, but the entire ethos behind them is one of pacifism and global community (Shani Louk was there with her Mexican boyfriend). Had Hamas landed and decided to join the party, they would have been welcome and it could have been what it was supposed to be, a joyful celebration of life and love.

For him to join the IDF went against all his principles. He did it in the face of what he suddenly understood as pure evil.

It is disingenuous to talk as though the distribution of supplies in Gaza is not complicated by the fact that IDF soldiers are clearly identifiable, whereas Hamas are not. Not all the crowds gathered around a food vehicle are just there for a bag of rice.

The UN and UNRWA are closely intertwined, and the latter is known to have assisted the atrocities of 7 October. This puts a shadow over the UN's impartiality when insisting on a ceasefire before supplies are released.

The cries of "Death to the IDF!" at Glasto, and the way this was applauded, is really frightening. The irony of it happening at what was supposed to be a peaceful music festival!

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:21

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:19

What really saddens me is the blind refusal to accept that Israel faces any threats whatsoever.

I don't know him directly, but someone I know of was one of the many IDF volunteers after 7 October. He was at Nova Festival, with a friend who committed suicide rather than live with the memory of what happened there.

I don't know if you have ever been to a psytrance festival, but the entire ethos behind them is one of pacifism and global community (Shani Louk was there with her Mexican boyfriend). Had Hamas landed and decided to join the party, they would have been welcome and it could have been what it was supposed to be, a joyful celebration of life and love.

For him to join the IDF went against all his principles. He did it in the face of what he suddenly understood as pure evil.

It is disingenuous to talk as though the distribution of supplies in Gaza is not complicated by the fact that IDF soldiers are clearly identifiable, whereas Hamas are not. Not all the crowds gathered around a food vehicle are just there for a bag of rice.

The UN and UNRWA are closely intertwined, and the latter is known to have assisted the atrocities of 7 October. This puts a shadow over the UN's impartiality when insisting on a ceasefire before supplies are released.

The cries of "Death to the IDF!" at Glasto, and the way this was applauded, is really frightening. The irony of it happening at what was supposed to be a peaceful music festival!

Doesn’t justify the man-made starvation of 2 million people though- half babies and children.

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Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:25

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:21

Doesn’t justify the man-made starvation of 2 million people though- half babies and children.

Was just coming on to say that.

Nothing justifies the man made starvation in Gaza.

A friend of mine has family in Gaza. The family had a five year old daughter who she had promised a bike for after the war was over. That child is dead now.

Do you know how long it took to read the names of all the people killed by Israel in Gaza? More than 18 hours.

Nothing anyone will say will ever justify to me the genocide of the Palestinians.

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:26

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:13

I have eyes and can read.

HTHs.

I.e you just made it up.

MissyB1 · 25/07/2025 12:30

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:19

What really saddens me is the blind refusal to accept that Israel faces any threats whatsoever.

I don't know him directly, but someone I know of was one of the many IDF volunteers after 7 October. He was at Nova Festival, with a friend who committed suicide rather than live with the memory of what happened there.

I don't know if you have ever been to a psytrance festival, but the entire ethos behind them is one of pacifism and global community (Shani Louk was there with her Mexican boyfriend). Had Hamas landed and decided to join the party, they would have been welcome and it could have been what it was supposed to be, a joyful celebration of life and love.

For him to join the IDF went against all his principles. He did it in the face of what he suddenly understood as pure evil.

It is disingenuous to talk as though the distribution of supplies in Gaza is not complicated by the fact that IDF soldiers are clearly identifiable, whereas Hamas are not. Not all the crowds gathered around a food vehicle are just there for a bag of rice.

The UN and UNRWA are closely intertwined, and the latter is known to have assisted the atrocities of 7 October. This puts a shadow over the UN's impartiality when insisting on a ceasefire before supplies are released.

The cries of "Death to the IDF!" at Glasto, and the way this was applauded, is really frightening. The irony of it happening at what was supposed to be a peaceful music festival!

Don't know how old you are but I lived through the IRA bombing campaigns in the 70s and 80s, very difficult for my family as Irish Catholics in the UK. Thank goodness the Government here didn't decide to wreak revenge on Ireland in the manner that Israel have on Gaza, otherwise I suspect most of my relatives would be dead.

What happened on October 7th was horrific, but you know there is no justification for what has been done to Gaza.

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:31

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 25/07/2025 12:21

Doesn’t justify the man-made starvation of 2 million people though- half babies and children.

Made by which men, though? You only factor in Israel, but it is somewhat more complicated than that.

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:35

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:31

Made by which men, though? You only factor in Israel, but it is somewhat more complicated than that.

Are you going to ignore that they blockaded ALL aid for a long period of time?

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:44

MissyB1 · 25/07/2025 12:30

Don't know how old you are but I lived through the IRA bombing campaigns in the 70s and 80s, very difficult for my family as Irish Catholics in the UK. Thank goodness the Government here didn't decide to wreak revenge on Ireland in the manner that Israel have on Gaza, otherwise I suspect most of my relatives would be dead.

What happened on October 7th was horrific, but you know there is no justification for what has been done to Gaza.

Do you regard all wars as ‘revenge’ or just this one?

Can we assume you don’t regard invading, slaughtering, raping and kidnapping almost 1500 people in the space of less than a day, as well as injuring over 7000 more, as an act of war?

What would you regard as an act of war against another country (that isn’t Israel)?

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:47

Beachtastic · 25/07/2025 12:31

Made by which men, though? You only factor in Israel, but it is somewhat more complicated than that.

No, but I doubt we will get to hear exactly what their reasons were (given that military intelligence must have played a part) until all this is ancient history.

MissyB1 · 25/07/2025 12:49

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 12:44

Do you regard all wars as ‘revenge’ or just this one?

Can we assume you don’t regard invading, slaughtering, raping and kidnapping almost 1500 people in the space of less than a day, as well as injuring over 7000 more, as an act of war?

What would you regard as an act of war against another country (that isn’t Israel)?

So I take it you regard any terrorist attack in the UK as an act of war and think the UK government should immediately go to war? You would presumably have had Ireland razed to the ground and the Irish people bombed then starved?

Thelmaandloulou · 25/07/2025 12:49

Changerj · 25/07/2025 12:38

Oh my goodness 😭