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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-semitism in the UK

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Lolapusht · 13/07/2025 11:02

Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

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Gwenhwyfar · 13/07/2025 19:39

thepurcellsisters · 13/07/2025 11:24

It's horrific.

Antisemitism in the UK is being excused by so many people because 'look at the bad things those other Jews in another country are doing'.

Even IF what was happening in Gaza was a genocide that would be no excuse for attacking Jews (Israelis or otherwise) elsewhere.

For really attacking Jews, no, it wouldn't. I condemn anti-Semitism and all racism.

However, the IHRA considers any criticism of Israel or if Zionism as anti-Semitism and that is not right
That's why I'm sceptical of any accusation of anti-Semitism unless I have seen the details.

User37482 · 13/07/2025 19:39

Hoppinggreen · 13/07/2025 19:29

I have no doubt that there is anti semitism in The Uk and its completely unacceptable.
However, objecting to The genocide in Gaza is NOT anti semitism.

Did you read anything on this page.

  1. I have lost all of my non-muslim friends due to my support of Palestine
  2. I have lost my main work contract as a freelancer because I’m muslim
  3. My toddler and husband were heckled off a bus to yells of “muslim muslim muslim” and spat on.
  4. I didn’t attend my PhD graduation because the Dean couldn’t assure my safety. As it happened, the ceremony broke out into an anti-islam rally.
  5. I’m considering taking my hijab off.
  6. I have been doxxed and cyberstalked, and someone contacted my publisher to advise them not to publish my book.
  7. Almost every week I report offensive stickers and posters to the police and tell mama
  8. Heightened security at my mosque and kids’ school.
  9. Someone seeing the crescent on our door and ringing the bell to ask our views on 7th October.

Invert that and tell me it isn’t just blatantly racist and should be unequivocally condemned by everyone. Holding british jews responsible for event thousands of miles away is racism. Just as holding british muslims responsible for events thousands of miles away would be islamaphobic.

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 19:41

Gwenhwyfar · 13/07/2025 19:39

For really attacking Jews, no, it wouldn't. I condemn anti-Semitism and all racism.

However, the IHRA considers any criticism of Israel or if Zionism as anti-Semitism and that is not right
That's why I'm sceptical of any accusation of anti-Semitism unless I have seen the details.

What do you mean by 'really' attacking? And No it does not. You clearly have not read it and understood it.

OpheliaWasntMad · 13/07/2025 19:41

PurpleChrayn · 13/07/2025 11:13

Thanks for this.

Before the naysayers come out, I’ll tell you how I as a British Jew have experienced life since October 7:

  1. I have lost all of my non-Jewish friends due to my support of Israel (my husband and children are Israeli and I am in the process of becoming so)
  2. I have lost my main work contract as a freelancer.
  3. My toddler and husband were heckled off a bus to yells of “JEW JEW JEW” and spat on.
  4. I didn’t attend my PhD graduation because the Dean couldn’t assure my safety. As it happened, the ceremony broke out into a pro-Hamas melee.
  5. I’m considering not putting a kippah on my son when he turns 3 next year.
  6. I have been doxxed and cyberstalked, and someone contacted my publisher to advise them not to publish my book.
  7. Almost every week I report offensive stickers and posters to the police and CST.
  8. Heightened security at my synagogue and kids’ school.
  9. Someone seeing the mezuzah on our door and ringing the bell to ask our views on Palestine.

There are probably more but those are the ones I can think of.

Meanwhile we are supporting our friend who’s twins were burned to death on a kibbutz, and mourning the loss of my husband’s cousin who died in combat.

I’m so sorry.

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 19:43

However, the IHRA considers any criticism of Israel or if Zionism as anti-Semitism

No it doesn't.

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:45

Gwenhwyfar · 13/07/2025 19:39

For really attacking Jews, no, it wouldn't. I condemn anti-Semitism and all racism.

However, the IHRA considers any criticism of Israel or if Zionism as anti-Semitism and that is not right
That's why I'm sceptical of any accusation of anti-Semitism unless I have seen the details.

