Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

I'm not sure if you are referring to the IDF as delivering Genocide on behalf of Israel. I question this term.

Isn't this the 1 geographical region in the world seen as a Jewish homeland. Surrounded by multiple multiple regions led by an Islamic ideology?

Isn't it so that a 2 state solution has been proven unworkable by a party that is non negotiable with. That one group is wholly unwilling to sit along side another group; the one and only stand alone group here in the whole region.

Isn't it therefore a case of- protect this at all costs? Because it's the only 1 place left here. And nothing is workable here in support of another half way house clearly.

I do believe depravity operates anywhere. I also believe that you can be indoctrinated into certain ways of being more vociferously than others. I ask if that's why so many people ' celebrated' over the corpses of the Bibas family; mum's and children dancing about in glee, parties. Grotesque.

What do the Western be kind morons have to say about this? I'd bet they haven't even watched the videos.

EDIT - absolutely not directed at posters here btw. I think in my mind entirely of the people I have seen on TV, online etc when I use these insulting words.

Like Shalhevet Pass? Is that still called 'resistance'?
Do people who call to 'globalise the intafada' know what they're supporting?

That doesn’t change what I said. Nice deflection.

These fuckwits wittering on about how they aren’t antisemtic, just anti-Zionist when they don’t know what Zionism is, assume it means supporter of Netanyahu and have no idea that antisemites have long used it as a code word for Jew. So they, full of self-righteousness, parade around with their signs saying ‘Zionists control your government’, ‘Zionists control your media’ ‘Zionists are bloodthirsty’ when if you replaced the word Zionist with Jew they are just perpetrating the same old antisemitic tropes that have been wheeled out to attack Jews since long before the Holocaust.

Oh yes definitely. I see the word "zios" used a lot on social media. We know what they mean.

Yet, we are still told the marches are peaceful. You get posters come on here, who say they've been on them and have never seen trouble. It's always followed by the obligatory "even Jewish people joined in". So patronising and naive. Yes, because a few Jewish people represent the whole race. Why weren't Israeli flags flying at Glastonbury? All hell would have broken loose, but oh so peaceful.

I have lost count of the number of threads where people say "You don't care about Gazans because they are brown" ... I wonder what colour they think Israelis are, and why they think it matters?

The same twats, who couldn't name the river and sea in the death chants. Said twats, who chant but are too thick to know its real connotations. Worst part is, a lot of these are public sector workers. I wouldn't want any dealings with any of them, with such lack of judgement.

I don't feel they're overlooked.

I feel like they're sneered at.

I feel like the "Pro Palestine" movement has been ripping down their posters, tearing off their ribbons, denying their rapes, circulating stories that what occurred was "resistance", and doing their macabre performance at music festivals.

I don't think they're overlooked, I think they're actively sneered at by this movement.

Coincidentally, I watched multiple protesters interviewed ref the River to the sea chants they were involved in. They couldn't answer when asked what's the River and what is the Sea?

Well this is the crux of it. The ignorant belief that Jews are predominantly white, makes it easier to support the 'brown people'. It's so bloody transparent with these lefties. This is why they aren't interested in black on black crimes.

ETA: ask them why they didn't care about Yemen and Syria and they have no answer, except whataboutery claims. No, it's because muslims killing Muslims isn't as juicy.

Well it seems that The Un and Unicef also believe that "the slag was raped" so I am in good company.
Again, for the hard of understanding - I have no issue with Jewish people just the actions of Netanyahu and The IDF. Not because they are Jewish but because they are killing women and children.
I appreciate that the use of the word Genocide is offensive to some but I firmly believe thats what is happening. Would Hammas like to commit genocide as well? I am sure they would and I have no love for them either, doesn't make me anti Islam though.

I agree with you based on the lunacy of protestors I have observed watching a few hours of footage across London and Manchester.

Some very frightening people. A large proportion of lost incompetent fools, a fair few Trans people I noticed, a number of obviously disabled possibly being exploited to engage in a cause.

People being physically attacked for challenging the Pro Palestine nonsense of protestors and their stunning bravery. So brave being prepared to be carted off plank style by the Police now for protesting c/o Palestine Action.

Yes I am sneering myself here at this element.

..because they are killing women and children. There you have it. As I will keep saying, you're responding in the exact same way, intended. Emotional blackmail.

So just to clarify you think that because I object to a regime that (I believe) is killing women and children I must hate all Jewish people?
Expressing this opinion is Anti Semitic?

There were still jihadists in Israel on October 8th, still fighting in Israeli towns, it wasn't all over on the 7th.
Some people in the west were openly gleeful about this for whatever reason that may be. Personally, I'm disgusted by people who find the idea of war gleeful (especially when they don't have to experience it's reality).

Where on earth did you get that, from my post?

Are you anti-Chinese? Anti-Sudanese? Anti-Russian?

My stance is, if you're equally concerned about hostage release and removal of jihadists as a pathway to peace, you're not demonising Israel and you're idealising a two-state solution. I agree.
If you see Israel as a white colonialist enterprise that spoiled the utopian peace of Palestine, I disagree.
If you react with glee to a pogrom and use it as a reason to target Jewish people, you're an antisemite, and chances are you hate a lot of other 'groups' too but they're lower on the list or you haven't had an opportunity to target them.

