Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

You lost me at “white middle
class annoying idiots” I am afraid.

I'm very open and willing to be re educated at any time.

I have absolutely no other words for this. My malleability is evident. So I'm open and listening.

I believe it's happening,I believe you.

I still can't for the life of me understand what these hundreds maybe thousands of pinheads on our streets protesting are thinking. When presented with the question, why this particular problem? Why not protest regards the significantly larger number of deaths in other places like Syria and Yemen? Never an answer.

Anyone I ever see quizzed cannot answer basic questions. I'm still confused. Are all these people actually Anti Semitic and why?

I question how dangerous it is to have so many brain deads on the bandwagon protesting in major cities and singing along at music festivals to very concerning chants.

Maybe it means nothing and will have little if any influence. I can't answer that question.

Keep speaking out Joy. We might be outnumbered but we won't be silenced x

Re. the crowd sizes, I assume it’s due to our government expressing support for the Israeli government’s actions - the pro-Palestine protests draw big crowds as they have something to march against (whereas you don’t tend to march for something you’re for). It also makes sense that there would be larger opposition to the side responsible for the most destruction.

1100+ Israelis were killed during the attacks of Oct 2023, with 3000+ wounded and 200+ taken captive.

In response, at least 58000+ Palestinians have been killed, with 130000+ wounded and, as of last year, there were around 9000+ held captive (some from before Oct 2023). There were also thousands killed and injured in the decades prior to 2023.

This isn’t to say the deaths on one side are more tragic than on the other - one death is too many, every life lost has been a complete tragedy and a waste of potential. I pray peace is on the horizon.

I have am issue with the same language being used for the casualties on both sides.

The Israelis were murdered in cold blood. By evil beasts who shot them at close range and rejoiced in their deaths.

Conversely, the innocent Palestinians died as collateral damage in a war that was started by their own government, and which is incidentally responsible for its continuance. It's within the hands of the Palestinian government to stop the war and the killings, by returning the hostages and surrendering.

This just doesn't stack up.

These "protests" started almost immediately, perhaps even before Israel had reacted at at all

They never mention the Jewish victims or hostages, and in fact get angered if they're mentioned

They chant intifada, river to sea or d to the IDF- which are calls of violence not peace

The protests did start before Israel reacted. A request for one was submitted to the Met on
or just after 7 October.

You are undoubtedly right about the Israeli victims - there have also been many Palestinian victims murdered in cold blood, by evil beasts who shot them at close range and rejoiced in their deaths, even before the events of Oct 2023.

Shooting babies with sniper rifles isn’t collateral damage.
The language does indeed need to change.

These protests have been going on for decades as the Israeli government expanded their presence in Palestinian territories, displaced families, flattened neighbourhoods etc. - protesters could probably foresee the horror that was about to unfold as a result of the tragic Oct 7 attack and that our government would be in full support, hence the quick arrangement of protests against that.

I’m sorry that you feel the Jewish victims are overlooked - their loss is devastating too.

Can you actually imagine the thought process. You hear about the 7 October attack. A horrific terrorist attack on elderly peace campaigners & families on kibbutzim and young people at a music festival. Terrifying Mayhem and carnage, torture, murder, followed by kidnapping and hostake taking. The largest attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust. Some of us were open mouthed at the horror of it for several days. Yet some people thought they would organise a march in solidarity with the people perpetrating the attack. While Israel was still reeling from shock and had not responded.

No I am not.
I am saying that I would not knowingly mix with anyone, whatever their religion who felt that Israels actions in Gaza were ok.
I would feel the same about anyone who thought that October 7th was ok too.

What does your idea of peace look like? If you answer, I'm sure you will be talking on behalf of all westerners, who march for peace. Shall I be pre-emptive and negate your idea of the two-state solution. Palestinian leaders don't want partition; they want the end of Jews. The march to end genocide is doing nothing but distracting from the impact of the biggest genocide in history, that lives on today. Comparing what is happening in Gaza to the holocaust is not only nonsensical but it is victim blaming. Jews aren't responsible for Israel's response to 7/10 but they are still held accountable. The west's useful idiots won't ever see this.

Yep, the immediate rush to protest in favour of the Palestinians before any IDF attack on Gaza spoke absolute volumes.