This is a copy and paste of it, it doesn't say that at all.

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 19:47

Hoppinggreen · 13/07/2025 19:29

I have no doubt that there is anti semitism in The Uk and its completely unacceptable.
However, objecting to The genocide in Gaza is NOT anti semitism.

Bingo!

Hoppinggreen · 13/07/2025 19:48

User37482 · 13/07/2025 19:39

Did you read anything on this page.

  1. I have lost all of my non-muslim friends due to my support of Palestine
  2. I have lost my main work contract as a freelancer because I’m muslim
  3. My toddler and husband were heckled off a bus to yells of “muslim muslim muslim” and spat on.
  4. I didn’t attend my PhD graduation because the Dean couldn’t assure my safety. As it happened, the ceremony broke out into an anti-islam rally.
  5. I’m considering taking my hijab off.
  6. I have been doxxed and cyberstalked, and someone contacted my publisher to advise them not to publish my book.
  7. Almost every week I report offensive stickers and posters to the police and tell mama
  8. Heightened security at my mosque and kids’ school.
  9. Someone seeing the crescent on our door and ringing the bell to ask our views on 7th October.

Invert that and tell me it isn’t just blatantly racist and should be unequivocally condemned by everyone. Holding british jews responsible for event thousands of miles away is racism. Just as holding british muslims responsible for events thousands of miles away would be islamaphobic.

I am very sorry all of that happened to you, its awful and completely unacceptable.
However, I am unsure as to how my post relates to that.

Comedycook · 13/07/2025 19:48

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 19:47

Bingo!

Eyes down for a full house

frockandcrocs · 13/07/2025 19:49

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We just got the full house!

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:51

My observation on the insidiousness of this isn't just that it's so obviously racist / bigoted in the highest order, but that those doing it are so convinced they have the moral highground. It must feel like being gaslit?

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 19:56

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:51

My observation on the insidiousness of this isn't just that it's so obviously racist / bigoted in the highest order, but that those doing it are so convinced they have the moral highground. It must feel like being gaslit?

If you were around at the time of 7 Oct you will recall the abusive, bullying, gaslighting, goading, gloating MN threads in the immediate aftermath. I was utterly gobsmacked.

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:57

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 19:56

If you were around at the time of 7 Oct you will recall the abusive, bullying, gaslighting, goading, gloating MN threads in the immediate aftermath. I was utterly gobsmacked.

I wasn't so I didn't see it. Seriously?

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 20:01

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:57

I wasn't so I didn't see it. Seriously?

A lot of denial of the events of 7/10, many deletions. Quite an eye opener.

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 20:02

Voxon · 13/07/2025 19:57

I wasn't so I didn't see it. Seriously?

I'm afraid so 😞

Once the conflict began, there were endless obnoxious threads, such as tittering over the incident where the Israeli hostages were accidentally shot by the IDF.

It continues now, but not quite on the same scale, I am not sure why. (I have visions of MN finally cottoning on to Hamas agents spamming the boards, but maybe that's me just being fanciful...?!)

Voxon · 13/07/2025 20:09

That's absolutely horrible. I thought this was a fringe thing, but I've seen some posts today that shocked me

OpheliaWasntMad · 13/07/2025 20:11

quantumbutterfly · 13/07/2025 20:01

A lot of denial of the events of 7/10, many deletions. Quite an eye opener.

Yes. It was shocking.
As was the tearing down of hostage posters ( including those with the faces of children and babies)
And the public celebrations of October 7th in parts of London - even while the horrific video evidence of Shani Louk’s poor broken body was being aired

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 20:11

Voxon · 13/07/2025 20:09

That's absolutely horrible. I thought this was a fringe thing, but I've seen some posts today that shocked me

Its not a fringe thing at all. It is completely mainstream. I was absolutely shocked by the reaction to 7 October. Really shaken to my core.

Beachtastic · 13/07/2025 20:18

SharonEllis · 13/07/2025 20:11

Its not a fringe thing at all. It is completely mainstream. I was absolutely shocked by the reaction to 7 October. Really shaken to my core.