I am anti all of those regimes you mention, not anti those countries. Its a distinction a lot of people seem to ignore if it doesn't fit their narrative
I have never considered Israel to be white colonists and I wouldn't react with glee to the mass killing of any group based on their race or religion (or anything else)

I've said this before on MN but I had no idea how prevalent anti-Semitism was until October 7th. It was horrifying to see some people in the UK gleefully celebrating the attack - and then there were those on the left calling it 'resistance', saying the Israelis deserved it because of colonialism, saying they were lying about the rapes and murders.

Someone I know quite well online tried to get support for her colleague, who was apparently being 'harassed by the far right' just because he 'cared about Palestine'. Something sounded fishy about this, so I googled it and it turns out this was a man going around tearing down all the hostage posters he could find, who was annoyed that someone had filmed him and put it online. I haven't felt quite the same about the person who presented such a misleading version of events since.

I hope all the Jewish people posting here stay safe, and I'm so sorry for what you have had to deal with. I wear a yellow pin for the hostages, and sometimes going into London I have a moment of worry about it, so I can only imagine what it must feel like to be visibly Jewish right now.

I accept there may be a point where geography and home as a concept need to be separated from religion and ideology.

It is all about religion and ideology from what I see.

It looks like the identity of martyr and victim on one side infiltrates the minds of Western morons ( a great cause to clinker onto and feel fluffy inside over).

And the other group, absolutely victims and so incredibly vulnerable ffs are completely ignored, minimised and very likely imo subject to an Anti Semitism that people here don't even know they have within them. I even want to use the over used phrase 'systemic gaslighting' in part.

I have listened to a few speakers about this. I believe in the suggested reasons we have this disproportionate response. Is it actually envy, jealousy and resentment towards the Jewish nation or concept of this group.

I've felt annoyed by a person I know from a Jewish family who are incredibly successful and wealthy and therefore the person I know receives many favours. I wonder if part of me has gone to that place where it's about being Jewish and in my mind ' advantaged '. ( Which isn't necessarily true. And it doesn't speak of how that success came about beyond being lucky.)

I've said before - I watched the Nova Festival documentary and immediately observed these young innocent beings with envy. I received them instantly as privileged and having advantage. I don't know where this undercurrent comes from. I have not been exposed to any negative messages I'm consciously aware of. My view has changed significantly and I challenge it all at this point.

So I believe this undercurrent could be significant across our western society, the liberal kind types included, and it's insidious.

For those following the fundamentals of Islam,I believe it's much worse than envy or resentment. I need to spend more time understanding how Jewish people or Judaism is reflected in the Qur'an.

This feeds into much of this entire conflict imo.

I don't understand enough about the larger political and underhand things that Governments, including ours, will do. I know that motives will often be questionable.

@MidnightGloria I feel the same. I had no idea. Most here have no idea. People don't consciously look at what they do and subconscious messages they ignore in their own brains. That's the ones who may be coming from a better ' bekind' place before I even consider the darker intent.

I didn't know about the yellow ribbon? Says it all really.

I'm incredibly outspoken on here. Yet, would you believe even I'm a little bit scared to wear a representation seen as anything counter to Pro P bullshit. It's not right. And yes, that part of my fear might be incredibly irrational based on where I live ( rural area).

I see this kind of thing all the time. Where they say "he was just criticising Israel" but when you look he was actually doing blood libel or going on about Israel lobbies. I think they know they're lying, but they can't very well be honest.

Also this thing with "far right" was also in tge reans movement. Like if a woman said something like she didn't think it was fair fir biological men to compete in women's sports categories she was called far right.

Ashamed to say I am too. I have broached the topic with friends, but I would not wear a hostage pin around outside for fear of being assaulted.

From my experience at the protests, the vast majority people protesting in London right now are doing it because of what they’re seeing in Gaza. They’re watching videos of entire families killed, hospitals bombed, aid convoys blocked, kids pulled out of rubble.

Whether or not it meets the legal definition of genocide is still being debated. But what’s clear is that serious war crimes are happening. Thats undeniable. The International Court of Justice has said it’s plausible genocide could be taking place and ordered Israel to stop any possible genocidal acts and to let humanitarian aid in. The World Health Organization says Gaza’s health system has been systematically dismantled. The Channel 4 documentary showed how healthcare workers and their families are specifically targetted and held without charge, in terrible conditions, that amount to torture in some cases. Human Rights Watch says Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war. Over 38,000 people have been killed. Most of them women and children, and that’s just the confirmed number. We still don’t know how many more will die from hunger, lack of medicine, and long term injuries.

Some of the anger comes from the words of Israeli leaders themselves. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said early on “we are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” Netanyahu compared the war to the biblical story of Amalek, group that God commanded to be wiped out entirely. Other ministers have gone even further. Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was “one possibility.” Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said “there are no innocents in Gaza.” These aren’t fringe figures, these are people at the highest levels of power. And for many watching that sounds like incitement.

UN experts like Francesca Albanese say there are reasonable grounds to believe genocide might be happening. So even if the word genocide isn’t confirmed yet, what people see looks like mass killing and collective punishment. And they’re protesting that.

Yes, there are probably some bad actors at protests, and i can well imagine that the general levels of anyisemitism in the population are increasing, because of the actions of the Israeli government. That exists and it has to be condemned clearly.

But the majority of people on the streets are not there because they hate Jews. They’re there because they believe what’s happening to Palestinians is wrong. They’re calling for a ceasefire and accountability, and an end to the suffering.