Tearing down posters of people being held captive (away from the IRC, in appalling conditions that we know many of them have not survived) within the week...

Also, to liken the conditions in which Israeli (and Thai) hostages are or were held to internment by Israel is outrageous. No one is saying bad stuff never happens in Israeli prisons, but those held are not kept in dark tunnels and half-starved. Remind me again who treated Sinwar's cancer...

That's appalling indeed - I am sorry. Judging by the other current thread, Asian people are as much subject to racism and victim-blaming. Disgusting all around.

@brieandcrackers thanks for the post with the info. I do still question the intent, and the reality of each position. When Israel counter attacked, how and why for example. ( I believe that depraved people can operate in any group, including individuals within the IDF. ) Have they been trained from birth under an ideology in particular ways that underpin what's happening the other side? I don't believe so. And what does that mean. I may be misinformed and bias due to my dislike of the fundamentals of the Islam religion. I accept this will feed bias of mine.

If an individual has a connection to the region, I have some understanding. I want to see more interviews of protesting pinheads and celebrities; I've seen enough to shake my head. I want them to answer the questions they never can.

I've seen large scale celebration videos in reaction to Oct 7th. In the region. This looked way more than a faction of Hamas. We have immediate protests right after Oct 7 across institutions here. Why? This is telling me something else. What is this specifically telling me?

I feel that information received and processed is selective across our Western society. ( I have to counter myself doing this too. )

I believe that a huge proportion are ignoring and are devoid of knowledge and awareness and when questioned this will become apparent very quickly.

I can't quantify how dangerous this is. I watched the Glastonbury crowd. The lady in the sunflower hat singing along. I thought wow, you don't understand what you're doing do you. Scary.

I know that I have wholly opposing perspectives to some of my friends. And I realise they don't have facts. I certainly don't have enough. I have an interest and explore however.

I can't have discussion or debate on particular elements. I try not to say ' I'm on this side '. Instead, I say, well look at this over here. And what's this about? Many people don't understand.

If you interview protestors and ask them,I'd bet they'll fall apart in under 1 minute on the validity of their perspective.

I'm shocked to think people hate the Jews even sub consciously. I'm interested in where it comes from. I'm believing it now. Don't they teach the Holocaust anymore.

I just don’t any person to live like that, it depresses me so much that you can’t just live in peace. I genuinely believe that if it was predominantly white far right thugs targeting Jewish people then there would be a lot more concern about it. I have a horrible suspicion that when the bigotry comes from other minorities or the left it’s glossed over.

I see alot of these posts but not much acknowledgement that Israel retaliated almost immediately.
The first sirens sounded at 6.30 and by 10.47 the Israeli air forces had began their attack on Gaza. Oct 8th was one of the deadliest days in Gaza since many years.

You could still argue why you don't think it was correct to protest immediately but not that many people started protesting before Israel's response.

The Holocaust is taught in schools, my own DC visited the local memorial centre and a survivor came to their school to speak to them. We also visited Dachau.
As I keep saying I condemn ANYONE who thinks Genocide is ok (even if they call it something else). Religion is used by people to justify a lot of things and I don't believe that the disgusting way the Israeli Govt and The IDF are behaving right now has anything to do with them being Jewish so why would I be anti semitic?

As I said in my post the request for a protest was put in immediately. Why on earth would Israel not respond? Any country on earth would respond. If it had happened here I am sure you would expect our government to respond. Absolutely noone could argue that the initial response was disproportionate.

The celebrations were also immediate.

Yes . The protests I have seen in London ( and I’ve seen many) are completely one sided. I’ve never seen a poster calling for the release of hostages.
A protester who held a poster criticising Hamas was attacked and needed police protection.

But why were people so quick to march and so determined to avoid any reference to October 7th or the hostages on their march? It was shocking

Because you are using the word "genocide" to describe something that is not a genocide, and doing so suggests utter indifference to the fate of Israel (and the Jewish people more widely), who actually ARE facing the immediate threat of genocide from very powerful neighbours who have clearly expressed their intent.

Call it a tragic and horrible war, by all means, but the minute you start using terms like "genocide" it's like you saying "OK then, I'll admit the slag was raped."