Same. I have namechanged since then and recognise a few friendly faces here, but too many must have just dropped out in despair as for a long time MN was just an avalanche of vicious antisemitism. It's still in evidence, obviously, but for at least 18 months after 7 Oct this forum was a no-go area unless you were prepared to be reduced to tears by people's cruelty. To be honest, they seemed to take delight in it.

brieandcrackers · 13/07/2025 20:23

User37482 · 13/07/2025 19:39

Did you read anything on this page.

  1. I have lost all of my non-muslim friends due to my support of Palestine
  2. I have lost my main work contract as a freelancer because I’m muslim
  3. My toddler and husband were heckled off a bus to yells of “muslim muslim muslim” and spat on.
  4. I didn’t attend my PhD graduation because the Dean couldn’t assure my safety. As it happened, the ceremony broke out into an anti-islam rally.
  5. I’m considering taking my hijab off.
  6. I have been doxxed and cyberstalked, and someone contacted my publisher to advise them not to publish my book.
  7. Almost every week I report offensive stickers and posters to the police and tell mama
  8. Heightened security at my mosque and kids’ school.
  9. Someone seeing the crescent on our door and ringing the bell to ask our views on 7th October.

Invert that and tell me it isn’t just blatantly racist and should be unequivocally condemned by everyone. Holding british jews responsible for event thousands of miles away is racism. Just as holding british muslims responsible for events thousands of miles away would be islamaphobic.

Did you misread their post? They agreed that antisemitism is present in the UK and completely unacceptable.

PP’s accounts of antisemitic behaviour are absolutely horrific and I hope and pray for a kinder society every day (especially for their poor child’s generation).

Please know that the vast majority of those protesting against Israel’s occupation of Palestine are criticising the Israeli government and their barbaric actions, not the general population of Israel or the Jewish community. As with any political movement there are unfortunately some nasties acting on their own prejudices, and I hope the police act on the reports.

LipstickLessons · 13/07/2025 20:23

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User37482 · 13/07/2025 20:36

brieandcrackers · 13/07/2025 20:23

Did you misread their post? They agreed that antisemitism is present in the UK and completely unacceptable.

PP’s accounts of antisemitic behaviour are absolutely horrific and I hope and pray for a kinder society every day (especially for their poor child’s generation).

Please know that the vast majority of those protesting against Israel’s occupation of Palestine are criticising the Israeli government and their barbaric actions, not the general population of Israel or the Jewish community. As with any political movement there are unfortunately some nasties acting on their own prejudices, and I hope the police act on the reports.

Ok how about this
The poster was fundamentally saying that the hostile environment created for Jews is fine because it’s actually about Israel not Jews. While Jews are saying no, we are being targeted for being Jewish and it’s getting more overt and more threatening.

i’m not Jewish shit feels pretty anti-semitic to me. I have however experienced racism and the way people brush this off is chilling to me.

Voxon · 13/07/2025 20:36

brieandcrackers · 13/07/2025 20:23

Did you misread their post? They agreed that antisemitism is present in the UK and completely unacceptable.

PP’s accounts of antisemitic behaviour are absolutely horrific and I hope and pray for a kinder society every day (especially for their poor child’s generation).

Please know that the vast majority of those protesting against Israel’s occupation of Palestine are criticising the Israeli government and their barbaric actions, not the general population of Israel or the Jewish community. As with any political movement there are unfortunately some nasties acting on their own prejudices, and I hope the police act on the reports.

Can I ask why they don't stand up against this then? I have seen these protests and they're full of antisemitism so why do you keep going?

OpheliaWasntMad · 13/07/2025 20:39

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When you say “ Loads of pro Palestinian people have lost contracts etc because of their views.” Do you mean they lost contracts simply because they were pro Palestinian …. OR because they expressed support for terrorism?
I find it difficult to believe pro Palestinians have experienced prejudice at work etc because they seem to be (by far )the more vocal majority..